Talk:2012 ICT Skype controversy

Move to 2012 ICT Skype scandal

I think calling it a "controversy" is more POV than "scandal". There are articles from different sources which describe it as a scandal, such as The Daily Star [1], BBC [2] and The Independent (BD) [3]. Calling this a "controversy" is euphemistic language which skews the POV towards seeing the affair especially mildly. Applesandapples (talk) 00:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:POVTITLE & WP:NPOV controversycontroversy controversy controversy Note the BBC has scandal in scare quotes.Darkness Shines (talk) 00:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Controversy is a less strong word than scandal. The presence of the word "controversy" does not exclude it from being a scandal. Indeed, one of the articles you link is from the Daily Star, which I have already shown to describe the incident as a "scandal". I think, if newspapers say it is both a "controversy" and a "scandal", then the stronger word takes precedence. To be honest, I just think that it is common sense to call this a scandal. The judge, prosecution and government were all discovered to be colluding and several newspapers describe it as a scandal. It feels a bit disparate and Orwellian to read the article and see it described as a "controversy". Applesandapples (talk) 00:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

No, the Economist is of the opinion they were colluding, there is no proof that this is a fact. You have the right to request a move, follow the instructions here Darkness Shines (talk) 00:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 20:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

2012 ICT Skype controversy → 2012 ICT Skype scandal – I think calling it a "controversy" is POV. There are articles from different sources which describe it as a scandal, such as The Daily Star [4], BBC [5], Bangla News 24 [6] and The Independent (BD) [7]. Calling this a "controversy" is euphemistic language which skews the POV towards seeing the affair especially mildly. Applesandapples (talk) 00:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:POVTITLE & WP:NPOV controversycontroversy controversy controversy Note the BBC has scandal in scare quotes. copied from discussion above Darkness Shines (talk) 00:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Controversy is a less strong word than scandal. The presence of the word "controversy" does not exclude it from being a scandal. Indeed, one of the articles you link is from the Daily Star, which I have already shown to describe the incident as a "scandal". I think, if newspapers say it is both a "controversy" and a "scandal", then the stronger word takes precedence. To be honest, I just think that it is common sense to call this a scandal. The judge, prosecution and government were all discovered to be colluding by The Economist, one of the most reliable sources it is possible to have on this topic, and several other newspapers describe it as a scandal. It feels a bit disparate and Orwellian to read the article and see it described as a "controversy".Applesandapples (talk) 00:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

The economist has suggested there may have been collusion from what I have read, do they actually outright say that? Darkness Shines (talk) 11:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Personally, I prefer "2013 Skypegate scandal" as a title, but I agree with A&A and can live with "2013 ICT scandal" as a title. This is not a "controversy". A "controversy" is when two sides hold strong opinions about an issue and can't agree. A "scandal" is when someone got caught doing something he shouldn't and had to resign as a result. People don't resign over "controversy" (accept in a few cultures); In most countries, politicians use controversies to turn out their hard core supporters and get donotions (which is also scandalous but so ordinary). The "ICT" for me is jargon. Most people don't even know what an ICT is or could care less.Crtew (talk) 13:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I've read the term, but I just checked on my database and pulled up 81 articles with the term "skypegate" and "bangladesh". That's amazing that so many articles would use skypegate - a meme.Crtew (talk) 13:11, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Some newspapers use the term "skypegate" some of the time, but I'm not sure it's quite established enough a term for it to be the article name. And I don't really understand your jargon point...if someone is interested in the Skype scandal, surely they do care about what the ICT is? Applesandapples (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

You could not use the -gate suffix at all. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:03, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Here's something for somebody to edit war on then: Watergate_scandal. If you type "watergate", then you get a redirect to the Scandal. Peace, Crtew (talk) 17:30, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you show a notable source, which termed it as Skypeget?--FreemesM ^(talk) 17:40, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Skypegate examples of use: "War crimes tribunal judge calls for probe into skypegate" in the Gulf Times, "Skypegate triggers retrial pleas by G Azam, others" in The Independent (Bangladesh), and many articles by bdinn.com Crtew (talk) 18:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Just 3 sources!--FreemesM ^(talk) 14:02, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

It's unnecessary to list them all. Perhaps you might search it.14:04, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose according to WP:POVTITLE policy. No doubt both "Scandal" and "controversy" has media coverage. So this article should not titled with extreme one.--FreemesM ^(talk) 17:12, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose I disagree with Applesandapples. To me, calling it a "scandal" is a POV and violates WP:POVTITLE policy. I think the title should also include "skype" keyword. Based only on one incident, it is very misleading and wrong to characterize the whole ICT as controversial. Timtim.hoque (talk) 14:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think "scandal" is the appropriate word for this as it's too strong. There are arguments about the Skype incident whether the discussion was legal or illegal. Calling it "scandal" would be inappropriate and biased. Shantonu.hossain (talk) 00:28, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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