Talk:2011 Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly election

number of seats

DMK front number adds up to 236 seats as it stands now. guess something is not right. --CarTick (talk) 15:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam – 119, Indian National Congress – 63, Pattali Makkal Katchi – 30, Viduthalai Chiruthaigal Katchi – 10, Kongunadu Munnetra Kazhagam – 7, Indian Union Muslim League – 3, Moovendar Munnetra Kazhagam – 1 and Perunthalaivar Makkal Katchi-1. CarTick, this is the final tally. DMK has given back one constituency it took it from IUML for resolving INC seat sharing issue. But till now 119 of DMK is not yet officially announced. -(Ka.Thamarai 19:34, 16 March 2011 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathamarai (talk • contribs)

Constituencies

Each constituency is given a number by the election commission and I think that order should be followed because it is easy to classify constituencies based on districts, regions etc. http://elections.tn.nic.in/TNLA_map.htm

I dont know much editing in Wiki so I recommend reverting back to my original ordering which I have done earlier. Alphabetical ordering is really haphazard and doesnt give a true picture of the locality of constituencies (2006 election is ordered alphabetically - Please go through it - can anyone make any sense of who won where?). So i would suggest numbering it on the list and pasting the map on the side so that readers can better understand the pattern of parties and winners (I dont know how to revert back and to post pics - otherwise I would have done it. Now someone else have to do it). That would be really scientific.

And CPI has been allotted 10 seats in ADMK alliance and the list was released yesterday. I updated it but someone deleted it. Please post it back. Vadapalani (talk) 10:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vadapalani (talk • contribs) 10:20, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

your point taken. but none of the readers looking for their constituencies knows the number. in alphabetical order, it is easy to search. it is also in consistent with all the election articles but one. besides, in your version, none of the constituencies are wiki linked. i am going to revert it back. --CarTick (talk) 11:16, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

if you think the numbers are very important, please feel free to enter them. as a matter of fact, it doesnt matter because it is a sortable table. but, i would still like the default to be in alphabetical order as many of the readers might immediately not know how to sort. --CarTick (talk) 12:00, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. This version looks very good. Now it is easy to enter the data. Can you please add the constituency map? It would be very easy for people to follow and track. Vadapalani (talk) 15:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

good idea. but i dont know how to do this. let us see. --CarTick (talk) 18:07, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Constituencies and Candidates

This table will become more complex to edit atleast after in next few days (after nominations) expecting more (Popular/Unpopular) Independents may nominate so the columns may not sufficient. So better to split/create the table for each constituency or better moved to a new article. -- Mahir78 (talk) 18:43, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

as in previous election articles, it is best to have just five items in the table; 1) winner 2) party 3) runner-up 4) party 5) margin of votes. the new editors are hyper-enthusiastic and hopefully we can regain some order when they run out of steam. --CarTick (talk) 18:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

My request would be to make only minimal changes. There are currently 17 columns. I suggest we take out the candidates and votes polled for DMK+ and ADMK+. I beleive these 4 columns will be mostly redundant with the winner and runner up candidates and votes polled. So it would be down to 13 columns. Wikipedia is accessed by everyone right from people who are curious to people doing some research. These columns all give data which will be invaluable in the future. For example suppose someone 20 years from now wants to know what were the constituencies in each district and the number of the electorate in each constituency, he/she can use this table. Someone studying the voting pattern will have some data to start with. It can be used for comparative analysis if there is reorganization of constituencies at a later date. I agree we should be concise and reduce the redundancies, but it should also give as much information as possible. So please do not delete the data. If anything, we should try and expand the tables of previous elections and not the other way round. This article could be the template for future elections rather than 2006 election article. Anyway no detail has been entered in the 4 columns I mentioned (except a few entries in the ADMK+ contestant column) and no one would mind deleting those. It would also free up enough space. Vadapalani (talk) 14:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for all of you for your feedbacks. I presume CarTick’s “hyper-enthusiastic” is remarked on me. It is not being hyper-enthusiastic, I am just trying to carry over the information as much as possible to the future. Because the government records/ current news articles would not be that easily accessible/ traceable once it goes off the record. I face this problem whenever I try to study something that happened many years back. For example, I have a longtime personal project of making a complete table of our Union Cabinet from 1947 to date. But I am not able to get so many important details like who held which ministry, when the ministry was formed, what was the assumed office date of ministers and etc. Shockingly I am not able to even get some of our prime minister’s assumed office dates. Well they didn’t have enough technology those days and it was all recorded mostly in papers, so we can’t blame anybody for that. But in these days we have enough technology/ sources to record things that happen during our life time, so it may help somebody in the future who are curious and are really interested to know. Please tell me if I am wrong. And Vadapalani, I agree with you of removing the columns of leading front party’s candidate and consecutive vote. Because it would be mostly the same of in the winner and the runner-up candidate details as we all know. Many thanks for your suggestion. -(Ka.Thamarai 17:14, 17 March 2011 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathamarai (talk • contribs)

