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Previous World Cup Matches
editIs there a reason that there is a section on previous World Cup matches between the aforementioned teams? This is a 2014 World Cup page, not a history of the World Cup, I propose deletion of the section as it has nothing to do with the 2014 World Cup. Discuss.Jas39 (talk) 14:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- If you did it on this page, you'd have to do it on all the others too. That said, I agree with you. We don't need to know about every time those teams have met in the past; that's for other statistical sites to do, not us. – PeeJay 15:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Livescores and live updates
editHi everyone.
As I believe we will have a lot of problems with livescores and live updating I thought I should bring it up here so everyone knows about it.
Based on Wikipedia policies and guidlines we should not provide livescores and live updates. This is according to WP:LIVESCORES and WT:FOOTY consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 81#Live scoring and it has also been discussed at other time periods. This also applies to live updates to tables and list such as top goalscorers, squad statistics and other match info, which you can also read about at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 81#Live updates (again). Please wait until matches are finished before adding the scores and statistics. Wikipedia is not for livescoring and should wait for update until sources are updated. Thank you. QED237 (talk) 21:41, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- This is false information. WP:FOOTY does not dictate WP policy on livescore. Sub groups or project cannot impose selective restrictions. See Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 47. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- You have misinterpreted the statement.
- What was written is that based on policy and guidelines, the majority of editors in the football project have come to an agreement (a.k.a. a WP:CONSENSUS) that live scores should not be added. Nowhere above does it state that updating scores is a policy. Please stop lying to editors to encourage edit warring (which is against policy). Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:24, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- This is false information. WP:FOOTY does not dictate WP policy on livescore. Sub groups or project cannot impose selective restrictions. See Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 47. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- There are no lies. The discussion is proof that the policy changes that you wanted to implement were contrary to the spirit of WP is all about. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:27, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- The lie is that you claim that we believe it to be policy. CONSENSUS is what WP is all about. Sorry you don't understand what's being said. Please stop confusing other editors. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:37, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- And stop deflecting the truth that experienced admins from all areas of WP curtailed your push to implement policy. The consensus in WP:FOOTY has been proven useless and contrary to what WP is all about. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:48, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- You don't know the difference between WP:CONSENSUS and WP:POLICY. We are not trying to implement polic. We are stating what the consensus is for these articles. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- And stop deflecting the truth that experienced admins from all areas of WP curtailed your push to implement policy. The consensus in WP:FOOTY has been proven useless and contrary to what WP is all about. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:48, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- The lie is that you claim that we believe it to be policy. CONSENSUS is what WP is all about. Sorry you don't understand what's being said. Please stop confusing other editors. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:37, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- There are no lies. The discussion is proof that the policy changes that you wanted to implement were contrary to the spirit of WP is all about. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:27, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Graphical team lists
editThe graphical screen shot image of the teams is in consistant with live scoring. If live scores are not publish why is the teams displayed. That should be removed. If the reference is the report from FIFA then that same report has the one going score. Yet folks here are quick to deny that entry while having the team sheet. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure how it's inconsistent. Please elaborate. While I agree it should be removed, because it's unreferenced and an approximation, I don't see how displaying the starting line-up, not the teams, is similar to reporting the scores. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:40, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- The team list is coming from the FIFA report. If that source is used then other information from that article - which is being updated to reflect correct information such as the live score should be include or the article is bogus. WP is inclusive of a reference article. It should not be discriminating just because a few folks want to have team lists in an on going game and not the score. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) They may not be directly referenced in this article, but they're not unsourced. All line-up graphics are sourced from the "Tactical line-up" PDF documents that can be found here. – PeeJay 23:47, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Those documents are definitely not reflective of what is going on to produce that graphic. