Talk:2017–2018 Iranian protests

Name of Protests

Apparently, the protests are also referred to as "December 2017" protests; should that be included in the text? Here for example its argued that there was an initial spike in December, but no clear ending as the protests just slowly drizzled out.126.248.131.196 (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Chinese Reaction

For when editing becomes allowed again we now have a reaction from the Chinese spokesman that can be added to the international reaction sections “China hopes that Iran can maintain stability and achieve development.” Postermon1 09:55, 4 January 2018 (EST)

References

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was not merged. Pincrete (talk) 13:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

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2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests seems to have a large overlab with the current title. Removing the repeated materials from here, the rest can be safely merged into this title. Also, some users suggested Merger in this AFD. One more thing; why should the title cover 2019 when there's no unrest reported in 2019? --Mhhossein ^talk 12:52, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Because there's literally unrest reported in 2019 in the article and on the news? I'm fine with the merge if we change the name to 2017–19 Iranian protests. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Merger should not happen without a broader input IMO. The limits of this article have bedevilled it almost since its creation. Is this article about a specific set of anti-regime protests over last winter, or all recent protests in Iran? I incline more to the first camp and think that unless sources explicitly treat protests as being strongly linked together - the article risks becoming an excessively shapeless list of all complaints in Iran.Pincrete (talk) 14:19, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I believe the 2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests is structured more as a timeline of events rather than a full article, which means it does not have enough information and backing to contain its own independent topic. After all, these two articles are based collectively as unrest against the regime in cases of freedom and economic hardships. OR it can be said that the unrest mentioned in this article is against the whole regime rather than 2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests, whose aims are to persecute officials within the system. After looking at the corresponding article in persian, it can be translated to give the english article more info so it differs from the anti-regime protests article. Fahambnd (talk) 16:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Just to add a source - the regime itself seems to be treating protests as an ongoing phenomenon. 137.248.1.2 (talk) 15:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

•  Disagree Greetings. Dear fellow @Mhhossein:, according to WP:Merge it is impossible to merge articles like this into another too long article like 2017–18 Iranian protests if they are going to be too heavy to read. Yes, the article has problems, but it doesn't mean we can solve the problem just by merging it into another super heavy article. 2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests are a series of ongoing events which means the article will possibly be much longer than its size today. So merging is wrong. Also, after the proposed merging we're going to have a date issue. 2017–18 Iranian protests is an article about ongoing protests until the end of the year 2018 and 2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests is until the end of 2019. Regards. The Stray Dog Talk Page 14:25, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Actually this one is mainly about protests that started in very late 2017 and finished in early 2018. Pincrete (talk) 09:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pincrete: That's true. Consequently, the merger is wrong due to the date and topic differences. The Stray Dog Talk Page 12:24, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

The merger is exactly due since Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Disagree, sources I've seen don't treat the late17-early18 protests as continuing beyond those dates. The article would effectively become ALL protests in Iran if merged.Pincrete (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• Agree with User:Mhhossein Tshuva (talk) 14:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
•  Disagree Looking at the two articles, it seems that the two events are not related to one another, and by that I refer to the timeline in which each of these protests have taken place. The 2018-2019 protests could be considered a “successor” to the ones that happened in 2017-2018. Also, as another user mentioned, merging the two articles is somehow impossible because the two of them are detailed articles, and the one covering the 2018-2019 protests is even going to get more expanded in the near future. I would also like to point out that we have two separate articles for these two events on the Persian Wikipedia as well. Keivan.f^Talk 02:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

•  Disagree It seems like they are separate, but related events. Pmaxhogan (talk) 18:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

If they are related than at the very least there should be an umbrella article like with the crisis in Venezuela. Charles Essie (talk) 21:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@Fahambnd, HistoryofIran, Keivan.f, Mhhossein, Pincrete, Pmaxhogan, TheStrayDog, and Tshuva: What do you think? Charles Essie (talk) 22:01, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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I've removed the merge headers. After one year, this clearly isn't going to happen.Pincrete (talk) 13:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

References

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Supported by the US ?

The infobox has claimed for some time, in the section 'parties to the conflict', that the protesters were "supported by the US".

"Supported by" is very ambiguous. It can mean 'funded and directed by' or simply 'cheered on by'. In the context of 'parties to the conflict', to justify inclusion, we should have evidence that the US was actively providing tangible logistic, financial or other practical support. No evidence of this is anywhere in the article though tons of evidence of much moral support from US and from individuals in America - though even there, was the 'cheering on' any more intense than in other Western states and was it provided by the US as a state, or simply by agencies and individuals in US?

I've removed the description, it is more misleading than informative IMO.Pincrete (talk) 09:51, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

"The Iranian people are ready for regime change"

This hardly seems like an accurate or appropriate thing to put in this article. While the protests may well have been indicative of broad dissatisfaction with the Iranian government, to go so far as to attribute desire for regime change, which is generally understood to involve violent deposition and replacement by an external force, seems highly irresponsible. At the very least, it should be presented as an opinion on the protests, with clear attribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyest nihilist (talk • contribs) 03:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of 2018 Khuzestan protests into 2017–2018 Iranian protests

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To merge 2018 Khuzestan protests into 2017–2018 Iranian protests for reasons of context and short text. Klbrain (talk) 09:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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There's not much to say regarding this topic which is well within the scope of its broader subject, i.e. 2017–2018 Iranian protests. --Mhhossein ^talk 06:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC) Mhhossein ^talk 06:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Nope. There are too many sources about the "2017–2018 Iranian protests" to stand as a notable topic in its own. Very confused by this merge proposal. Barca (talk) 13:31, 9 February 2021 (UTC) I misunderstood the proposal thinking it was about merging 2017–2018 Iranian protests into the 2018 Khuzestan protests article, something that would not make any sense. Barca (talk) 09:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Oppose, on the grounds that the reasons for the protests were quite different and didn't overlap in time and space. The 2018 Khuzestan protests related to discrimination towards the ethnic Arab minority, while the 2017–2018 Iranian protests related to unfavorable economic policies adopted by the administration of Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, others say that dissatisfaction with the theocratic regime and the Supreme Leader are the actual causes of the unrest. Regarding timing, 2017–2018 Iranian protests covers August 2017 to January 2018, but the 2018 Khuzestan protests relate to March 2018. Klbrain (talk) 12:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, no clear line can be drawn between protests. 2018 Khuzestan protests can be tracked better if it is merged with the broader page of 2017–2018 Iranian protests. --Mhhossein ^talk 17:16, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support: As the nominator. --Mhhossein ^talk 17:16, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 09:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Relation with other 2018 protests?

I feel like the entry mainly discusses the protests in late December 2017 and early January 2018. To what extent is it appropriate to include protests in March and August as is done now? Aren't these events more appropriate to discuss in the 2018–2019 Iranian general strikes and protests, the 2018 Iranian protest movement, the 2018 protests in Iran or the 2018 Iranian water protests?

In general, the entry would benefit from a clear scope, especially in light of the many related entries. Pandrleiden (talk) 14:44, 19 April 2023 (UTC)