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The Owl House is ending.
editTo claim otherwise would mean every show that has ever gotten a “X Renewed for Yth and final season” or “X to End With Season Y” article was canceled. That no shows end naturally. And that is just not the case--CreecregofLife (talk) 21:46, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- While I do see the series creator is wanted to the show to end after the third season, unfortunately, Disney is not giving the final season a full-order and only gave it three specials because it somehow did not fit the branding for the company behind it. Another factor that it is more of "canceling" issue rather than an "ending" issue, is because of Disney supporting the ani-LGBT act from California. Ultimately, if things don't fixed soon, future plans for TOH franchise would get abandoned. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 02:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- It doesn’t matter how long or short the season is, they gave it a third and final season. The narrative you’re crafting is completely fiction, as HB1557 was drafted a month ago. Which has nothing to do with The Owl House ending. It seems like you don’t understand what actually happened.--CreecregofLife (talk) 02:31, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- I know what is really going on behind the scenes though, and your just thinking the show is ending because of the third season intended to be the final by the creator. Well, it is also Disney who is mainly canceling the show for not fitting their brand. Just because the show had the right season to end on, doesn't mean that executive meddling would occur. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 03:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- It doesn’t matter how long or short the season is, they gave it a third and final season. The narrative you’re crafting is completely fiction, as HB1557 was drafted a month ago. Which has nothing to do with The Owl House ending. It seems like you don’t understand what actually happened.--CreecregofLife (talk) 02:31, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
And if you think I'm making all of this up just because you think I do not understand the show, click on these sources:
- https://www.cbr.com/why-was-owl-house-canceled-disney/amp/
- https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-03-10/disney-employees-hurt-and-angry-over-ceos-response-to-florida-lgbtq-bill?_amp=true
BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 03:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Those are two stories with the same underlying cause, but the latter did not cause the former. I really do not think you’re listening.--CreecregofLife (talk) 03:22, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- If you think I'm not listening, give me your sources to prove otherwise. Don't give me nothing. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 13:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have to side with BaldiBasicsFan here. Disney is cancelling the show for not fitting their brand, as Dana Terrace herself has stated. She has also shown interest in continuing the show if she is able to and still wants people to support the show. Of course, executive meddling is occurring. It happened with Steven Universe and it always happens with shows with LGBTQ themes, so why not The Owl House too? Hopefully the show is renewed, but I'm not too confident it will happen. Historyday01 (talk) 14:50, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Steven Universe also had a natural ending, so again you're not making the case you think you're making. CBR is the only source that used the term "canceled". I don't need to provide sources that a bill brought into existence a month ago factored into a decision made two years ago. And you're still not addressing any other points.CreecregofLife (talk) 15:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- I said that the response to the bill could influence any possible renewal, NOT the show's current run. No one said anything about the bill affecting the show's current run, with Disney not opposing the Don't Say No bill in Florida (maybe there is another in California too, but I don't think so) it until AFTER it has passed. Baldi never said anything about that either. The show IS cancelled. That has been determined. All the episodes haven't aired, but unless some executive changes their minds, the show, and likely the franchise, is coming to a close probably sometime this year, or maybe next year, depending on when the rest of the episodes air. Terrace has shown some interest in continuing the franchise, as she said here and here, but it remains to be seen whether Disney will bite on this and do that. When a mega-conglomerate owns your show as intellectual property, what are you to do as a creator? There really isn't much you can do when that conglomerate ends the show. Don't forget that Disney is the same company which cancelled Nimona when it was 75% done when they shut down Blue Sky Studios, blaming economic impacts from COVID-19. It is a damn shame.
