Talk:2016–17 UEFA Champions League

Association ranking

Instead |-valign=top add |-valign=top style="font-size:90%" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.187.202.135 (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

why? Qed237 (talk) 22:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Liepaja

Earlier today I was approached by LICA98 regarding the situation for Liepaja. Last season they were not given a UEFA license, because they were "affiliated with the Latvian Football Federation for less than three years after reforming from the dissolved Liepājas Metalurgs", which happened in 2014 (and would mean they could not participate until 2017). However I can not find any information for this season and the newspaper saying they wont get license for the current season now say With the triumph of Latvian championship Liepaja next year acquired the right to participate in the UEFA Champions League qualifier. (google translate). Does anyone know what will happen? Qed237 (talk) 13:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Here are the club licensing regulations: [1]. Article 12(2): "The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – at the start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years." However, Annex I, Article B(1): "The UEFA administration may, in accordance with Article 4, grant exceptions on the following matters: ... d) Non-applicability of the three-year rule defined in Article 12(2) in case of change of legal form or company structure of the licence applicant on a case-by-case basis;" So I suppose Liepaja will not pass the three-year rule, but UEFA can make exceptions if they apply. Chanheigeorge (talk) 21:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, does "three years" means "three whole years" or "third year"? The license will be granted in the middle of the 2016 Latvian Higher League, which would be Liepaja's third season (about 2.5 years after its reform). Now of course they qualified from the 2015 Latvian Higher League, which would be their second season. So this case seems a bit open to interpretation, and I do not know enough about any precedent to comment on it. Chanheigeorge (talk) 21:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Accesslist

In the original accesslist from UEFA there are 3 fairplay teams, but now UEFA has said there will be no fairplay teams without mentioning how the changes to accesslist will be. Now I saw a link, this pdf, on Kassiesa forum to a temporary accesslist without the fairplay teams and with needed adjustments (three cup winners moved to second round). Should/could we use this as source or do we have to wait for confirmation from UEFA? Qed237 (talk) 13:40, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

These internal circulars are issued from UEFA, so I think they can be used as sources (and has been used frequently in the past). Chanheigeorge (talk) 21:18, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

I might be wrong, but I thought Fair Play places were only awarded in the Europa League and not the CL.46.7.85.68 (talk) 22:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Galatasaray excluded

UEFA today announced that Galatasaray "will be excluded from participating in the next UEFA club competition for which they would otherwise qualify in the next two (2) seasons (i.e. the 2016/17 and 2017/18 seasons)." [2]. Qed237 (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Not complaining but what a convoluted way of saying this. Surely it would have been lot easier to say,"Galatasaray have been banned from entering all UEFA competitions until 2018-19"? I can understand why User:Qed237 asks for guidance interpreting some of these UEFA circulars.46.7.85.68 (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

But they haven't been banned until 2018-19. If they qualified for a UEFA competition this season, they would no longer be banned the season after that (2017-18). The ban only appears to last until 2018-19 because they haven't qualified this season. – PeeJay 17:40, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I think you have just confirmed my thoughts on UEFA circulars. My original reading of this was that the next two qualifications would be disregarded and that makes sense to the extent that they may not have qualified as of right, so banning them when they were unqualified was not much of a punishment. Then I read the previous section about Lepianja and yet again, there is more confusion.46.7.85.68 (talk) 18:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2016

I would like you to update the fact that Benfica have qualified for the UEFA Champions League group stage while FC Porto have confirmed their place in the play-off round. 46.11.65.142 (talk) 10:38, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

This was done yesterday, so try and refresh the page. Qed237 (talk) 15:08, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2016

Add Tottenham Hotspur into the group stages.

APWAPWAPWAPW (talk) 21:00, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

At time of writing, it is still possible for Man City, Arsenal and Spurs to all finish on 70 points, though to be fair, Spurs GD should see them qualify 2nd or 3rd, but they have not quite qualified for the group stages yet.46.7.85.68 (talk) 22:40, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done As someone said above, they have not qualified. Qed237 (talk) 00:22, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

what happens if liverpool are 4th and win europa league?