i am glad you guys are very interested. i agree with both of you on most of the points you have raised. why dont you create a new article 2011 Tamil Nadu legislative election results for a detailed analysis of results while providing a link from this main article. --CarTick (talk) 03:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Agree. We can do that after May 13 results. Vadapalani (talk) 13:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

just had a look at this. ta:2011 தமிழ்நாடு சட்டமன்றத் தேர்தல் முடிவுகள். looks like a good template. --CarTick (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

That is very nice. But why are the constituency numbers messed up? Anyway the template is very nice. I will contribute once the results are out. Another thing I have to notify is that the table is now not manipulative (that clickable arrow mark at the top of every column is not available - someone revert it back please). Vadapalani (talk) 20:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

CarTick, it’s a really very nice template. I would also like to contribute once the results are out. And I am seeing the “Constituencies and Candidates” table being changed front and back and up and down. I feel it should be rearranged once the election fever is out. Tell me what you guys think about it. Anyhow seeing all this on the side I keep my records fully updated, so it would be easy for us if we would want to rearrange the table. Kathamarai (talk) 08:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I am fine with anything as long as the data gets included in wiki. It doesnt matter if it is single of multiple articles. Infact I prefer cartick's idea of linking a detailed sub article to this main article. And I agree with both of you that we have to wait till the fever subsides before starting the stream lining process. Regards Vadapalani (talk) 14:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Why?

What is the need of 2G spectrum scandal here? Then it will become an article of campaigning. :( Please think about it. --Surya Prakash.S.A. (talk) 16:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I do feel the same way. Its not a election happening after premature dissolution of the assembly to mention inflation and 2G Scam as background. It is a normal scheduled election being held in time. The only background can be the assembly getting matured. It is better to remove these campaigning look alike parts from the article.--Ka.Thamarai 01:58, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

you have misunderstood the purpose of the background section. It should typically include major events and policies adopted by the incumbent government that will likely have an impact on the electoral bargaining, alliances and eventually the outcome. please feel free to include the "freebies" the government has been giving away in the past 5 years. that deserves inclusion too. --CarTick (talk) 03:52, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Leader Since in the Infobox

The term "Leader Since" in the in the Infobox mentions what? Since when he/she has been the president of that particular party? or since when under his/her leadership the elections were faced as an alliance/ party in the elections? --Kathamarai 18:03, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

good question. as the infobox deals mainly with the coalition, it should imply "leader since facing the election as a coalition". but, it can be confusing to readers. should we just remove it? it doesnt really seem to add a great deal of weightage to the infobox. --CarTick (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi CarTick, I am not at all talking about removing it. I just don't want that particular information to be a wrong one, that too in the INFOBOX. Everyone who knows very well about Dravidian/ Tamil Nadu Politics are well aware about the fact that M. Karunanidhi has become as the DMK Party President after the death of C.N. Annadurai died that is during 1969 and the party/ alliance under his leadership faced the elections during 1971. Then how he could possibly be the leader since February 10, 1967? That's what I am concerned about.
-- Kathamarai (talk) 18:41, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Sodabottle made the change. --CarTick (talk) 18:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for updating

Thanks for the election updates. it is very useful, You are making this election more high tech and information accessible to all. Wikipedia is the only page people can get neutral news.

Thanks IP. That is encouraging. --CarTick (talk) 04:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

linking candidates

wikipages for a lot of the candidates contesting this election do exist. a reasonably high traffic to this page indicates we might indeed benefit from this. please see this category for existing articles (Category:Tamil Nadu politicians) and provide links as much as possible. --CarTick (talk) 14:45, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

table

i would request anyone that has some time to remove all empty columns. all that we need before election results are announced are 1) constituency number 2) constituency 3) district 4) total electorate 5) DMK + party 6) DMK+ candidate 7) ADMK+ party 8) ADMK+ candidate 9) Other major candidate 10) his/her party/affiliation. this will make the table look nicer and easier for the readers. --CarTick (talk) 04:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Third front details and the Amazing visibility of this page in Internet - Cheers