- Steven Universe also had a natural ending, so again you're not making the case you think you're making. CBR is the only source that used the term "canceled". I don't need to provide sources that a bill brought into existence a month ago factored into a decision made two years ago. And you're still not addressing any other points.CreecregofLife (talk) 15:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have to side with BaldiBasicsFan here. Disney is cancelling the show for not fitting their brand, as Dana Terrace herself has stated. She has also shown interest in continuing the show if she is able to and still wants people to support the show. Of course, executive meddling is occurring. It happened with Steven Universe and it always happens with shows with LGBTQ themes, so why not The Owl House too? Hopefully the show is renewed, but I'm not too confident it will happen. Historyday01 (talk) 14:50, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- If you think I'm not listening, give me your sources to prove otherwise. Don't give me nothing. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 13:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Those are two stories with the same underlying cause, but the latter did not cause the former. I really do not think you’re listening.--CreecregofLife (talk) 03:22, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- There was a LOT of executive meddling and obstacles with Steven Universe, as Rebecca Sugar couldn't say anything about the show publicly or they could get cancelled (i.e. "shut down" as she says here). Luckily, this later changed and she could more freely discuss the show. Sure, she got a "natural ending" but got pushback on LGBTQ representation in the show, even saying that the show survived because of the fans, not CN, even with some supportive execs like Rob Sorcher, who is a gay man. If Sugar had got what she wanted, she might have wanted to continue it, although she seems satisfied with the show's ending at this point. You are taking a weird stance here. I'm also puzzled as to why this discussion got started in the first place. Was there an edit war or something? Was there a reason to start this discussion here rather than on The Owl House talk page, where it would make more sense to have it there. Historyday01 (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- You’re now using personal attacks while overcomplicatijg everything. The Owl House is ending. And that’s that--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:36, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- What is this whole discussion about? Why did you even begin this discussion? I'm puzzled as to why you posted this here. Historyday01 (talk) 17:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- How is it not a personal attack to even make such implication?--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- As I said before, please just explain why you began this discussion here, that is all I'm asking. It doesn't seem like the right place to have it. The Owl House talk page would probably be better suited for whatever convoluted point you are making. Historyday01 (talk) 17:42, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- What does the location of the discussion have to do with your accusation of me “defending executives”? CreecregofLife (talk) 17:43, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- The location of a discussion is always important. Your arguments, to me, appeared to align in a certain way with other viewpoints of those who oversee shows and head companoes. That is my observation and I'm not stepping back from it. I didn't call you any names or insult you in any way, so it isn't a personal attack. Historyday01 (talk) 17:45, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- If you’re not going to answer the question I’m going to have to ask you to recant your claims--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sigh. None of what I said aligns with any of the definitions of personal attacks defined at WP:WIAPA. You can have your opinions, that's fine, its just what you are saying seemed to be in line with certain other viewpoints, specifically those who would oversee these shows, the CEOs, the executives, etc., that's all. I have since revised my comments as a result, to be perfectly clear. Anyway, can we get back to the questions I asked at the beginning here: Why did you propose this discussion? Why is it important to this page specifically? Is there is a reason you posted it here? To be clear, I never said the location of the discussion had anything to do with my observations of your views, whether they are incorrect or correct. Rather, I was trying to ask why this was posted on here in the first place. Historyday01 (talk) 17:56, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- If you’re not going to answer the question I’m going to have to ask you to recant your claims--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- The location of a discussion is always important. Your arguments, to me, appeared to align in a certain way with other viewpoints of those who oversee shows and head companoes. That is my observation and I'm not stepping back from it. I didn't call you any names or insult you in any way, so it isn't a personal attack. Historyday01 (talk) 17:45, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- What does the location of the discussion have to do with your accusation of me “defending executives”? CreecregofLife (talk) 17:43, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- As I said before, please just explain why you began this discussion here, that is all I'm asking. It doesn't seem like the right place to have it. The Owl House talk page would probably be better suited for whatever convoluted point you are making. Historyday01 (talk) 17:42, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- How is it not a personal attack to even make such implication?--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- What is this whole discussion about? Why did you even begin this discussion? I'm puzzled as to why you posted this here. Historyday01 (talk) 17:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
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This isn't about an inability to handle criticism. You are gaslighting me about my mental health. Your argument has turned into direct attacks on your opponent. Your entire argument boils down to "You're a corporate shill and you're too crazy to be right." Your votes are voided--CreecregofLife (talk) 13:46, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Not going to comment on Baldi's views here, or try to understand this from his perspective. All I will say is that the argument is getting very heated. I wish there was a better source for the possible ending of Amphibia, but as of yet, I haven't found anything. I looked for it for the other day and couldn't find anything definitive, as Braly seemed to hint this would be the final season but it also hasn't commented on any seasons beyond that, saying mum on it, like in an interview he did with ComicBook:
[Question:] Now, when we talked previously, you wouldn't talk about whether there was the potential for more seasons, but you did describe Amphibia as envisioned as a three-act sort of thing. Is Season 3 that third act you were referring to? [Braly:] So I can't really get too much into it, I'm sorry, but I will say that, what I said still stands and the idea that they would return to LA and get back to Anne's roots and that like this giant status quo was always planned. When you get these seasons picked up, you always hope and pray that you'll get enough to tell the story you want to tell, you know what I mean? And so I'm so grateful and happy that we've gotten to this point where we do get to tell this part of the story where these poor frogs are now stuck in LA.
