Talk:2008 Guinean coup d'état

Attempted coup

Most sources speak of an attempted coup and veriafiable information speaks of the Prime Minister and constitutional government still in power, with the Chief of the Armed forces not siding with the coup. The situation is fluid, but the overwhelming view of the sources is that this is an attempt. We will probably need to change the title if so. Thanks! --Cerejota (talk) 03:41, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Initial reports indicated that it was simply a coup, not a coup attempt, thus the title. Since the situation turned out to be somewhat ambiguous, "coup attempt" might be a better title, but as of right now the coup appears to have succeeded, and we could just wait a short while for further information to clarify it one way or another. I'd hate to change it one way, then have to change it back again. Everyking (talk) 08:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but it had to be said... Lets give it another 12 or so hours? Thanks! --Cerejota (talk) 13:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, since the Prime Minister has turned himself over to the putschists, and declared they are in power, it is safe to delete this section. JoshNarins (talk) 19:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Even more so the person was a dictator. The quote make it appear as if military seized power in a democratic state. --84.129.83.70 (talk) 16:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Right, I think "dictator" is strongly put, but reading through Lansana Conté does not inspire me to think that the government was particularly democratic. In fact, it seems like a military person seized power, and retained that power. The last few elections were apparently considered flawed by both opposition and international observers, so it seems to me that we are seeing the transition of one military government to another... if not, the article on Conté and/or this one should be updated to clarify that matter. I don't pretend I know enough about the subject to do that, but as it stands the articles seem contradictory to me. Gijs Kruitbosch (talk) 19:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Too true. The "Constitution" that the UN, US, AU, ECOWAS and Canada support is a document approved by referendum in 1990, but drafted by the Conte government.  When Conte was having difficulty getting his hand-picked successor installed in the Constitutionally mandated after-I'm-dead-he-takes-over position, Conte refused to let Parliament meet. JoshNarins (talk) 23:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Will an admin semi-protect this article? For some reason we're getting a flood of vandalism. Everyking (talk) 08:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

konate = coupleader?

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2008/12/25/2003431992 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sven70 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Camara = coupleader? http://voanews.com/english/2008-12-25-voa1.cfm We need some clarification. 70.239.12.70 (talk) 03:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

That is discussed in the article. Both were obviously key figures in the coup, and both were apparently candidates to lead the CNDD after the coup, but Camara was the one chosen. I don't think we can say which of them, if either, should be characterized as the "coup leader". Everyking (talk) 06:27, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

LURD

For a long time, even after LURD split into LURD and MODEL, Conte helped fund the rebels in Liberia who fought Charles Taylor. Now, Chuck was a very bad person, but that doesn't make Conte a saint for funding his opposition (i.e. LURD was accused of many human rights abuses). When anyone learns anything, can we find out if the Camara gov't has/had any connections to LURD? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshNarins (talk • contribs) 23:50, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

names

Looking through the list of names it occured to me some 10 out of 26 proposed counsel members are named camara. I would rather be sure it is not the kind of nepotism it suggests, then look at the results after guinean policys became dominated by otherways unclear intends. So if anyone can clear that up? for reference , camare might be a regional (northern) name, and the current counsel immediatly stated it would be ethnically divers, sth. obviously needed and little shown when remarkable numers of ppl in a counsel share one surname. 24.132.170.97 (talk) 01:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if it is a regional name or not, but it is very common in Guinea. The Conte-era Army Chief of Staff was a Camara, one of the Guinean national soccer team is a Camara, at least two political prisoners during the Conte regime were Camara, and there is a city in Guinea-Bissau named Camara. There are speakers of Malinke, Soussou and Fulani who are named Camara. However, that doesn't mean that most of the 26 aren't Malinke. JoshNarins (talk) 11:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

souare vs sompare?

I see these two used in what appears to be an interchangeable manner. are they both the same person? --71.112.16.145 (talk) 01:33, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

They're different people—respectively, Prime Minister and President of the National Assembly. Everyking (talk) 06:28, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Move!

Please move this article to Guinean coup d’état. Queryzo (talk) 10:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

But there was another coup in 1984...the year is necessary to disambiguate. Everyking (talk) 17:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

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