Reg the columsn ...I had managed to close down the details and everyone have tried to close down the major 2 columns . I dont think anyone has urge to fill details of Third Front because of possible conflict between who might be the important candidate and might end up in confusion . So we have to leave this empty except for significant names . Probably SRM chancellor IJK leader , Armstrong from Kolathur (BSP ) , Sivakami I.A.S etc . John pandian and all possible BJP ( BJP except for Pon Radhakrishan i updated a few ) . So lets wait for EC results till we update the remaining column . Also Translating from tamil to english has been taking time ... :) . This page is improving and in a very nice place . Gr8 initiative Cartick . It has crossed 20000 views in just 2 months and most views over last 10-15 days . I have checked all the english sites no english news or blog site has the candidate detail and the 3rd front lists and smaller association on neutral . Few political leaders who i asked them to check are of gr8 praise of the work we do . Cheers again ... --Rajkumarth (talk) 1984!#$ 18:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

sounds good. i am glad we have many interested editors around. you sound like a "well connected" guy. --CarTick (talk) 18:30, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi sir , there are lot of connections but they dont know what wikipedia is :). But there are lot coming up now who are aware of this . a few statistics from one of my friend in a NGO . Interesting to see ...According to census there were only 60000 graduates in Madurai district in 2001 now it could be 60% of the whole district population ...thanks to colleges everywhere :) . So atleast 40% might read going forward and more important 20-30% of them will be interested to vote . In facebook itself u can see a lot of comments where guys are planning to vote more than before also lot of impact from vijay fans as well going to vote . Everyone is waiting for the results , i know this site ur brain child is gonna hit more times than before :) ... Please feel free if u want to revert something we add , we all are new .. Thank you !--Rajkumarth (talk) 1984!#$ 20:41, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

the statistics is fantastic and your enthusiasm just elevated my mood. i dont think highly about creating this article and you will understand why as will spend more time in wikipedia. but i do appreciate your kind words. --CarTick (talk) 21:59, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

AIADMK+/ Electoral Symbols

Hi all, any reason for changing the electoral symbols of AIADMK+ parties? - Kathamarai (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Puratchi Bharatham or Puthiya Bharatham?

Hello everyone, what is the party official name Puratchi Bharatham or Puthiya Bharatham?
I feel it would confuse the readers a bit, because in some places it is referred as Puratchi Bharatham and in some others as Puthiya Bharatham.
— Kathamarai (talk) 12:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

i think it is Puratchi Bharatham see here. please go ahead and correct it. --CarTick (talk) 14:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

some links to consider

[1][2]Lihaas (talk) 15:34, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

election map

Hey guys, since results will be up in a few weeks, I was wondering if we can come into consensus on how we want our results table. If you guys have not visited the Lok sabha pages in Tamil Nadu, I have published maps for 1991, 1996, 1998, and 1999 elections. Due to the difficult of finding free images of constituency election maps, I decided to have a map that summarizes the results by districts. If you guys have a better idea of presenting the information let me know. In order to make the colors uniform, I was wondering if we can have a template table below, so it can correlate with the colors on the map. I was thinking of making a two maps, one that summarizes alliance wise results and the other that summarizes party wise results. I am still debating whether to do party wise summary, since we have so many coalition partners, its going to be difficult to make it somehow work where I can summarize all of their seats. What do you guys think?--Nader85021 (talk) 01:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Alliance/Party	Seats won	Change	Popular Vote	Vote %	Swing
DMK+ alliance
DMK
INC
PMK
VCK
AIADMK+ alliance
AIADMK
DMDK
CPI(M)
CPI

Good one Nader. Go ahead. I think this is a very good template.Vadapalani (talk) 13:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Nader, actually there is a map published in the website of CEO – Tamil Nadu. I am not sure whether we can use that or not due to the copyright issues. Even I was trying to derive a map out of that having the borders of Legislative Assembly Constituencies, Parliament Constituencies and Districts. But I have dropped doing that, since I am not very familiar with vector image editing. It would be very helpful if someone does that who knows to do that very well. I wanted something exactly like this [3]. In this we can highlight colours as you have mentioned above and for the Parliament Elections also we can do the same thing with the same map. And having two maps as you have mentioned would be good.

And I want our constituency pages to appear like this [4] with maps, boundaries and etc.