- So, I wouldn't say that there is total confirmation that Season 3 is the end. Cinemaholic noted this, saying "Talking about the show’s future, series creator Braly said that the show follows a traditional three-act structure, which could mean that season 3 might be the show’s final outing. However, this is yet to be confirmed officially," noting what he said on Reddit, "spoilers, but this is a 3 act story and we are in the 2nd act". So, until we have official confirmation, I don't think it should be added to the page. That's just my two cents here. Historyday01 (talk) 14:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- I think you’re pulling from 2 different points. Cinemaholic was after True Colors meaning it was after season 2, the AMA was before, meaning it was still season 2 CreecregofLife (talk) 15:35, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, Cinemaholic is relying on the AMA, while the ComicBook interview, is back in October, is the most recent time he talked about it... beyond that, I couldn't find anything after that point. Historyday01 (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- But a teaser he released yesterday for season 3B saying “Every story has its beginning and its ending” isn’t talking about it?--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- I see that he is discussing season 3B, and retweeted an artist saying "So excited for season 3B!! The end is near." I do see that teaser, but I'm still not sure. I don't think we should jump the gun on this, but rather wait. I don't think it should add it until we are completely sure and it is fully confirmed. Historyday01 (talk) 23:56, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's just you at this point. Not we CreecregofLife (talk) 18:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok. If I happened to agree with you, it would lead to yet another edit war, something I don't want. And since Wikipedia depends on using reliable sources, I still think most of the sources, apart from the ComicBook interview, tend toward self-published sources. So, I'm leaning toward saying that this is the last season, but I want to proceed cautiously. Nothing will be lost with not adding Amphibia to the page. It can be added at the appropriate time when there are reliable sources to support it. Historyday01 (talk) 19:35, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- In essence, you just admitted Baldi was the actual edit warrer CreecregofLife (talk) 19:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sigh. Both you and Baldi were edit warring. When there's an edit war, at least two users are involved. That's what an edit war is. And now the page is protected until March 28. I propose that Amphibia not be added to the page until there is more solid confirmation of its ending. Sources seem to point toward this being the last season, but I'm not seeing anything firmly saying that it is at this point. As for The Owl House, there is abundant evidence, mainly from the series creator, that the show was cancelled and will probably be ending either this year or next year. Historyday01 (talk) 04:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- In essence, you just admitted Baldi was the actual edit warrer CreecregofLife (talk) 19:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok. If I happened to agree with you, it would lead to yet another edit war, something I don't want. And since Wikipedia depends on using reliable sources, I still think most of the sources, apart from the ComicBook interview, tend toward self-published sources. So, I'm leaning toward saying that this is the last season, but I want to proceed cautiously. Nothing will be lost with not adding Amphibia to the page. It can be added at the appropriate time when there are reliable sources to support it. Historyday01 (talk) 19:35, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's just you at this point. Not we CreecregofLife (talk) 18:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- I see that he is discussing season 3B, and retweeted an artist saying "So excited for season 3B!! The end is near." I do see that teaser, but I'm still not sure. I don't think we should jump the gun on this, but rather wait. I don't think it should add it until we are completely sure and it is fully confirmed. Historyday01 (talk) 23:56, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- But a teaser he released yesterday for season 3B saying “Every story has its beginning and its ending” isn’t talking about it?--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, Cinemaholic is relying on the AMA, while the ComicBook interview, is back in October, is the most recent time he talked about it... beyond that, I couldn't find anything after that point. Historyday01 (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- I think you’re pulling from 2 different points. Cinemaholic was after True Colors meaning it was after season 2, the AMA was before, meaning it was still season 2 CreecregofLife (talk) 15:35, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Once again it seems like the original statement has been completely ignored. The Owl House is ending, otherwise all shows would be considered canceled--CreecregofLife (talk) 08:03, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- The Owl House was cancelled and will probably be ending either this year or next year, depending on when the episodes air. It seems like Amphibia is ending, from what I have read, but I'm not completely sure we should add it until there is more solid confirmation of its ending. Please see my more detailed comments in the below discussion, with sources for these statements. Historyday01 (talk) 13:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please read the very first message I wrote in this thread before replying again--CreecregofLife (talk) 13:41, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- I did, but the discussion is now taking place in the "Protected edit request on 21 March 2022" section now. Historyday01 (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- That’s deflection, and not an assurance.--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:08, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok. Anyway, the discussion is taking place there now. Historyday01 (talk) 14:12, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- That’s deflection, and not an assurance.--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:08, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- I did, but the discussion is now taking place in the "Protected edit request on 21 March 2022" section now. Historyday01 (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please read the very first message I wrote in this thread before replying again--CreecregofLife (talk) 13:41, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the Pograms Ending section to restore Amphibia to May 14, as it was properly sourced, and reclassify The Owl House to “Ending” and The Casagrandes to “Canceled”. This is how it should be, and it is not “political pandering” for it to be this way. “Canceling” is not the proper term for this context, as unlike when a show ends under its own power, a canceled show is already canceled when announced in advance. It does not become canceled when the canceled series airs its last episode CreecregofLife (talk) 08:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)- Even if your correct, you need to establish a consensus before it is actually considered correct. The reason why you are doing an edit war is because you don't have a consensus. