Talk:2019 Champions Cup (curling)
Latest comment: 4 years ago by StraussInTheHouse in topic Requested move 8 September 2020
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Requested move 8 September 2020
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to Old Naval Rooftops' alternative proposal. The consensus from this requested move is that the use of the WP:COMMONNAME, even with a parenthetical disambiguation, is superior to a less common name with the sponsor. As Allthegoldmedals notes, this may clash with the relevant WikiProject's guidance so I shall notify the relevant talk page of this closure and the involved users can raise an RFC if needs be. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 18:21, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
– Many sports have a Champions Cup, and so 2019 Champions Cup is an ambiguous term. In addition, the 2016-2018 season articles use Humpty's Champions Cup, so should be consistent with them. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I support this. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- The general article about the slam is Champions Cup (curling), so why not be consistent with that and use 2019 Champions Cup (curling) and 2020 Champions Cup (curling)? (And then should also change the '16-'18 articles.) That's what I would prefer. Anyone know of any naming guidelines/policies/conventions that would be relevant here, regarding sponsor's names in article titles for events? I poked around a little and couldn't find one but it would be very helpful because I think the curling articles are pretty inconsistent with it. A202985 (talk) 17:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Per WP:CURLING/AG#Naming conventions, sponsor names should be used when an event is usually referred to by the sponsor name (i.e. Tim Hortons Brier). Thus, I support renaming the 2019 and 2020 articles to add "Humpty's". Of note, similar inconsistencies exist with Boost National vs. National and Meridian Canadian Open vs. Canadian Open. However, the other slams never have the sponsor in the article title, even when there was a title sponsor. Allthegoldmedals (talk) 17:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Use (curling) as disambiguation. The slams shouldn't have the sponsor name in the title. O.N.R. (talk) 23:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I tend to agree in general with no sponsor names, but WP:CURLING/AG#Naming conventions says the opposite. So this nomination is trying to respect the project conventions. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with (curling) as the disambiguation. The WP:CURLING/AG#Naming conventions is pretty vague as to when sponsor names should and shouldn't be used. I don't think the "Humpty's Champions Cup" can be compared to the "Tim Hortons Brier" in terms of recognizability of the sponsor name. I think the WP:CRITERIA of recognizability (see above), naturalness (it's more natural to refer to an event's name and sport rather than name and sponsor), and consistency (sponsor names can change frequently while using (curling) ensures the event's article titles remain consistent through the years) support (curling) instead of the sponsor name for this and the other slams. UmpireRay (talk) 14:31, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Support (curling) to disambiguate - Under WP:COMMONNAME it states "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above." While 2019 Humpty's Champions Cup is the official name that does not mean it is the common name that should be used for the article title. Here are a number of news articles about the 2019 Champions Cup and not a single one uses 'Humpty's' in the title of the article, some never even mention the sponsor at all: CBC, Toronto Star, The Star Phoenix, TSN 1, TSN 2, Sportsnet 1, Sportsnet 2, Sportsnet 3. I think the only places that I found "Humpty's" in the title were primary sources that would be obligated to use the official name rather than the common name. A202985 (talk) 16:22, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- (curling) is fine by me based on those sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.