I know that liverpool finishing 4th is unlikely, but they are 9 points down and they have 3 games left so it is surely theoriically possible. the article currently states that "Liverpool or Sevilla did not qualify through their domestic league" - but in the unlikely event that liverpool do get 4th what happens to the europa league holders spot if they win that as well? 2.223.115.10 (talk) 21:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

You are right, Liverpool might be 4th (although very unlikely) and I will fix that shortly. The scenarios has been described by UEFA in reference no.11 in the article (or here if you scroll down a bit). In case Liverpool finishes 4th and win Europa League they will enter in the group stage and the rest of the rounds will be adjusted accordingly, meaning that some teams from third round may enter play-off round instead, and so on. Qed237 (talk) 21:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Most likely is that Russian and Ukrainian runners-up (league route), will move up to Play-off round if Liverpool is 4th and win EL so they qualify for group stage. Qed237 (talk) 21:51, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Sevilla and Liverpool

In the section "Association team allocation" the article states that Sevilla and Liverpool may qualify to the Champions League through their domestic league. This is incorrect, as neither team will finish in the top 4 in their domestic league, and this needs to be corrected. 90.149.5.143 (talk) 13:05, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done Liverpool may still finish fourth. Qed237 (talk) 13:09, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Apologies, but I am confused on this point. If Seville or Liverpool need to finish in fourth place in their domestic leagues for automatic entry into the group stages after winning the EL, and neither can achieve this, why does the current entry for the group stages show that the EL winner is awarded a spot in the group stages?46.7.85.68 (talk) 12:06, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Only if they were 4th, an extra place for the EL winner would not be needed, but now since neither will finisah top 4 a new spot has been created for the EL winner. The EL winner will always enter group stage, independent of league position, if the winners of Champions League has already qualified for group stage. Qed237 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Confusing, but I finally understand. TYVM.46.7.85.68 (talk) 18:50, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

KF Feronikeli

KF Feronikeli today became a champion of Football Superleague of Kosovo , since Kosovo became a UEFA member recently, Kosovo's team participation will be confirmed soon. I suggest we add at the First qualifying round with coefficient 0.000. The note that list of qualified teams is provisional until confirmation in June by UEFA explains it all.

• The New Saints Coeff. 5.200
• Valletta Coeff. 4.466
• Flora Tallinn Coeff. 3.350
• FC Santa Coloma Coeff. 2.699
• B36 Tórshavn Coeff. 1.975
• Lincoln Red Imps Coeff. 1.700
• KF Feronikeli Coeff. 0.000
• Champions of 2015–16 Armenian Premier League
• Champions of 2015–16 Campionato Sammarinese di Calcio

- Digitalpaper (talk) 17:56, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

There is no information that Kosovo will be able to join this season as the amount of teams for each nation is set by the 2015 UEFA coefficient ranking and when that was completed they were not a member, and they will most likely not enter which Gibraltar did not do either. Kosovo may join next season, we will have to wait and see, but is is to early to add teams now based on our own speculation. Qed237 (talk) 18:11, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Qed237 is absoolutelly right, several Wikipedia rules strictly forbit edits of that kind. WP:CRYSTAL for instance. Even if there is 99% of something going to happend, we have to wait till confirmation. FkpCascais (talk) 22:06, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2016

Arsenal have qualified for the UEFA Champions League group stage. 78.133.1.87 (talk) 16:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — JJMC89 (T·C) 19:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

They where added 30 minutes before this edit request. Just refresh your browser. Qed237 (talk) 19:34, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2016

Please change

• Fourth-placed team of 2015–16 Premier League

to

• Manchester City Coeff. 99.256

and

| (4th) to | Manchester City (4th)

Julius1972 (talk) 12:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Technically, they've not yet qualified as Man Utd could win by 16 goals against Bournemouth and catch them (I acknowledge that this seems unlikely). --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 12:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2016

Despite what the page for the Russioan league says, CSKA Moskou has not yet qualified for the 2016-2017 Champions League. There is a mistake on the page of the 2015-2016 Russian League, but I can't change it. Zenit AND FC Rostov can both overcome CSKA at the same time if CSKA loses its remaining matches and The others win their remaining matches. Zenit may tie with CSKA, but Zenit will take the upper hand because of the head-to-head results FistinPenguin (talk) 15:38, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Is this edit intended for the Russian Premier League page - I can't see a relevant edit for 2016–17 UEFA Champions League? Your maths seems correct though, and I have edited Template:2015–16 Russian Premier League table. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 15:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I removed the note saying CSKA are qualified from this article, as far as I can see they have not secured qualification yet. Kinetic37 (talk) 16:03, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