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 13:07, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Fair point on that count. There needs to be a consensus for such a change and reliable sources to support those changes. There is evidence that The Owl House was cancelled per statements from the series creator Dana Terrace, as summarized by CBR, ScreenRant, Digital Spy, and another CBR article. I looked up the cancellation of The Casagrandes and a very short Axios article states that the show was cancelled. As for Amphibia, you can see my comments about that in the above discussion. I think there is evidence showing that the current season seems to be the last season, as the series creator seems to have implied, but I'm not sure if that's enough to say it is ending. Maybe it is, but I'd like to hear some other people's views on that, because I don't know whether a more reliable source would be better for that, or if what we have so far, as noted in the links I provided in the above discussion, in terms of his Oct. 2021 interview, a Cinemaholic article, a comment in a AMA, and a recent teaser is enough, as you could argue those sources tend to be self-published for the most part rather than reliable. Historyday01 (talk) 13:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don’t need consensus for a grammatical correction you won’t even address. Heck, you still haven’t proven that The Owl House was actually canceled, instead of the term being used for clickbait instead of accuracy--CreecregofLife (talk) 13:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- How do those articles in CBR, ScreenRant, and Digital Spy not prove it was cancelled? I don't know what you are talking about. And there is ample sourcing showing it was cancelled. Historyday01 (talk) 14:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Because it's their word choice based on their perception, not the fact. Dana fought to salvage the third season, right? “You can have your third season, but that’s it” is considered a natural ending and therefore not actually canceled.--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Terrace herself said it was cancelled (mentioned in the CBR article). Isn't that enough for you? Do you need some Disney exec to say it too? I mean, come on now. I can see why you and Baldi edit warred now. The show was cancelled and she is being given a third season. A show can STILL have a "natural ending," as you claim, and be cancelled. It isn't that hard to understand. Historyday01 (talk) 14:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's self-published. Can't be used if I can't claim at this moment that Amphibia is ending.--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:25, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, fine. No one was saying that we use that AMA (and I have cited AMAs before on here, and I think they are fine sources if information stated in an AMA isn't summarized or quoted in a more reliable source), but the CBR, Screenrant, and Digital Spy articles quote and summarize comments from that AMA, and they ARE reliable sources. I would even be willing to grant that Braly's ComicBook interview in October is a reliable source for Amphibia ending, but I'm just not sure its enough, and was hoping someone else would weigh in on that. When I said the sources "tend to be self-published for the most part rather than reliable" I was mainly hinting at the teaser, and possibly the AMA, while Cinemaholic is of marginal reliability, just to be clear. Historyday01 (talk) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Recently, a crew member of Amphibia stated that season 3 is the really final season per the information I gathered from Twitter. While that isn't a reliable source for unverified accounts, the creator of the show (whose account is verified) retweeted a non-verified crew member message about season 3 being the final season, and that member even has their own website. It think it should now be okay to add the show to the endings section with noted as "Ending", but it shouldn't be listed as May 14th until WP:RS is confirmed with consensus. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- I can agree with that as well and that the date shouldn't be listed until May 14 until there is a reliable source for that date. Historyday01 (talk) 23:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Recently, a crew member of Amphibia stated that season 3 is the really final season per the information I gathered from Twitter. While that isn't a reliable source for unverified accounts, the creator of the show (whose account is verified) retweeted a non-verified crew member message about season 3 being the final season, and that member even has their own website. It think it should now be okay to add the show to the endings section with noted as "Ending", but it shouldn't be listed as May 14th until WP:RS is confirmed with consensus. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, fine. No one was saying that we use that AMA (and I have cited AMAs before on here, and I think they are fine sources if information stated in an AMA isn't summarized or quoted in a more reliable source), but the CBR, Screenrant, and Digital Spy articles quote and summarize comments from that AMA, and they ARE reliable sources. I would even be willing to grant that Braly's ComicBook interview in October is a reliable source for Amphibia ending, but I'm just not sure its enough, and was hoping someone else would weigh in on that. When I said the sources "tend to be self-published for the most part rather than reliable" I was mainly hinting at the teaser, and possibly the AMA, while Cinemaholic is of marginal reliability, just to be clear. Historyday01 (talk) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's self-published. Can't be used if I can't claim at this moment that Amphibia is ending.--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:25, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Terrace herself said it was cancelled (mentioned in the CBR article). Isn't that enough for you? Do you need some Disney exec to say it too? I mean, come on now. I can see why you and Baldi edit warred now. The show was cancelled and she is being given a third season. A show can STILL have a "natural ending," as you claim, and be cancelled. It isn't that hard to understand. Historyday01 (talk) 14:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Because it's their word choice based on their perception, not the fact. Dana fought to salvage the third season, right? “You can have your third season, but that’s it” is considered a natural ending and therefore not actually canceled.