Talk:2018 AFC Champions League/Archive 1

Archive 1

Teams

@2001:8003:537d:4d00:8dfb:8082:22dd:21a0 and Jaanklaas: Please do not write teams which have not qualified, thanks. If you have question(s) about it or you want to write on, please leave a message to discuss on this talk page first, thanks! Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 11:00, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Chanheigeorge: Someone add teams which did not qualify it. So I open discussion to confirm whether we should write or not, in case edit warring, thanks! Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:59, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Chiangrai United F.C.

@ThailandFootball: Teams advanced to final is not guaranteed to quailified, and Chiangrai United F.C. only 4th now in league. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 15:57, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Teams as of 4 November 2017

Please update:

• Add Tianjin Quanjian (2017 Chinese Super League 3rd place)
• Add Tampines Rovers (2017 S.League runners-up)
• Remove Chiangrai United (maybe lose the cup winners and reach 4th or below in the league table).
• Thanks. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:59, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Teams table format

I think the current table format for qualified teams need to be changed. I am suggesting to change the table format to UEFA Champions League format. Here are my reason :
1. The table is too long.
ACL only have 53 teams but the table is 3/4 page longer than UCL. For reference, UCL have 79 teams in total. If we use UCL format, the table will be neater and all teams can be seen in one go.
2. Qualifying method column is too detailed.
In UCL teams table, they just indicate the qualifying method with the league rank (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th) or cup winners (CW) and I think it's enough to indicate team's qualifying method for the tournament. We don't need to write the entire competition name.
3. In my opinion, app and last app column is not needed because they don't have any relevancy to the tournament itself.
4. Any teams qualified not from usual qualifying method, like there are no league held that season or teams above them can't obtain license, can be written in notes below the table.

Thanks.
Fauzannaufan (talk) 09:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Support. @Fauzannaufan and Chanheigeorge: This is a sample, please see below:

Group stage direct entrants
West Region (Groups A–D)		East Region (Groups E–H)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
(CW)	(CW)	(CW)	(CW)
(2nd)	(1st)	(2nd)	(1st and CW)
(1st)	(CW)	(1st)	(2nd)
(CW)	(1st)	(CW)	(1st)
(2nd)	(1st)	(2nd)	(1st)
Qualifying play-off participants
Entering in Play-off round
West Region		East Region
(3rd)	(2nd)	(3rd)	(2nd)
(3rd)	(3rd)	(3rd)	(3rd)
Entering in preliminary round 2
West Region		East Region
(2nd)	(2nd)	(3rd)	(CW)
(3rd)	(CW)	(CW)	(1st)
(CW)		(2nd)	(1st)
Entering in preliminary round 1
West Region		East Region
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)	(2nd)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)

Notes

But I want to leave it to User:Chanheigeorge to decide. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:20, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

@Fauzannaufan and Chanheigeorge: And what about AFC Cup? Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 14:33, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hhhhhkohhhhh: I think the teams must be grouped according to its zone. Maybe one column for each zone? Becuase West and ASEAN zone have 9 direct slot each, they will have 3 columns, while other zones which have 3 direct slot, will have 1 column each. But the table will be too wide (9 columns). If we change it to 3 columns (West, ASEAN, other zones), we will have difficulty to separate teams from different zone in the third column. Fauzannaufan (talk) 15:13, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

@Fauzannaufan: But in the Quailifying round, numbers of teams in Central, South, East is more than which in West and ASEAN. So I think we should use two tables, one for West and ASEAN, other for Central, South and East. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 15:27, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

@Fauzannaufan and Hhhhhkohhhhh: There are obvious pros and cons of the two formats, and I definitely need to see what the AFC Cup table looks like before voting one way or the other. Also I think we need to ask for opinions from more people before making such a change. Chanheigeorge (talk) 02:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Agree with User:Chanheigeorge. This is my sample for AFC Cup in my opinion. @Fauzannaufan: What is your sample in your opinion?

Group stage direct entrants
West Zone (Groups A–C)		ASEAN Zone (Groups F–H)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
(CW)	(CW)	(CW)	(1st)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)	(2nd)
(CW)	(CW)	(CW)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
(CW		(2nd)
Qualifying play-off participants
Entering in Play-off round
West Zone	ASEAN Zone
(CW)	(CW)	(3rd)	(1st)
(1st)	(2nd)	(1st)
Entering in preliminary round 2
ASEAN Zone
(1st)	(1st)

Group stage direct entrants
Central Zone (Group D)	South Zone (Group E)	East Zone (Group I)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
Qualifying play-off participants
Entering in Play-off round
Central Zone	South Zone	East Zone
([[|]])	([[|]])	([[|]])
([[|]])	([[|]])	([[|]])
Entering in preliminary round 2
Central Zone	South Zone	East Zone
([[|]])	([[|]])	([[|]])
([[|]])	([[|]])	([[|]])
Entering in preliminary round 1
Central Zone	South Zone	East Zone
([[|]])	([[|]])	([[|]])
([[|]])	([[|]])	([[|]])

Singapore (SIN): Albirex Niigata Singapore, the 2017 S.League champions, is a satellite team of Japanese club Albirex Niigata and thus ineligible to represent Singapore in AFC club competitions. Moreover, the 2017 Singapore Cup winners will be either Albirex Niigata Singapore or Philippine club Global Cebu and thus ineligible to represent Singapore in AFC club competitions. As a result, the league runners-up will enter the group stage, and the league 3rd place will enter the qualifying play-offs.

Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 06:34, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hhhhhkohhhhh: Here is my sample for AFC Cup. Quite similar to yours. Fauzannaufan (talk) 13:59, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Group stage direct entrants
West Zone		ASEAN Zone
(1st)	(CW)	(1st)	(2nd)
(CW)	(1st)	(CW)	(1st)
(1st)	(CW)	(1st)	(1st)
(CW)	(1st)	(CW)	(1st)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
Qualifying play-off participants
Entering in Play-off round
West Zone		ASEAN Zone
(CW)	(1st)	(CW)	(1st)
(CW)	(1st)	(2nd)	(1st)
		(2nd)
Entering in preliminary round 2
West Zone		ASEAN Zone
		(1st)	(1st)

Group stage direct entrants
Central Zone	South Zone	East Zone
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
(1st)	(1st)	(1st)
Qualifying play-off participants
Entering in preliminary round 2
Central Zone	South Zone	East Zone
(CW)	(CW)	(2nd)
(CW)		(2nd)
(CW)		(CW)
(1st)
Entering in preliminary round 1
South Zone		East Zone
(CW)	(1st)	(1st)
(CW)	(1st)	(1st)
(1st)	(1st)

Mostly agree with you. @Fauzannaufan and Chanheigeorge: But I have a qusetion, that is why my sample is imcomplete: What should we mark for I-League and Indian Super League in 2019 AFC Cup? And should we write on group? Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 14:48, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

 On hold Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:52, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

East playoff

Reliable source (Muangthong Utd official twitter) : https://twitter.com/MuangthongUtd/status/936103166285713408

KSA teams

Although I know KSA only have two teams to play, but I did not find a reliable source, can someone help me? Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 22:29, 29 November 2017 (UTC)