In Russia, matches won is the first tiebreaker and if Zenit has same points as CSKA they will still be behind on fewer matches won. Qed237 (talk) 16:48, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Whoops, you're totally right. My mistake, then. Kinetic37 (talk) 18:03, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

No problem, it is not often it is used as a tiebreaker (at least not as the first tiebreaker), so it can be missed. Qed237 (talk) 18:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, well done QED: you're well up on this stuff! --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

@Super Nintendo Chalmers: Thanks, I am a mathmatician by work and a huge football nerd so I work a lot with these articles. It is both fun and helps from a lot of incorrect edits as inexperienced editors both vandalise (adding their favourite teams not even close to qualify) and make mistakes like the one in this discussion. Previously these articles had a lot of errors, and hopefully I have reduced that (even though I get some things wrong once in a while). I keep track of all leagues in User:Qed237/sandbox4 as well as an excel-sheet and a personal C++ programme I developed, so these teams can be updated quickly and correctly. If there is any question about any top division league in Europe I am happy to help. Qed237 (talk) 11:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 may 2016

Looking into group stage section, there are few mistakes on teams in Pot 1. Looking at the page, Barcelona not seems to be in Pot 1, instead it is because they are Liga champions, and Dinamo Kiev, winner of Ukrainian League, is placed in Pot 1 but since Real Madrid/Atletico Madrid did not win their league, the champions of association #8 will not be in Pot 1. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pick12 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out - these changes had just been introduced by an editor prior to your comment were undone a few minutes later. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2016

Hello My Name is Piet van den Berg from Holland

I have a question for you Must Kosovo not in the first qualifying round together with Latvia? 77.169.215.79 (talk) 09:07, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Not until it has been confirmed by UEFA. Qed237 (talk) 13:16, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2016

Can you show seeding in the group stage for every pot please. 78.133.33.202 (talk) 07:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Apparently not until all 32 teams are known... – PeeJay 09:11, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: The seedings will be added as soon as all teams are confirmed (for example inclusion of Kosovo has not been confirmed). I have prepared seedings at my sandbox (see User:Qed237/sandbox4#Seeding CL) if you are interested to see current seedings, but please remember that it is only a sandbox that may contain small errors (even though I dont think so). Qed237 (talk) 10:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Looks like Kosovo teams are unfortunate due to the short timing, local media is reporting that they failed to obtain the license and that in next two days UEFA will issue a statement. Lets just wait until the final confirmation comes from UEFA. Digitalpaper (talk) 20:27, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2016

Could you confirm which teams are Pot 1,2,3,4 and separate them so it will be more clear. 78.133.33.202 (talk) 18:12, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done This will be done as soon as UEFA confirms the Kosovo situation, which should be tomorrow at the latest (first reports said 31 May). Qed237 (talk) 19:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Kosovo

Kosovo is named KOS (UEFA/IOC) and KVX (FIFA), what should we use, as this discussion was suggested by User:Qed237, or we have to write both, though. 333-blue 01:46, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

It's a non-issue, because it is not seem by the reader anyway, right? I'd go with KOS, much more intuitive. KVX looks like a placeholder. -Koppapa (talk) 05:16, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

In my opinion we should follow FIFA, the controlling body of football. Why should we follow IOC (olympic people) on this? For football related events it is best to follow FIFA and use KVX both here and for example at 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification. Qed237 (talk) 09:24, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Don't really think it matters, as the reader can't see it. But if UEFA use KOS, then shouldn't we use that, as it's a UEFA, not a FIFA, competition? Joseph2302 (talk) 18:18, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

For a UEFA competition it makes sense to use their tigramme for all FIFA competitions and for general use we should use the official one of the world governing body. In both instances these should be clearly referenced as I have seen a bit of edit warring over this already. Fenix down (talk) 21:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

The solution is simple, when the competition is organised by FIFA the FIFA code KVX should be used, and when the competition is organised by UEFA, the KOS one. FkpCascais (talk) 02:43, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

This is just my humble opinion, but for international football purposes, FIFA should be the governing factor. However, I see no problem with both KOS and KVX pointing to Kosovo in any templates; the average reader will never see the code. I agree that KVX looks more like a placeholder and that KOS is more intuitive, but not much FIFA does seems to make sense. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 11:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2016

Alashkert have qualified for the second qualifying round.

