Talk:2019–2021 Iraqi protests

Requested move 2 November 2019

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The result of the move request was: uncontroversial moved non-admin. KasimMejia (talk) 11:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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October 2019 Iraqi protests → 2019 Iraqi protests – It's November and the protests are still going. Charles Essie (talk) 20:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

exactly 83.21.219.25 (talk) 22:39, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Support - this shouldn't need an RM. Jim Michael (talk) 13:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Support, seems like it would be uncontroversial as they are not solely in October, and there does not seem to be other 2019 Iraq protests that this would conflict with. -Thespündragon 21:20, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Support Hugo999 (talk) 10:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Non-Admin Moved. This is pretty uncontroversial and does not require a discussion see Wikipedia:Requested moves#When not to use this page Making an uncontroversial move. KasimMejia (talk) 11:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Timeline

I think the "Timeline" section of this article would easier to read and keep up to date if it was organized in chronological prose instead by city. Charles Essie (talk) 07:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree, I'll make the change. --Cerebellum (talk) 09:37, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2019

I don't understand why the article mentions that Sadrist movemnt is the only oppsoing side of the protests. Al-Sadr is a part of the government 'and he is only a Show-off man. The protests are led by civil activits and the secular movments and of course the Iraqi people as they are. The article shows that the Iraqi Protests are only a religious conflict led by a religious figures. But it's true revolution demanding for rights. Alish iraq (talk) 18:54, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2019

Hi , Please Can you change the lead figures of the October revolution , Muqtada AL-Sader and Al-sistani not are the real leaders of the protest , The only leader for this revolution is the Protesters himself and the Martyrs . Thanks A lot . Murtada Kamil019 (talk) 19:03, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Please establish a consensus for this change before making this edit request; something like this will require a little discussion. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:26, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Request to change parties to civil conflict

The protestors side are the Iraqi people in general, including civil activists and students. It's not led by any movement. Simple revision to the news and references can clarify the situation. It does not need a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.237.230.4 (talk) 06:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC). Signature added by SUM1 (talk) 26 December 2019

Please see the Arabic version of this article

The Arabic version shows in the section of (parties in civil conflict) that the protestors' side is (protestors, civil activists, college and school students). It does not show any movement which is an accurate description. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.237.230.4 (talk) 06:13, 25 November 2019 (UTC). Signature added by SUM1 (talk) 26 December 2019

Shouldn't this be on the 'In the news' section on the main page?

The infobox says that the protests are still happening (1 October 2019 – present), but this article is not in the ongoing section on the front page. is there any reason for this? ArkayusMako (talk) 12:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

ArkayusMako At the bottom-right of the In the news box, look for a link Nominate an article. Click and read. There are guidelines and there are candidates, and there are procedures. All is transparent. Boud (talk) 20:28, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay, i was just checking there wasn't a specific reason this isn't there. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArkayusMako (talk • contribs) 21:20, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2019

Add the Prime Minister announcing his resignation on 29 Nov to the "Timeline" section. Reference already included in the introduction: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/29/iraq-prime-minister-resign-worsening-crisis-074396 2001:67C:10EC:574F:8000:0:0:113 (talk) 20:32, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done - ChrisWar666 (talk) 01:16, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

2018 separation completed

For info, I deleted a lot of material duplicated at 2018 Iraqi protests here. There may be a bead of info or two hidden in there to recover... 🌿 SashiRolls ^{t · c} 00:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Aspect-specific sections and splits

As in Template:2019 Hong Kong protests, if there is enough material in the sources (I think there is), and if there are enough active editors (probably not me), then starting to organise some of the aspects together (as per the sources and/or similar aspects to the HK case) in thematic subsections, rather than only as a chronology, might make sense. If/when the material is too much for individual protest articles, then it could be split, in a somewhat similar way to the HK articles. Assassination has been a security services tactic in Iraq since (at least) the post-2003 invasion period, by unidentified groups (possibly multiple groups), so it's a known, long-term phenomenon, for eliminating Iraqi academics and dissidents, with a lack of serious, independent investigations. (This was a comment I put at what was the 2018-2019 article, but now it only makes sense in this article.) Boud (talk) 09:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Iraq Body Count lists civilian deaths in Iraq from violence, preliminary data, as 361 for October 2019 and 274 for November 2019, by "any perpetrators". I think this is too vague to be useful for this article - this can include ISIS clashes and incidents unrelated to the protests. Boud (talk) 23:19, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Iraqi Minister of Defense Statement

Mahdi continued “Huge demonstrations against me duly materialized and Trump called again to threaten that if I did not comply with his demands, then he would have Marine snipers on tall buildings target protesters and security personnel alike in order to pressure me. I refused again and handed in my resignation. To this day the Americans insist on us rescinding our deal with the Chinese.”

