Talk:2020 Kerala human chain

Merge request

Why this article must be merged. It has an independent existance and importance like other protests. It is also a history making event participated by 6 million people in Kerala. --Ranjithsiji (talk) 12:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Because there are policies and rules of wikipedia, a wikipedia page is not created just becasue something and someone is in news. First one must go through policies please. And history is not making, its already made. Dey subrata (talk) 00:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Delete Merge – Clearly fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:EVENT, and also a WP:NOTNEWS and not a WP:CBALL, a single instance. Dey subrata (talk) 00:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

The subject of the article is recognized by multiple news sources and they are properly cited in the article. This is an event happened in the state of Kerala and the data is presented with citations from multiple second party sources. This is not WP:SIGCOV or WP:CBALL, the structure of article which is written may make it look like its a WP:NOTNEWS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KannanVM (talk • contribs) 06:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

It simply fails WP:NEWSEVENT. Do you have any idea of how many human chain events happened during the protest. Not only this, there are several unique events happening in the country in these protests, if we start making pages for each of such events, then there will be 100s of such stub pages in wikipedia. It clearly fails Notability criterions. Not independent of the subject, it can't be presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article, the background is already in the CAA Protest page articles, other than these all information in the citations added are similar, nothing new. Absolutely, no need of separate page for this. Dey subrata (talk) 14:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I am against of nothing new because this is the only event happened all over India in this type. There no other 620KMs human chain in India. Another thing an oath to protect the constituion is not related to CAA or something. If you can read all the human chain articles in wikipedia you can find that every thing is in similar fashion. So can we start an article called human chain merge everything into that? is that good ? I don't think so. So I am against of this merge proposal. I strongly believe that this event has independent importance except CAA or something like that. Also another important question is english wikipeida is against creating 100s of articles? Is english wikipeida is against of making new pages about protests in the world? --Ranjithsiji (talk) 11:26, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

The needed information is already added at the main page, Citizenship Amendment Act protests#Kerala and length does not make it notable, several human chain protest held during the CAA protest. For example here 1, 2 3. I feel delete is best option as nothing to merge as its well mentioned in the main article and the background is a copy and there is nothing new between the lead and protest section. Dey subrata (talk) 20:48, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Wow, that means no value for the edits made by the editors. Fantastic wikipedians. --Ranjithsiji (talk) 04:08, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

• Merge This context is no where different from what ever protests happening in India. This is one of the occurance among them. A new section can be added in the main page but independent article will be resulting in a duplication of the main article. An independent article should not be retained just for some body who likes to remain different. So this should be merged Vijeth N Bharadwaj 08:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Keep - Passes WP:SIGCOV and WP:N, it is widely covered and is a notable event. Tayi Arajakate (talk) 06:33, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Clealy fails WP:SIGCOV as can't be a stand alone article, as nothing except a humain chain event happened and all those things written in the background is repetitive from the main article and fails WP:EVENT. Dey subrata (talk) 21:16, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

How can you say that noting except a human chain event happened. I am from Kerala and I witnessed the event. So don't claim things you don't know.--Ranjithsiji (talk) 07:16, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

What you see and hear is not important to wikipedia, and secondly, anything claim should have citation for proving it. Dey subrata (talk) 15:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't see how it does not pass WP:SIGCOV. It has been the subject of articles by diverse news agencies which are independent and reliable. It passes WP:Event due to it having the historical significance of being one of the longest human chains, as long as the Vanitha Mathil with greater individual participation, potentially only being surpassed by the Baltic way. Tayi Arajakate (talk) 00:27, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Through your comments, it clear you are violating WP:OSE. Please I would suggest you to refrain from whataboutism, it fails WP:NCTest as you have started comparison with other articles, it violates WP:NOT. Now it seems to me it cannot pass WP:AFD, your argument of "historical" event does not have any proof, secondly, comparing with Baltic Bay makes your point more velnerable, "Baltic Bay" was a historical event, a unique event, it has connected ant united three Soviet republics (now countries), it was a consequences of several other historic event, and it has great legacy. I don't see any of it here, except "length" for which a articles can't be created. And you have compared with "Vanitha Mathil", its uniques as it was for "uphold gender equality and protest against gender discrimination", no other event was parallel to it, only one such event, does this humain chain only one during CAA, no there were several other and again "Vanitha Mathil" also shows its not unique in Kerala from the fact such human chain of such long length happened before, thus totally fails WP:Event and WP:SIGCOV and other points are also covered in my previous comments. Dey subrata (talk) 15:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

WP:OSE suggests that you can rely on precedent which is what I've done. The WP:NCTest between Vanitha Mathil and the article is more or less similar. I have expanded the article to display that. In addition, the Vanitha Mathil and Baltic Way, both happened in the context of Entry of women to Sabarimala and Occupation of the Baltic states just as this has occured in the context of the Citizenship Amendment Act protests. A more appropriate comparison would be of that between, Hong Kong Way which happened in the context of the 2019-2020 Hong Kong protests. WP:OSE aside, it passes the inclusion criteria of WP:Event, it is not a regular event (as you have suggested), no other "human chain" in the CAA protest comes close to the length and more importantly individual participation as this one, which in of itself would qualify it as notable. It has received significant coverage by independent and reliable sources in accordance with WP:GNG. I don't understand why you are aggressively pushing for its deletion. Tayi Arajakate (talk) 07:19, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Nope. I would have no problem if it was "only one" human chain in CAA protest. You have added "who", "when", "how" not any unique point to support notability criteria. Vanitha Mathil has multiple unique points, (1) A human chain with 620 km (2) Only one for gender equality and protest against gender discrimination (3) Totally by women (4)Also in the context of Sabarimala (5) Has a legacy with a song. So absolutely fails WP:NCTest. Other than length I don't see why its unique or notable. Dey subrata (talk) 23:52, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Merge - the subject is clearly notable, but seems to be too brief to warrant a separate article.--I am not a Seahorse (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Keep - It has good importance in Kerala. I don't know whether English wikipedia cares or not. I don't care.--Ranjithsiji (talk) 04:08, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

This discussion is started by you, and you are adding your comment again here. Secondly, wikipedia cares and wikipedia have certain rules and policies, one must follow that, so you might not care what wikipedia's rules and polcies say, but we wikipedians do. Pleas don't through frustration here, we work on consensus. And consensus does not mean the number of merge or keep, but logic behind comments and you have added none, other than relevant in Kerala. This wikipedia is not only for Kerala, and you have not given any points how relevant it is other than Kerala. Dey subrata (talk) 14:56, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

• Keep - This was an important program in kerala. around 70lac people participated and the whole state was part of it. --Mujeebcpy (talk) 07:14, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Described above at my reply to Tayi Arajakate above. It fails various points and cannot stand against Afd. Dey subrata (talk) 15:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

• Keep - This passes WP:SIGCOV, its widely recognized and properly referenced. If not please check how many of the linked articles in Human_chain_(politics) has notability criteria at least as much of this. -- Kannan Talk 08:21, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

So is other humain chain events during the CAA protest widely published in newspaper. Notability does not mean just widely prublished in various newspaper. You need to add point why its a stand alone article, it clearly fails WP:NOTE as a WP:NOTNEWS and also is not a independent of subject as described in my reply to Tayi Arajakta above. Dey subrata (talk) 15:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

• I guess this can be closed now? DTM (talk) 13:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)