--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- How do those articles in CBR, ScreenRant, and Digital Spy not prove it was cancelled? I don't know what you are talking about. And there is ample sourcing showing it was cancelled. Historyday01 (talk) 14:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don’t need consensus for a grammatical correction you won’t even address. Heck, you still haven’t proven that The Owl House was actually canceled, instead of the term being used for clickbait instead of accuracy--CreecregofLife (talk) 13:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Fair point on that count. There needs to be a consensus for such a change and reliable sources to support those changes. There is evidence that The Owl House was cancelled per statements from the series creator Dana Terrace, as summarized by CBR, ScreenRant, Digital Spy, and another CBR article. I looked up the cancellation of The Casagrandes and a very short Axios article states that the show was cancelled. As for Amphibia, you can see my comments about that in the above discussion. I think there is evidence showing that the current season seems to be the last season, as the series creator seems to have implied, but I'm not sure if that's enough to say it is ending. Maybe it is, but I'd like to hear some other people's views on that, because I don't know whether a more reliable source would be better for that, or if what we have so far, as noted in the links I provided in the above discussion, in terms of his Oct. 2021 interview, a Cinemaholic article, a comment in a AMA, and a recent teaser is enough, as you could argue those sources tend to be self-published for the most part rather than reliable. Historyday01 (talk) 13:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Even if your correct, you need to establish a consensus before it is actually considered correct. The reason why you are doing an edit war is because you don't have a consensus. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 13:07, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not done @CreecregofLife, BaldiBasicsFan, and Historyday01: as this page is no longer protected, please be sure that contentious edits have been discussed before proceeding to (re)introduce them to the article. See WP:BRD for guidance. — xaosflux Talk 10:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- We don't want more edit wars, after all. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 13:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Was this comment really necessary, Baldi? CreecregofLife (talk) 13:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I can agree with the call for no edit wars. I propose we add Amphibia to the ending section, but don't add May 14 as the date for the show coming to an end until there is a reliable source showing that the show is ending on May 14. Its possible the ending date could be different as shows have scheduling issues all the time, and release times of past Amphibia episodes have been affected by that, like the season 2 finale Historyday01 (talk) 15:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Was this comment really necessary, Baldi? CreecregofLife (talk) 13:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- We don't want more edit wars, after all. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 13:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Historyday01, I agree we should add Amphibia to the shows that are coming to an end, but not with the end date until reliable sourced. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 18:15, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Right. I agree with that. Historyday01 (talk) 19:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- CreecregofLife, please tell me the reasons why "Canceling" is not an appropriate term on Wikipedia. You need to have a consensus to provide your reasons. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:53, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I would only say that "cancelled" makes sense per what was done on the 2021 in animation, where "cancelled" was used. That's just my thoughts on it. In that way, I would argue that "Cancelled" is a better word than "Canceling" or "Cancelling" as the latter two make it seem like a process, even though that show was cancelled with Axios saying "Nickelodeon is canceling “The Casagrandes,” a cartoon about the dynamics of a multi-generational Latino family that lives under one roof, Axios has learned...It's the latest Latino-led show to be canceled after only a few seasons, despite rave reviews and loyal followings." One day I'll watch that show, although I have a bit of a show backlog... Historyday01 (talk) 22:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- You know, it kind of makes more sense to say "cancelled" instead of "canceling", besides, a show can already get cancelled even though it hasn't aired its last episode yet. Might wanna add a hidden note in the main article about this in the future. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 23:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sure, a hidden note on this would definitely make sense. Historyday01 (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- You know, it kind of makes more sense to say "cancelled" instead of "canceling", besides, a show can already get cancelled even though it hasn't aired its last episode yet. Might wanna add a hidden note in the main article about this in the future. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 23:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I would only say that "cancelled" makes sense per what was done on the 2021 in animation, where "cancelled" was used. That's just my thoughts on it. In that way, I would argue that "Cancelled" is a better word than "Canceling" or "Cancelling" as the latter two make it seem like a process, even though that show was cancelled with Axios saying "Nickelodeon is canceling “The Casagrandes,” a cartoon about the dynamics of a multi-generational Latino family that lives under one roof, Axios has learned...It's the latest Latino-led show to be canceled after only a few seasons, despite rave reviews and loyal followings." One day I'll watch that show, although I have a bit of a show backlog... Historyday01 (talk) 22:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- CreecregofLife, please tell me the reasons why "Canceling" is not an appropriate term on Wikipedia. You need to have a consensus to provide your reasons. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:53, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Protected edit request on 21 March 2022 (2)
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- What information would you like to add or change? Historyday01 (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Can you let me edit this page again? I wasn't trying to edit false information, most of the information of this page is true!