78.133.12.193 (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Already done — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 19:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2016

Valletta won just now against B36, applying the Away Goals Rule. The score was 2-1 B36, but Valetta should move on, and they would play against Red Star Belgrade.

NotKobi2000 (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Already done — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 19:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Skenderbeu

Partizani will replace Skenderbeu, so Fenercevaros will not qualify automaticly to next round, they´ll play Partizani on the second qualifying round — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.176.204.46 (talk) 17:46, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

You are right and it has all been corrected now. Qed237 (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2016

Dinamo Tbilisi have qualified for the 3rd qualifying round.

78.133.36.148 (talk) 16:59, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Already done It is all updated as soon as the matches end. Qed237 (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

There is no need for you to keep doing these requests. Qed237 (talk) 18:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

What is this semi protected shit? Now results are not updated until the next day and before it was immediately after the match. Wikipedia is becoming worse and worse.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.206.97.178 (talk • contribs)

The results are updated as soon as the matches has ended but sometimes it takes a few extra minutes for the page to purge. The article is semi-protected due to vandalism and please note that wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news site. Qed237 (talk) 21:41, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Location map

How come the location map is a mix of city names and team names? 86.180.111.36 (talk) 21:02, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Because some cities have more than one team. – PeeJay 21:16, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

That doesn't answer the question. Leicester = city name and no other teams from Leicester. Dynamo Kiev = club name and no other teams from Kiev. 86.180.111.36 (talk) 22:58, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Well, that's because we only have limited space. Personally, I think the map is utterly pointless, but we need to be as concise with the team names as we can to make them all fit properly. However, for teams that are more remote, we can afford to use their fuller names, e.g. Dynamo Kyiv. – PeeJay 09:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Hmm. Doesn't seem to be particularly consistent. 86.180.106.99 (talk) 12:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

It is also about commonname when we dont have enough space, Leicester City is most commonly known as "Leicester" (no room for both Leicester and City), while Dynamo Kiev is known as "Dynamo". Qed237 (talk) 13:47, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Map for Group Stage

Should we think about changing the map showing all of the group-stage teams? I wonder because Crimea appears to be part of Ukraine still -- even though Kosovo is separated from Serbia. I thought maybe Kosovo was separated because it is a UEFA federation, but that can't be why, as none of the Four Nations is separated.

What do we think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.163.42.209 (talk) 15:06, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Is there something wrong with the table? As far as I know Crimea is a part of Ukraine. Qed237 (talk) 15:17, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Worm/Can etc.. I think the agreed Wikipedia consensus is to continue to display Crimea as part of Ukraine except on articles which specifically deal with the conflict and/or Russia, where Russia's control of the region should be indicated (see for example the map at 2018 FIFA World Cup#Venues). Either way, this is not the location at which to question the map: any discussion would have to go to the talk page at UEFA or probably Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football because decisions would have to be in line with what we display in other football articles. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:40, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Error in Results?

It looks to me like Group E results for Sep 27 are recorded in wrong cells. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.88.184 (talk) 00:45, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2016

I want to change the goal scoring and change it to messi 6 goals

24.104.131.38 (talk) 21:12, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Also note that stats will be updated after the sources have updated. Then the entire table will be updated and not just one player. Qed237 (talk) 21:56, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2016

Change Messi's goals to 9 because he scored two against Celtic 11/23/16 12.36.68.34 (talk) 22:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Done --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2017

Change Monaco flag from France to Monaco, unless you make a note that they play in the French league. The flag next to their name takes you to the article about the country of France, but they are from the country of Monaco, which is a different country and has a different flag. Smithryanallen (talk)smithryanallen —Preceding undated comment added 13:14, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

I think the flags are based on the clubs' leagues. Eg Derry City would be Republic of Ireland, Swansea City would be England. Red Jay (talk) 13:55, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

AS Monaco represents France as they are affiliated with the French Football Association and takes one of the spots reserved for France in this competition. As Red Jay says it is exactly the same for other teams such as Swansea City in 2013–14 UEFA Europa League. Qed237 (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

I added a note and will look more closely on other seasons later. Qed237 (talk) 16:53, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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The playoff round section is a mess. Fix it

Absolute mess — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:3A0:4940:E868:B087:391E:8B8E (talk) 07:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Any suggestions about the ‘mess’? Red Jay (talk) 07:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)