Talk:2021 Atlantic hurricane season/Archive 4

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Ana name

There have already been two cyclones by the same name in two different basins, if a tropical cyclone forms, the most prone will be the South-West Indian Ocean. What should we do so that some people are not confused?

Tropical Storm Ana (Atlantic, 2021)
Cyclone Ana (South Pacific, 2021)
Cyclone Ana (South West, 2021)

Tell us not to be confused by the same name.--МОДОКАУ 03:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't 100% know, but Cyclone Ana (South Pacific) is the only one that is notable for a unique article. So exclude the tropical storm for this discussion. If the 2nd occurred in 2021, and it happen to get to cyclone strength AND was notable enough for a unique article, then probably we will make the current Cyclone Ana into "Cyclone Ana (2021 South Pacific)" and the other one "Cyclone Ana (2021 South-West Indian Ocean)". Long names, but that is the main solution I would see. A lot of ifs though since it would have to form in 2021, gain cyclone strength, and be notable enough for a unique article. If it wasn't notable for an article, but made cyclone strength, I believe Cyclone Ana would be renamed to "Cyclone Ana (2021)" and Cyclone Ana would be a redirect disambiguous page where we would have both cyclones linked to it, which one going to the current Cyclone Ana and the other going to the newer Cyclone Ana. To say the least, it would be messy, but we can make it work. Elijahandskip (talk) 03:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

This is an off topic discussion – limit discussion to improvement of this article. Either be bold if/when the time comes and move Cyclone Ana to a new name or open an Rfc on that article's talk page. Drdpw (talk) 11:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

It depends on whether or not the SWIO cyclone is notable or not. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 13:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Should the 'Ana' in the South-West Indian basin be notable and receive an article, it would be subsequently linked to its appropriate basin. As it stands now, Ana in the North Atlantic is linked to its basin; as is Ana in the South Pacific. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumballs678 (talk • contribs) 15:18, November 29, 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2021

Can you make Tropical Storm Mindy a main article since it hit Florida? 2A02:C7E:3214:4100:BCA5:F098:A23D:FD6E (talk) 20:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

 Possible: As with any storm, if you want a TS Mindy article, create a draft and see if it meets notability requirements and is of a decent length. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 21:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Mindy due to its short lifespan and not really doing damage( I can confirm not much damage was caused due to me being present) wouldn't really require its own article. We made one on Sam mainly due to its notability as possibly being the first category 5 since last year but then again it was not allowed to pass at first HavocPlayz (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:49, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Larry image

Is it possible to change the Larry image? Here's another picture with Hurricane Larry at peak intensity.

If it is possible, do we change the Hurricane Larry image? Open to hear your responses. Severestorm28 (talk) 16:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

The pictures look nearly identical, but I believe when pictures are chosen, they're chosen with true color, which the current picture of Larry has. The one you have is in grayscale. --Gumballs678 talk 21:52, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Gumballs678: I see now, the captions are just not the same, with the one pictured saying "peak intensity". Severestorm28 (talk) 23:01, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2021

tcr increased larry toll to 5 so season toll should be 164 47.19.209.230 (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done However, please provide a reliable source in your request. Source:

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2022

Can a link to List of United States tornadoes from July to September 2021#September 8 event be added to the Mindy subsection, because it doesn't mention the tornado. 108.170.65.170 (talk) 00:55, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. What tornado needs to be mentioned? hemantha (brief) 03:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Such list sections are not normally linked to in season article storm summaries. That said, a sentence noting that Mindy spawned a tornado rural Wakulla county, Florida, could be added, along with one mentioning that, overall, power outages and damages from the storm were minimal. Drdpw (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Well Dan some one please do that? <108.170.65.170 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:52, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

GA?

Is the article's references enough for it to become nominated for a Good Article? Any comments on this? Severestorm28 14:11, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Probably too soon for GA nomination, as content and references in various individual storm subsections will be modified as TCRs are published. Drdpw (talk) 15:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Tropical Storm Rose

I am going to start a draft on tropical storm rose just because of its damage from rain in Cabo Verde if anyone wants to expand it.Hurricane Su (talk) 21:41, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I would oppose an article on Rose. Could you start by expanding the impact in the section in the season article? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I too see no reason for an article on Rose 2021. It was, by all indications, a non-noteworthy fish storm. Drdpw (talk) 00:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

New article

I think that Tropical Storm Mindy or Tropical Storm Peter deserves a page. Mindy made landfall in Florida and affected the Yucatan Peninsula, Honduras and Florida. Peter affected some Caribbean Islands. Just because of the damage, I think they deserve a page so if you think they do, maybe make a draft for Peter or Mindy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurricane Su (talk • contribs) 21:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Rather than proposing new articles, could you expand the content in the section in the season article first? Mindy only has a paragraph of information right now, so rather than making a new article, it would be more useful to have any additional info on damage in the season article first, and only split if there ends up being too much. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

There is a already discuss on Mindy new article Mindy article HurricaneEdgar 05:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hurricane Sam

I argue that Hurricane Sam's intensity record, should be also added to the "Systems" section. Like Hurricane Ida's record for strongest to make landfall in LA. Tying Hurricane Laura and the 1856 Last Island Hurricane. Which is in the Systems section, not just in the main article. 2607:FEA8:BEE7:8600:4077:924C:631:324B (talk) 22:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Such records and distinctions are usually placed in the seasonal summary section rather than the systems section. Sam's intensity record is already mentioned there. The individual storm subsections within that section mostly provide a synoptic history and an accounting of damages/deaths. Regarding Ida's LA landfall record, I had not noticed the aforementioned sentences in the Ida subsection. Those details may be misplaced; a more apropos place for them would be the season summary section. Others may have a different take, however. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 23:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Understood. Cheers.