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- What do you mean "not reflective of what is going on"? No, obviously, because players are not bound to specific positions throughout the game and may take touches in any position on the pitch. However, those are the line-ups that the teams adopted at the start of each game, and that is what we display. It's how we've done it for years. Don't like it? Go away. – PeeJay 00:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- The start of the game??? Hmmm How brave of you to test the WP:LIVESCORES policy that co-admins are enforcing? Why not publish the team lists at the completion of the game since you are such a puritan to procedure? If live scores can't be shown on the page during the game neither should your wonderful graphic. And I won't go away especially because of your presence here. Enjoy... Brudder Andrusha (talk) 00:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- For someone who's been editing here as long as you have, you have a remarkably poor grasp of how Wikipedia works. The community decides on a way of doing things through consensus; that consensus will not always suit everyone, but we have to suck it up and tolerate it. By all means express your distaste for the consensus if you wish, but don't expect people to change just because you complain like a little bitch. Oh, and those line-ups are submitted before the game starts, so shove it. – PeeJay 00:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, PeeJay you are so easily upset.... If consensus is to be upheld like you say, then it should be revered by superwikicontributors like you to the point of not infringing on the WP:LIVESCORES this wonderful group is trying to create. I believe providing starting team lists prior to the game and then at the same time not having the current score on the page is really a huge contradiction. But you know how to shove it - Don't you? Brudder Andrusha (talk) 00:26, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) You don't appear understand what I wrote. It also seems like you have a burr in your saddle. I suggest you deal with that before you tilt at any further windmills. The fact that you won't "go away" gives me pleasure. We need more dedicated editors to watch over articles to make sure that they are being written following policy, guidelines and consensus. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'd like to add my support to everything Walter Görlitz and PeeJay have said so far. The lineups are submitted before the game. Also, a score added during the game and then left could be mistaken for a finished result, whereas the lineups are either correct or incorrect. Any additional information such as yellow cards for the players also waits until the end of the game. - 97rob (talk) 00:29, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- For someone who's been editing here as long as you have, you have a remarkably poor grasp of how Wikipedia works. The community decides on a way of doing things through consensus; that consensus will not always suit everyone, but we have to suck it up and tolerate it. By all means express your distaste for the consensus if you wish, but don't expect people to change just because you complain like a little bitch. Oh, and those line-ups are submitted before the game starts, so shove it. – PeeJay 00:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- The start of the game??? Hmmm How brave of you to test the WP:LIVESCORES policy that co-admins are enforcing? Why not publish the team lists at the completion of the game since you are such a puritan to procedure? If live scores can't be shown on the page during the game neither should your wonderful graphic. And I won't go away especially because of your presence here. Enjoy... Brudder Andrusha (talk) 00:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- What do you mean "not reflective of what is going on"? No, obviously, because players are not bound to specific positions throughout the game and may take touches in any position on the pitch. However, those are the line-ups that the teams adopted at the start of each game, and that is what we display. It's how we've done it for years. Don't like it? Go away. – PeeJay 00:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- Those documents are definitely not reflective of what is going on to produce that graphic. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 23:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- The link provided for the line ups is not the actual information used in this article. It only provides a list of links (results and for shortly upcoming games). So in fact this article does not have any valid references to the starting lineups of the game - prior to the start of the game. That of course can be provided. However, the tactical positions cannot be accepted as encyclopedic in nature and it is speculative at best even though it comes from FIFA. Also it has happened that a player has not started because of injury in the warm up period prior to the game. As to scores during the game - ever see 0 – 0 in progress? Or is that had to decipher that the result is not complete. BTW, U.S. Open Golf Championship is currently in progress and completes tomorrow, but most WP editors not too concerned that it would be mistaken that the result is not complete. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 01:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- I didn't say the line-ups were on that page though, did I? I said the documents were all linked to from that page. Don't be so deliberately obtuse; it doesn't help your cause, people just think you're slow. – PeeJay 01:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- So you provide your own work (WP:OR) for the article by interpreting the positions that are provided by FIFA. Most inventive of you. Why don't we move over to the talk pages of the game in progress and ponder why the starting lineups and images are displayed without any valid references??? Also the positions have no information or links to what they mean. The lineups stated in the FIFA pdfs do not reflect those positions at all. Highly speculative and not worthy of being displayed at the start or during the game. Especially if WP:LIVESCORES is so important for this project. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 01:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- Are you blind? I said the "Tactical line-up" documents, not "Line-ups". Those documents contain graphics for how each team deploys its players at the start of each game, or at least FIFA's interpretation of that. There is no "interpretation" being done here by me, I can assure you, only translation from a graphically bland PDF to our more graphically interesting SVG format. – PeeJay 10:01, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- So you provide your own work (WP:OR) for the article by interpreting the positions that are provided by FIFA. Most inventive of you. Why don't we move over to the talk pages of the game in progress and ponder why the starting lineups and images are displayed without any valid references??? Also the positions have no information or links to what they mean. The lineups stated in the FIFA pdfs do not reflect those positions at all. Highly speculative and not worthy of being displayed at the start or during the game. Especially if WP:LIVESCORES is so important for this project. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 01:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think Brudder Andrusha is being intentionally obtuse. I don't think the editor is a native English speaker and so may have difficulty understanding the language. If I'm wrong, then your criticism is justifiable.