Mahdi says he was also “threatened with false-flag sniper shootings of both protesters and security personnel in order to inflame the situation” like what took place in Cairo in 2009, Libya in 2011, and the Maidan in 2014.

“After this, when our Minister of Defense publicly stated that a third party was targeting both protestors and security personnel alike (just as Trump had threatened he would do), I received a new call from Trump threatening to kill both me and the Minister of Defense if we kept on talking about this “third party”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.46.250.140 (talk) 19:31, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 26 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved, in the second case to 2018–2020 Arab protests. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 13:53, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

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• Iraqi protests (2019–present) → 2019–20 Iraqi protests
• Arab protests (2018–present) → 2018–20 Arab protests

– In order to follow the guidelines that many protests that was ongoing use YYYY-YY for example 2019–20 like HK protest, Catalan protests, Iranian protests, Maltese protest, etc. These pages should be moved to follow these guideline, grammar and punctuation 36.76.226.238 (talk) 08:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Really? And then every year there has to be rename... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.99.87 (talk) 13:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

No, don't move any page, I vote for that. FranciscoMMartins (talk) 00:34, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Aye, aye 83.11.99.87! I don't understand why such special care with "guideline[s?], grammar and punctuation" by 36.76.226.238. What if we put "(2019-2020)" if there current event indeed ends in 2020? FranciscoMMartins (talk) 00:34, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Oppose what problems about grammars, punctuations, or guideline? I think the current name must keep even there are issue such that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.137.171.220 (talk) 09:56, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

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The votes made by are a newbie and an IP. More experienced user's vote is required. So —Relisting. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 07:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NCEVENTS and for WP:CONSISTENT titles with Category:2019 protests etc. --Gonnym (talk) 12:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support, consistent with many pages in Category:Protest marches. – Fayenatic London 14:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support per previous above. This move should be a technical uncontroversial request move. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.245.215.98 (talk) 10:49, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support but the second should be moved to 2018–2020 Arab protests per MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 16:37, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
• Should be 2018–2020 Arab protests. Ythlev (talk) 04:35, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support for first move, but the second move should be 2018–2020 Arab protests per MOS:DATERANGE. I Note that anyone who suggest moving the second move will affect 2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism, which should be moved to 2018–2020 Moscow–Constantinople schism. Because of this can someone request move of Moscow Schism article? Any comment from Armbrust — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.69.56.176 (talk • contribs) 09:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

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8 oct 2020 chunk text deletion recent edit

is this alright? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2019%E2%80%9320_Iraqi_protests&diff=next&oldid=982469192 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2019%E2%80%9320_Iraqi_protests&diff=982469192&oldid=982299441

Reliable sources

Those sources don't seem reliable at all Hibsiwakawam (talk) 19:59, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

At what point will this page end and new ones be made?

It is evident that the original October protests of 2019 have long since ended. People are protesting at different times for different purposes. I.e for the death of Qasem (which are pro-Iran/anti-American protests) and then the anti-Iran ones, and then separately the socio-economic/economic protests.

I feel like an end date has long since been overdue, and new pages need to describe new protests. They’re not all interlinked or even connected. JasonMoore (talk) 04:43, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 14 November 2021

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

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2019–2021 Iraqi protests → 2019–2020 Iraqi protests – All sources say the main protests begun on october 2019 and ended by early 2020, which is true since daily protests abated by early 2020 and after that it was just occasional protests every couple weeks. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/1/iraqis-march-in-baghdad-to-mark-protests-anniversary 85.107.226.164 (talk) 12:09, 14 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 14:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). 85.107.226.164 (talk) 12:09, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

• @Dr. Vogel: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
• this one looks to me like it's not straightforward and may need discussion Dr. Vogel (talk) 14:04, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I am ok with either. 2019-2020 was the major phase, and after 2021 were minor protests, but protests are still protests whether big or small. Wikiraqi (talk) 23:17, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose move. The protests lasted into 2021, at the very least. O.N.R. ^(talk) 00:24, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 September 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. The nominator did not provide any reliable sources that support the move. (closed by non-admin page mover) — MaterialWorks 15:06, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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2019–2021 Iraqi protests → 2019–2021 Iraqi uprising – Over 1,000 dead and 30,000 injured, so it seems more as an uprising rather than just a protest. UkraineFella (talk) 16:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 00:43, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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UkraineFella Do you have sources showing that it's commonly called an uprising? We don't name things ourselves, we just use the names given to things by reliable sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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