- Not done you will need to leave a very specific request for what you want changed to have an edit request processed. — xaosflux Talk 15:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please add the direct-to-video release of King Tweety in a Spring section of the year’s events[1] CreecregofLife (talk) 16:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Addendum: Is it okay to make clear that this page is for animation outside of Japan? Like, I was going to also request to add about the Toei hack but I wasn’t sure if we’re supposed to keep anime stuff to “X year in anime” pages, and if that was the case I didn’t know if Toei still did animation of foreign shows outsourced to it to make it relevant to this page again. --CreecregofLife (talk) 16:33, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Addendum 2 The Weeknd just released an animated music video for "Snowchild". Can we add that to “Events” too?--CreecregofLife (talk) 16:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well the 2021 in animation page mentioned deaths of Japanese voice actors and some information about anime, but I think that might be ok to add this page, and maybe to the 2022 in anime page too. I think the direct-to-video release of King Tweety can surely be added to the spring section of the year’s events, since it uses a reliable source, as can the release of the animated music video by The Weeknd. I did a quick search and this ANN article (there were also articles in ComicBook and Variety, and an interview for Crunchyroll) would probably be better as a source than Hypebeast. Historyday01 (talk) 17:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Addendum 2 The Weeknd just released an animated music video for "Snowchild". Can we add that to “Events” too?--CreecregofLife (talk) 16:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not done @CreecregofLife and Historyday01: this page is no longer protected, please be sure that contentious edits have been discussed before proceeding to (re)introduce them to the article. See WP:BRD for guidance. — xaosflux Talk 10:39, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- In this case, I think that there is actually agreement between myself and CreecregofLife, as I'm fine with adding the Toei Hack, the direct-to-video release of King Tweety, and the release of the animated music video for Snowchild to the appropriate parts of the page. Historyday01 (talk) 15:18, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Heller, Jeff (March 21, 2022). "King Tweety Animated Film Trailer [EXCLUSIVE]". ScreenRant. Retrieved March 21, 2022.
"Bart the Cool Kid"
editLooks like there's some dispute about including this episode of The Simpsons. It would behoove all involved to discuss the matter here. —C.Fred (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- My response to it is that since the episode in question does not have a page, unlike the episodes "The Longest Marge", "You Won't Believe What This Episode Is About – Act Three Will Shock You!", and "Yokel Chords" mentioned on the main page, it isn't notable enough to include, and should be removed. Historyday01 (talk) 22:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Users just continue to add all episodes of The Simpsons on Wikipedia. Just because a show is famous does not mean every episode should be on the wiki. This is is not The Simpsons Wiki, it is Wikipedia. A lot of episodes pages seem to not follow notability guidelines here. I think the pages that do not follow notability guidelines should be merged into the season articles, while the episodes that follow notability do get to stay. This is a similar issue with Family Guy which thankfully has been resolved. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. There has been some talk on the TV Project about people adding episodes for shows but those episodes not having notability. I agree completely that pages that don't follow notability guidelines should be merged into season articles. Historyday01 (talk) 22:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- "I think the pages that do not follow notability guidelines should be merged into the season articles" This talk page is not the appropriate place to suggest sweeping changes to a large number of articles. Perhaps you should make such a suggestion to the talk pages of the relevant articles, and see if you can get the support of other editors. Dimadick (talk) 10:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's a fair point. I do think that people sometimes do create too many episode articles, but Simpsons episodes are often reviewed by many reliable sources like A.V. Club, ScreenRant, CBR, etc., from what I've observed. Historyday01 (talk) 14:20, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- I will try making talk page discussions. Besides, I have merged some episodes into articles before. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- This isn't even what the dispute is about. This is about why The Simpsons is getting episode by episode coverage here on this page when no other show does CreecregofLife (talk) 06:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ok. I mean, I'm not sure why The Simpsons is getting such coverage on this page other than overzealous fans of the show adding it in. Historyday01 (talk) 12:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- That's a fair point. I do think that people sometimes do create too many episode articles, but Simpsons episodes are often reviewed by many reliable sources like A.V. Club, ScreenRant, CBR, etc., from what I've observed. Historyday01 (talk) 14:20, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Users just continue to add all episodes of The Simpsons on Wikipedia. Just because a show is famous does not mean every episode should be on the wiki. This is is not The Simpsons Wiki, it is Wikipedia. A lot of episodes pages seem to not follow notability guidelines here. I think the pages that do not follow notability guidelines should be merged into the season articles, while the episodes that follow notability do get to stay. This is a similar issue with Family Guy which thankfully has been resolved. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2022
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Can you unblock this page? What if a new series debuted? What if somebody else dies? What show is ending soon? I can't do that if you protect this page. I fix errors you know 69.255.225.138 (talk) 13:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Then a registered user will edit it as necessary--CreecregofLife (talk) 13:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, but what if it doesn't look good. Like for example, (Ray Liotta, American actor (voiced himself in Bee Movie, voice of Leader of Bubble Poppin Boys in SpongeBob SquarePants, dies in his sleep.) You see? It doesn't look detailed or anything. Can you please unblock this page and undo the years list for debuts now that it is inconsistent with the other years because it actually has the years when the show starts and ends. I wasn't vandalizing. Thanks. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 13:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I trust that people will come along and update the page as needed. Unlike some other pages, this one has many editors adding and removing stuff all the time, so I'm not worried. Historyday01 (talk) 14:12, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- How does it not “look good" exactly? CreecregofLife (talk) 14:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Because whether its a celebrity doing voices for animation, they must include almost all of their voice credits. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 15:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- That doesn’t answer the question CreecregofLife (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- What I'm saying it doesn't look good because it doesn't have too much detail unlike the other deaths in this year. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 16:20, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- But you’ve chosen one example where allegedly only some their animation work is covered. You want every single role covered when that’s especially problematic and honestly not how Wikipedia works. CreecregofLife (talk) 19:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- What I'm saying it doesn't look good because it doesn't have too much detail unlike the other deaths in this year. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 16:20, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- That doesn’t answer the question CreecregofLife (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Because whether its a celebrity doing voices for animation, they must include almost all of their voice credits. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 15:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, but what if it doesn't look good. Like for example, (Ray Liotta, American actor (voiced himself in Bee Movie, voice of Leader of Bubble Poppin Boys in SpongeBob SquarePants, dies in his sleep.) You see? It doesn't look detailed or anything. Can you please unblock this page and undo the years list for debuts now that it is inconsistent with the other years because it actually has the years when the show starts and ends. I wasn't vandalizing. Thanks. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 13:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2022 (2)
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69.255.225.138 (talk) 23:37, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Can you fix Billy Kametz's death page to be more like this:
- June 9: Billy Kametz, American voice actor (voice of Josuke Higashikata in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Anai in Aggretsuko, Naofumi Iwatani in The Rising of the Shield Hero, Mikhail in Sirius the Jaeger), dies from colon cancer at age 35.[1]
References
- ^ "Billy Kametz Obituary". The Patriot-News. June 11, 2022.