And to everyone, lets get distinguished ourselves between Electoral Coalition and Ruling Coalition. Lets not mix the seats won in the election and the party/ alliance strength in the legislative assembly here in this page. I feel this page should only reflect the election and its subsequent result nothing more that happens after the election. For example if a legislative member joins to an another party after winning the election from a different party or a party joins with an another party/ alliance to form the government after facing the election with a different party/ alliance should not be reflected in this page. I feel that should be reflected under the alliance/ party strength in Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly Article. Please let me know what you all feel about it.
- Kathamarai (talk) 13:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Kathamarai, I believe that since Indian copyright is different from US copyright, the map from CEO website, would not be considered as a free image. Doing a vector image editing on 234 constituencies is very hard, so the only option is to find a free image for constituencies. I am sure that newspaper agencies will publish map results based on constituencies, and we can have an external link for that. But I don't think there are any maps that summarize the results by districts, which might be easier to interpret than to look at a 234 constituency map. So I have published a map for the 2006 election and that is how I am planning to make the map for this election. The only difference would be I would use a 32 district map rather than the 30 district map. I am going to edit the 2006 election page in terms of results formatting to this election. If you guys feel that you guys want to reformat certain things, feel free. Also if you guys see any errors or mistakes in the map, let me know so I can fix it.--Nader85021 (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

post poll Natkeeran

Nader, i see why you removed the poll. but, just thinking about it in a different way, i feel that these partisan pollsters will see themselves exposed once the results are out in a couple of days and wikipedia sort of facilitates it by having both the information in one place. it also helps the readers form their own opinion about which pollsters to believe in the future. --CarTick (talk) 02:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

partisan affiliation shoudnt exclude a pollster from being presented here. Nakkeeran (despite their pro-dmk bias) have been consistently accurate in their predictions since 1999. They have a good track record. They are like the rasmussen of Tamil Nadu. They too should be included (we have the headlines today poll included, which has the worst reputation among english newsmedia in india , so no harm done in adding natkeeran)--Sodabottle (talk) 03:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

good to know this information about Natkeeran. of the 6 polls in the article now, 3 each predict DMK and ADMK. it is bizarre that the polls are this variable, the methodologies must be very different. --CarTick (talk) 04:23, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

didn't know they have been accurate since 1999. Thanks for pointing that out.--Nader85021 (talk) 06:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Cartick, in terms of post poll being all over the place, cnn-ibn published a comparison with Headlines today, they are completely different in assam, kerala and tamil nadu. Either Sodabotle is right, headlines today just has a poor methodology, or post polls are just more inaccurate than exit polls (maybe due to the fact that people regretted voting for someone or lie to the pollsters more at home as opposed to after the polls?). I guess we will find out after the results are out.--Nader85021 (talk) 06:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Cartick, i think the polls are allover the place because of the increased turnout. The usual polling model which assigns weightage for various demographics (rural women, urban men, 18+, mgr voters, x caste voters) and which is used to predict wins constituency wise, goes out of whack whenever there is an uptick in polling percentage. They cant figure out exactly who else have voted this time and so end up with different results. And in TN, where a 4% swing means the difference between a landslide and wipeout, the pollsters should be guessing in the dark :-). --Sodabottle (talk) 07:39, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

all the polls are wrong. whoever will care about these so-called polls anymore. --CarTick (talk) 16:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

the interesting thing is polls underestimated the victory of the winning alliance in both the general election in 2009 and state elections this year. Out of all of them CNN-IBN seemed to be the most accurate, since they predicted a close election in Kerala, and a Congress victory in Assam. Also in the 2006 assembly election and 2009 lok sabha election in Tamil Nadu, CNN-IBN was spot on in terms of predicting the number of seats. So far, they seem to be the only reputable ones.--Nader85021 (talk) 23:24, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

update

guys, please dont clutter the article with too much information. when the results are out, we should just have the following information in the table. Constituency, district, total electorate, votes polled, Winner, Party, Runner-up, Party and Margin. All other details can go to the 2011 Tamil Nadu legislative assembly election results. we should also try to keep pace with the release of the results. On the day of election, the article was viewed over 5,000 times and i am expecting the same or more tomorrow. please discuss here first. --CarTick (talk) 12:51, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Also keep leads out till finalised (NewsX is good at confirming vs. speculating)

As for the result table, it should be lis t most election articles where the details can go on another apge and the base result by partty (and notable people perhaps) can be mentioned here. Dont need Constituency, district, Runner-upLihaas (talk) 19:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

page view

130,000 views guys. --CarTick (talk) 00:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Really surprising, especially considering its an english article. We more than doubled the 2009 general election on election day. 61,600 views. Either more people were interested in this election or our article was just that good.--Nader85021 (talk) 04:25, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

interesting considering that it is Indian general election. it could also be because of increased internet usage in Tamil Nadu in the last two years. look at this - over 5,000 views for kerala and over 10,000 views for WB article. the Tamil wiki article got only 3000 views though. dont know what to make of all these.--CarTick (talk) 04:32, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