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was not merged. Respectfully, Mz7 (talk) 00:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

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Tropical Storm Mindy

There has repeatedly been consensus that a page on Mindy should not be created: as recent as this April (#Mindy Page, /Archive 4#New article, /Archive 3#Mindy article). The damage wasn't especially severe and was all caused by the precursor wave. Same thing for the 23 deaths, and the other effects were extremely minor. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Merge, Support Rename to September 2021 Yucatán Peninsula floods I thick that currently create article is better. because they improved expands. also Consensus can change HurricaneEdgar 11:48, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

*Merge (or rename) Mindy was a short-lived TS whose impact was quite minor. The damage and loss of life in Mexico was caused by its precursor wave. This all can be adequately stated in the season article. Now, if a decent size article can be written about the impacts in Mexico, then perhaps a redirect from the title Tropical Storm Mindy (2021) to September 2021 Yucatán Peninsula flooding (similar to how Tropical Storm Wanda (2021) and October 2021 nor'easter are treated). Drdpw (talk) 15:48, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Wanda was different because it did not impact land as tropical system. Mindy did and trying to single out impacts for one area is inappropriate for this circumstance in my opinion. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 01:32, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you, Drdpw (talk) 02:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

• Support Merge – per nom. United States Man (talk) 19:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose merge, open to rename and change subject to September 2021 Central Mexico/Yucatán Peninsula floods. 23 deaths and US$75 million damage in Mexico is hardly insignificant, though I do agree US impacts were minor and are probably overelaborated as is. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 04:50, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment I would support renaming and refocusing the article as: September 2021 Central Mexico/Yucatán Peninsula floods (or something similar, as deemed apropos) and having Tropical Storm Mindy (2021) as a redirect to that page. Drdpw (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose merge as the main contributor and author of this article, it has more than enough impact to pass Wikipedia's policies on notability. In fact, if we went by the terms about notability on this discussion, Tropical storms Bertha and Beryl would not be noteworthy for articles. Mindy's article is still under construction, the United States section is also missing impact so there’s more coming.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 16:03, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment I am also open for a name change but I would keep that and Mindy separate articles since Mindy caused enough damage to have its open separate article. I would not advise the name presented before since most of the flooding impacted central Mexico so a name such as September 2021 central Mexico floods or early-September 2021 Mexico floods would be better, adding the fact there were two major floods in September 2021 that affected Mexico.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 16:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
    • @IrishSurfer21: All tropical cyclones are notable, they get satellite reports and TCRs. Therefore, the question is not notability, the question is more WP:NOPAGE. 🇺🇦 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

      I think there is enough information to keep everything under the same article. As I said in the reply I made below and the comment I made above, I do not think it is appropriate to rename or split this article as the impacts came from one system that impacted two areas. Also, if notability is not enough for this storm, Tropical Storm Danny (2021) does not need an article either. THAT can be merged too. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 01:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose merge because there appears to be enough content for a stand alone article on Mindy. Even a flood article I'm skeptical of as Mindy did other impacts as a TCC as the article itself covers, so covering the related floods in Mindy's article makes sense. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 19:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - I think every US landfalling TS has enough info to warrant an article, and the Mexican impact more than justifies keeping it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:21, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

• Also, it should have the year in the title. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: I agree, and would note that the page name did include '(2021)' until a June 15 page move. Can that be reversed? Drdpw (talk) 19:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink:  I agree with you also because there was a Mindy in 2003 and it is not like this storm will we memorable for it not to include the year, so the page should at least have '(2021)' in the title to disambiguate it from that storm, other than that I'm Netural on us keeping the article seprate or merging it with the 2021 Atlantic hurricane season article. Cyclonetracker7586 (talk) 12:09, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose There's a lot of information in the article, not all of it can be merged without bloating the section, per WP:DUE; this should be seperate as there would be a loss of information. Tropical Storm Danny (2021) had less information relating to the storm and that wasn't merged, so this shouldn’t either. Also, it caused over $75 million in damage and 23 deaths. I would be neutral to a rename, as merging all the US impacts would be difficult but not impossible. —- 68.198.188.106 (talk) 22:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm honestly surprised that an article was made for this storm, but, as we've seen with other storms, sometimes even the briefest of storms can cause major impacts. I think there is enough information here to preclude a merge and I think a rename is not necessary. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 01:29, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose merge – I now think that there is enough substantive information about the TS and its precursor disturbance in the article to warrant keeping it as a dedicated standalone page. Drdpw (talk) 02:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Mindy Page

With the new information, I feel as though a Mindy article is very necessary. Seriously, $75 million in damage and 23 fatalities is a lot so a page is necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurricane Su (talk • contribs) 01:16, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

All of that was caused by Mindy's precursor tropical wave. Drdpw (talk) 03:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

There's enough content to make one probably, no? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 18:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree. We have enough info on Mindy so I think we can make one. Hurricane Su (talk) 00:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

You do not need approval to develop a Draft:Tropical Storm Mindy (2021) article. However, as a stand-alone Mindy article would be very small, rather than proposing an article, perhaps you could expand the content in the section in the season article first, and then split if and when there ends up being too much information. Drdpw (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

2021 Season Summary Map issue

Is anyone aware that Wanda's path in the season summary map is missing? UYScuti (talk) 06:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

(Resolved) UYScuti (talk) 22:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)