Talk:2021 Uptown Minneapolis unrest
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Requested move 18 June 2021
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved to 2021 Uptown Minneapolis unrest. (closed by non-admin page mover) signed, Iflaq (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Winston Boogie Smith protests → 2021 Uptown Minneapolis unrest – I propose moving the article to 2021 Uptown Minneapolis unrest. The current title of the article no longer seems to fit the course of events, which includes a reaction to the killing of Smith, looting in Uptown on June 4-5, the vehicle-ramming attack on June 13, dual memorialization of Smith and Knajdek, and the repeated effort of demonstrators to occupy a portion of a street. The events have been heavily localized, according to cited sources, on a several block stretch of West Lake Street in the Uptown neighborhood of Minneapolis, with sources covering the highly localized economic impact of the events to the Uptown area. Also, the title 2021 Uptown Minneapolis unrest follows the when-where-what format.
Many headlines cited in the article reference "Uptown" or "Uptown Minneapolis" (a common name for the area that distinguishes it from the many Uptowns in other cities) and use the words "protest", "looting", "unrest", "vandalism", etc. The term "unrest" is a broad and neutral way to convey the events there. The year "2021" helps distinguishes the ongoing unrest on Lake Street from the unrest that occurred during initial wave of George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul in 2020.
Some content currently in the article that took place outside of Uptown could move to the reaction section of Killing of Winston Boogie Smith, if needed, to keep the article focused on events in Uptown. By comparison, the aftermath of the shooting of Jacob Blake in Wisconsin is the Kenosha unrest. Minnemeeples (talk) 14:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support, I think that's reasonable. While the unrest began as a reaction to the killing of Smith, it now incorporates broader themes of Black Lies Matter, remembrance of Knajdek, etc. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:30, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- I will attempt a second page move. User:Love of Corey, who has not commented nor provided substantial contributions to the article, undid the last page move. Minnemeeples (talk) 14:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Since Love of Corey objected to the move, I've made this a formal requested move. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:38, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral - I only objected to the move because it was made prematurely while a vote was still going on. Either it's going to be a WP:BOLD move or just letting the WP:RM discussion run its course. Love of Corey (talk) 03:56, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Tear gas misinformation
editUser:David Gerard removed the content that several depreciated sources had claimed tear gas was fired on demonstrators, in their edit here. After that edit, the context about tear gas as another form of media misinformation is lost, so it is probably just best to remove the rest of that stuff from the section on misinformation. The tear gas context is discussed properly on the events of June 3 anyway. I just wanted to explain the edits about it to avoid confusion. Minnemeeples (talk) 18:01, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Was the misinformation described in reliable sources? That is, the fact of the misinformation. If so, then the misinformation may be worth noting - David Gerard (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- The reliable sources do not discuss the fact of the misinformation. The reliable sources just provide a different set of information than the depreciated sources. I suppose it would be original research to point out the misinformation about tear gas use. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- In that case we normally omit mention of it. In some cases, reliable sources will report on the fact that an unreliable source has published inaccurate information (a good example would be Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory#New York Post reporting), in which case we include mention of the inaccurate reporting as sourced to reliable sources. But if an unreliable source publishes false information, and reliable sources publish contradictory (and presumably accurate) reporting, we just use the RS information and omit the unreliable source information. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 17:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- The reliable sources do not discuss the fact of the misinformation. The reliable sources just provide a different set of information than the depreciated sources. I suppose it would be original research to point out the misinformation about tear gas use. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)