Talk:2019 United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team

Requested move 18 August 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Most editors prefer the articles' current titles to maintain consistency with the article titles of other sports teams. (non-admin closure) — Newslinger talk 09:38, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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• 2019 United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team → United States at the 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup
• 2014 United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team → United States at the 2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup
• 2010 United States men's FIBA World Championship team → United States at the 2010 FIBA World Championship

– 1) Not scissor off 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup. 2) Already established style United States at the 2016 Summer Olympics. 3) An opposer ironically created Category:United States at the 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup. User:Bagumba don't agree. User:Djln maybe support. Thanks. Sawol (talk) 13:42, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I dont understand the Not scissor off rationale. I also don't catch the supposed irony.—Bagumba (talk) 15:29, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Per format of longstanding titles like 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team, a.k.a. the "Dream Team", since 2010, 2016 Brazil men's Olympic basketball team, 2016 Serbia Olympic basketball team, and 17 other similiar pages at Category:United States at the Olympic Men's Basketball Tournament. Follows pattern of specific year sports teams' title generally being of the format <year> <team name>, e.g. 2019 New York Yankees season, 2019–20 Manchester United F.C. season, 2019 Dallas Cowboys season, 2019–20 Toronto Maple Leafs season, 2019–20 UCLA Bruins men's basketball team, etc. Moreover, there is also precedent for other national teams named <country> <event> <sport> team—e.g. Great Britain Olympic football team, Great Britain women's Olympic football team, India Olympic archery team, Dutch Olympic Sailing Team, etc. — as opposed to Great Britain football at Olympics or Great Britain at Olympics football.—Bagumba (talk) 15:29, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

  2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup itself is an event. The basis of <country> <event> <sport> says United States 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup team Or, do you want 2019 United States men's basketball team by the basis of <year> <team name>? 2019 United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team indicates the format <event1> <country> <event2>. Sawol (talk) 15:55, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

  <year> <team name> team, where <team name> in the case is <country> <event>, as there is only one sport in FIBA Basketball World Cup. Thus <year> <country> <event> team, or 2019 United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team, i.e. year=2019, country=United States, event=FIBA Baseketball World Cup. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 16:03, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose I support the format of longstanding titles like the 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team. It follows their official name according to the Basketball Hall of Fame. --IndexAccount (talk) 20:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @IndexAccount and Bagumba: This is the discussion about whether it's 2019 United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team or United States at the 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup. Not 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team. It is completely different. 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team derive from United States men's Olympic basketball team. Many articles under Category:Olympic football teams such that Great Britain Olympic football team are established due to age limits. Is United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team established? While, United States at the FIFA World Cup are established. Not United States FIFA World Cup team. Question! Why do you create Category:Serbia at the 2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup (for IndexAccount) Category:United States at the 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup (for Bagumba)? Ironically, you violated WP:C2D. Sawol (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2019‎ (UTC)
    • Comment I am unconvinced so far that FIBA World Cup team titles should deviate from the general format of all sports teams, which generally begin with the year followed by the team name. If your issue is inconsistency of category names, WP:CFD seems a more appropriate venue. I would support a rename of the categories. Honestly, I'm not much of a category person, so I just assumed there was an accepted IAR convention there. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 00:27, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Comment WP:OTHERSTUFF can sometimes bring up worthwhile points. On that note, it seems disingenuous to discount numerous Olympic examples but then slip in a FIFA (soccer/football) reference in a FIBA Basketball World Cup discussion, unless we're simplistically limiting this because of an artificial name commonality among different sports.—Bagumba (talk) 00:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Examples from sources marked by underlines: "Minnesota coach Tom Thibodeau, who coached Davis on the 2014 U.S. FIBA World Cup team ..." Reuters, "Two years later, Davis won gold again as one of the core pieces on the 2014 U.S FIBA World Cup squad." ESPN1420.com, "Missing from the player pool are Derrick Rose and Mason Plumlee who both were members of the 2014 U.S. FIBA World Cup team that won the gold medal in Spain." DailyKnicks.com, "Named as members of the official 2014 USA Basketball World Cup Team were: ..."NBA.com, "George, a three-time NBA All-Star, is back from a severe leg injury that kept him off the 2014 US Basketball World Cup championship squad." Manila Times, "The 2014 USA Basketball Men's World Cup Team will play its preliminary round games in Bilbao, Spain, after being drawn into Group C along with teams from the Dominican Republic, New Zealand, Turkey and Ukraine." The United Center, "Shawn Marion, the lone Olympian who played on the 2002 United States world championship team." The New York Times, "Indiana Pacers teammates Reggie Miller and Jermaine O'Neal were among seven NBA stars named to the 2002 United States World Championship team Thursday." UPI.—Bagumba (talk) 04:50, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose No compelling reason to move away from existing convention with similar cases mentioned. Titling the article around the team makes sense as the scope of many of these articles extends into team selection, etc., not just the results at the event. Rikster2 (talk) 21:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

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