- Not done: American voice actor (voice of Josuke Higashikata in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Anai in Aggretsuko, Naofumi Iwatani in The Rising of the Shield Hero, Mikhail in Sirius the Jaeger) This should be addressed in the article, not in the death section. You could start a discussion on the talk page and see what regular page watchers have to say. Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 23:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I wasn't meant to say the death section, I was meant to say to put on the 2022 in animation page. Not the deaths in 2022 page. Thanks. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 00:08, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Done Special:Diff/1092700480. Please note the edit summary. Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 00:20, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2022
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Can you fix Billy Kametz to include this? (voice of Josuke Higashikata in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Anai in Aggretsuko, Naofumi Iwatani in The Rising of the Shield Hero, Mikhail in Sirius the Jaeger, White Blood Cell in Cells at Work!, Ren and Ash's Rotom Phone in Pokémon, Shigeru Aoba in Neon Genesis Evangelion, Nevareth in The Owl House episode "Witches Before Wizards"), dies from colon cancer at age 35. Side note: Video games like Persona 5 and Pokémon Masters EX doesn't count as animation. There's already a 2022 in video games page.69.255.225.138 (talk) 14:28, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not doneNo. There’s a 2022 in anime page but that doesn’t discount it from being animation. You really have to stop--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry. It's just that since you locked this page, I can't make any adjustments to edits. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 15:11, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- And your intent to disrupt by curating the page as you see fit shows it was a good call CreecregofLife (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry. It's just that since you locked this page, I can't make any adjustments to edits. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 15:11, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Can you add this?
- June 4: Jim White, American voice actor (voice of Haredas in One Piece, the Narrator and Igneel in Fairy Tail, Marco in Fairy Gone, Zeke's Grandpa in Attack on Titan), dies from lung cancer at age 73.[1]— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.225.138 (talk • contribs)
Can you add this?
- June 12: Philip Baker Hall, American actor (voice of Mr. Thompson and Mr. Saunders in Baby Blues, Norman Walker in The Life & Times of Tim episode "Novelist", Hank Hippopopalous in BoJack Horseman), dies at age 90.[2]— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.225.138 (talk • contribs)
- Yes, but remember to sign your comments--CreecregofLife (talk) 18:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Hodgkins, Crystalyn (June 11, 2022). "Voice Actor, Radio Host Jim White Passes Away". Anime News Network.
- ^ "Philip Baker Hall death: Magnolia and Modern Family actor dies, aged 90". The Independent. 13 June 2022.
Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2022
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I found out that Everett Peck (creator of Duckman and Squirrel Boy) has died on June 14. Can you add this?
- June 14: Everett Peck, American animator, character designer (The Real Ghostbusters, Adelaide Productions), art director (Sammy), writer (Rugrats) and producer (creator of Duckman and Squirrel Boy), dies at age 71.[1] 69.255.225.138 (talk) 22:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but I have altered it--CreecregofLife (talk) 22:56, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Looks good but he was an animator on The Critic, not a writer. You would've put an on the animator part like this
- Everett Peck, American animator (The Critic), character designer (The Real Ghostbusters, Adelaide Productions), art director (Sammy), writer (Rugrats) and producer (creator of Duckman and Squirrel Boy), dies at age 71.
- Other than that, good job! 69.255.225.138 (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also I found a better source of his death. Replace the Instagram post with this link.