- Wally, my dear Wikipedian, your speculation is way out in the Canadian tundra. Not surprising after your performance in WP:NOT.
- Now, to call golf a "sport" may fall into that questionable grasp of the language. Clearly, it's nothing more than a good walk spoiled. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:31, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- Clearly your biases are consistent...Brudder Andrusha (talk) 01:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- So shall I take it that I can stop assuming good faith on your part? As for your statement that my 'speculation is way out in the Canadian tundra", I don't understand. As for my "performance" in NOT, I don't understand what you mean. I attempted to create consensus to modify an existing policy and not all of the editors there agreed that this should be a POLICY, they did not state that it should not be CONSENSUS. So unless you have something useful to say, I will stop assuming you're a native Ukrainian and that you do understand English fluently, and I will assume that you are intentionally obtuse, here and probably in other areas of life. And do not intentionally use a diminutive versions of the names of other editors to try to make fun of them. I have warned you on your talk page, but you can keep that sort of childish behaviour on the playground, Wikipedia is not the place for that. Good bye. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- We'll see each other here on WP:FOOTY... Unconsensusly yours, Brudder Andrusha (talk) 02:47, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- Clearly your biases are consistent...Brudder Andrusha (talk) 01:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Uruguayan shirts
editPlease someone can remove the AUF badge and the Puma logo from Uruguayan shirts? None of the other teams' kits here shows the badges and kit makers logos and I don't know how to remove it. Thank you for your attention.--144.64.78.89 (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Next day scenarios
editThe "next day scenarios" are not to be inluded after consensus at WP:FOOTY. The consensus can be read at WT:FOOTY Archieve 82 (link to section) and the consensus was confirmed afterwards at WP:ANI after a editor still continued with the edit, which can bee seen at WP:ANI archieve 821 (link to section). The insertion of these scenarios has also been at Dispute resolution noticeboard where it was decided "Resolved against inclusion of the material" which you can read at DRN archieve 54 (link to section). So as I said no "next day scenarios" unless new consensus at WT:FOOTY. Older discussions like this discussion follow the same line. QED237 (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
I think Costa Rica already had played against Italy in 1984
editCosta_Rica_at_the_1984_Summer_Olympics — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.88.233 (talk) 22:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2014
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Can you please include that Marchisio was "controversially" sent off due to the fact that it was a questionable call in "In the 60th minute, Claudio Marchisio had been was sent off for a studs-up challenge on Egidio Arévalo" (Uruguay vs Italy Section) Lorenc15 (talk) 22:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Who says it was controversial? A reference would be needed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:42, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2014
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Please change this because is wrong. In the match "Italy vs Uruguay" says: "The only goal of the game came when Luis Suárez delivered a corner from the right which Diego Godín rose to head with the ball going in off his back" It should say: "The only goal of the game came when GASTÓN RAMíREZ delivered a corner from the right which Diego Godín rose to head with the ball going in off his back" because it's the correct way. 179.25.177.209 (talk) 03:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Done I did some spot-checking online and it looks like you're right. [1] Thanks for catching that. Mz7 (talk) 04:47, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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England Elimination
editEngland were not eliminated until after the game between Costa Rica and Italy, the day after the Uruguay v England game. After England lost to Uruguay, England were on 0 points, all other teams on 3. Had Italy beaten Costa Rica, England beaten Costa Rica and Italy beaten Uruguay, Italy would have ended on 9 points, all others on 3, and England could have progressed on goal difference. The sentence "The result confirmed England's elimination from the tournament." should be moved to the Italy v Costa Rica game, as that result actually confirmed England could not finish first or second. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boothegoose (talk • contribs) 11:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Italy vs Costa Rica
editThere is a mistake regarding the position of the Italian players: Abate was the right-back (RB) and Darmian was the left-back (LB) in this match. --93.34.95.231 (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
- The line-ups come from graphics provided by FIFA at the time. There is no error here. – PeeJay 05:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)