We also have a complete electoral history of Tamil Nadu elections from 1920. There is not a single website that comprehensively publishes all that information in one website. Looking at the views for the other Tamil nadu election pages (2006 and before), they have jumped up between 1000-2000 views. Once we get all the elections published for all the states, I wouldn't be surprised if Wikipedia becomes a major source for individuals to getting up to date information for all upcoming elections.--Nader85021 (talk) 04:48, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

agree. it is really gratifying. the article has a lot of information, but it will take a lot more effort to make it read encyclopedic. we might also need some copyediting help at some point. --CarTick (talk) 04:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Alliance

Please include INL and NTI in the AIADMK alliance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.96.78.96 (talk) 11:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

help

can someone please fix this table. the extra column on the right. i cant make it disappear. --CarTick (talk) 04:23, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Fixed it. The Harbour constituency row was the culprit, there was an extra "||" after the margin number.--Nader85021 (talk) 05:32, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

oh. good. thanks. --CarTick (talk) 12:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

ADMK or AIADMK

i just dont like AIADMK. it may be the official name, but not the common name. on top of it, it is not at all an all indian party. i think we should stick to ADMK for consistency. --CarTick (talk) 05:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Many news organizations (especially national media) call them AIADMK. Technically it doesnt matter if its ADMK or AIADMK. It might be better if we stick to the official name. So earliest usage of AIADMK that I can find is back in 1984, Sydney Morning Herald. I am guessing ever since ADMK started playing a major role in the formation of the central gov't they added the All India in front of their name.--Nader85021 (talk) 20:27, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Previous year on Infobox

Why is the previous year on the infobox listed as "2006 election" rather than 2006. Isn't it implied that it is the previous election. Besides almost all election pages using the infobox has the year and not the word election after it.--Nader85021 (talk) 01:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

i wanted to draw the attention of unfamiliar readers to previous election articles during this election cycle. pls feel free to change it. --CarTick (talk) 01:58, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Congress' worst performance?

This election saw Congress' worst performance in Tamil Nadu, bagging only 5 seats out of 63 seats it contested. Is this right? Wouldn't the 1996 figure be the worst? I am aware that at that time the Congress party in the state had a breakaway lead by Moopanar, but equating them both would be the same as considering Trinamool Congress as part and parcel of INC, isn't it? Of course I might be wrong. --Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 07:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

yes, 1996 would be its worst performance. The line ought to be modified to "one of the worst performances"--Sodabottle (talk) 08:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

thanks guys; please keep criticising. I havent gotten to the bottom of the article yet; wanna add more analysis in the coming days. i find reaction by other politicians sort of shallow and unsubstantial — I dont really like it. --CarTick (talk) 11:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

its better to say one of the worst. When I wrote that, I felt that even though TMC was a breakaway party, it was basically Tamil Nadu Congress unit, so most congress supporters voted for TMC. I still feel this is the worst performance by congress, since it was a united congress and they still only won 5 seats. But that is more of my opinion rather than fact. Thanks for correcting that portion.--Nader85021 (talk) 22:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

GA

guys, i wanna try this for GA status. please provide us with some critiques and also please feel free to work the grammer and language. --CarTick (talk) 12:08, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

graph

it is a great idea; but very confusing. the best, in my opinion, would be to plot the total number of seats won by the ADMK coalition along with the highest predicted by all polls; we can give different colors to the ones that predicted DMK victory. --CarTick (talk) 05:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I had difficulty trying to find the best way to present the polls as a graph. I will try to get a plot soon enough where it compares the seats of polls to final results.--Nader85021 (talk) 06:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay updated the graph. I felt that margin of victory is better than just having # of seats won by ADMK. This should be less confusing, and I added final results as comparison.--Nader85021 (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

much less ambiguous, and very informative. good job and thanks. --CarTick (talk) 02:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

2011 Tamil Nadu legislative assembly election results

This article is too long. Instead I think its better to move the results to individual constituency pages. So whoever was planning on working on this page might find this link helpful [5].--Nader85021 (talk) 07:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

i was not not keen on this page at all. User:Kathamarai was very enthusiastic about it and i believe he is not around these days much. i am hoping we will be able to convey our concerns to him as and when he appears again. --CarTick (talk) 11:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

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