- [2] 69.255.225.138 (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Got it done! CreecregofLife (talk) 23:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good. Only 1 more change though. You didn't replace this: Everett Peck, American animator, creator of Duckman and Squirrel Boy, character designer (The Real Ghostbusters, Adelaide Productions), art director (Sammy), writer (Rugrats, The Critic), dies at age 71.; into this yet: Everett Peck, American animator (The Critic), character designer (The Real Ghostbusters, Adelaide Productions), art director (Sammy), writer (Rugrats) and producer (creator of Duckman and Squirrel Boy), dies at age 71. I already told you that Peck was an animator on The Critic, not a writer. His only writing credit besides Duckman is Rugrats. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 23:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I’m not liking your tone. You didn’t “already tell me” and you’re talking about replacing where it doesn’t apply CreecregofLife (talk) 00:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry about that. I edited the 1950 in animation page to include that. I will leave you alone. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 00:24, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I’m not liking your tone. You didn’t “already tell me” and you’re talking about replacing where it doesn’t apply CreecregofLife (talk) 00:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good. Only 1 more change though. You didn't replace this: Everett Peck, American animator, creator of Duckman and Squirrel Boy, character designer (The Real Ghostbusters, Adelaide Productions), art director (Sammy), writer (Rugrats, The Critic), dies at age 71.; into this yet: Everett Peck, American animator (The Critic), character designer (The Real Ghostbusters, Adelaide Productions), art director (Sammy), writer (Rugrats) and producer (creator of Duckman and Squirrel Boy), dies at age 71. I already told you that Peck was an animator on The Critic, not a writer. His only writing credit besides Duckman is Rugrats. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 23:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Got it done! CreecregofLife (talk) 23:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
I found out that the cause of death of Everett Peck was pancreatic cancer. So can now include his cause of death like this? Everett Peck, American animator, character designer (The Real Ghostbusters, The Critic, Adelaide Productions), art director (Sammy), writer (Rugrats) and producer (creator of Duckman and Squirrel Boy), dies from pancreatic cancer at age 71.69.255.225.138 (talk) 23:27, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Getting on it now--CreecregofLife (talk) 23:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ @everett_peck (16 June 2022). "Mr. Peck has left the studio... Oct. 9, 1950 - June 14, 2022". Retrieved 16 June 2022 – via Instagram.
- ^ Magazine, Animation (June 16, 2022). "'Duckman' Creator Everett Peck Dies Age 71". Animation Magazine.
Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2022
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I found out that Mira, Royal Detective had already aired its last episode yesterday. Can you please change it from Ending to Ended? - 69.255.225.138 (talk) 15:29, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sure, as Animation Magazine says that "Acclaimed animated preschool series Historyday01 (talk) 15:53, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Mira, Royal Detective will culminate with four extended-length specials that celebrate Bollywood music and dancing...The specials will be presented beginning May 2 through June 20". CreecregofLife just implemented the change.
- It was already listed on account of such (and thus the Ending status was appropriately moved down; so as a frequent visitor of the page and knower of its content, it’s not quite “I just found out” it’s more “I just realized we passed June 20 yesterday and therefore Mira should be over”) CreecregofLife (talk) 15:55, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Right, that makes sense. Historyday01 (talk) 21:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- It was already listed on account of such (and thus the Ending status was appropriately moved down; so as a frequent visitor of the page and knower of its content, it’s not quite “I just found out” it’s more “I just realized we passed June 20 yesterday and therefore Mira should be over”) CreecregofLife (talk) 15:55, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2022
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I found out that Disney has cancelled The Chicken Squad. The last episode aired on April 22, 2022. Can you please add it to the television series endings page? 69.255.225.138 (talk) 22:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah you can't keep going "I just found out" on stuff like this, you need good, reliable and explicit sources. Like, its omission from Disney Junior's slate when they announced the casting of Tony Stark for Spidey and His Amazing Friends (among everything else) isn't enough--CreecregofLife (talk) 23:26, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Updates on the news
editThe deaths page hasn’t been updated in a month can we add more deaths to it 2603:7080:7B42:8C00:4169:973A:E65C:C26 (talk) 22:21, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Sure, if there are sources about those deaths. Historyday01 (talk) 04:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Fixing
editCan someone unprotect the article because we need more information about deaths 2603:7080:7B42:8C00:9918:105:5F37:A81F (talk) 19:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think it is semi-protected because people kept putting in bad edits. That isn't saying that every edit from an IP address, like yours, is bad, its just that some of those with IP addresses have engaged in vandalism, fulfilling what it says on WP:SEMIGUIDE. The protection expires on Dec. 15. In the meantime, if you are so inclined, you could gather information about deaths and prepare it for when semi-protection ends. I didn't see anything on Deaths in 2022 for Dec. yet, nor here. I found one new entry here, which I just added, but everything else seems to be in November or before. Historyday01 (talk) 00:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
2023 in animation
editIs it being made yet as in the article created yet 2603:7080:7B42:8C00:387F:91C6:3678:C24E (talk) 19:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, there's a draft article currently in development, at Draft:2023 in animation Historyday01 (talk) 20:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)