Talk:Sudanese civil war (2023–present)
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On the subject of the ‘Third Civil War?” Question
editJust to start, I don’t believe by Wikipedia’s rules for Common this should be the title. That’s been proven clearly. That’s not up for debate.
I just would like to argue against the notion I saw that either “This isn’t the third civil war because it’s not directly connected to the previous two” OR “It’s not third because Darfur is 3rd, or SPLM-N is third, so the numbering is wrong”.
Let me tackle both of those at once.
The First Sudanese Civil War was about South Sudan wanting either independence or autonomy from the north. They got autonomy, but the North didn’t always respect it and some in the south wanted more. Second civil war was largely about the same issues, ended with an agreement to split the country. During the second civil war other long simmering tensions in Darfur(which had been its own country prior to colonization, in fact it sided with the Central Powers against the British in WW1) boiled over, and taking advantage of the central governments distraction both pro-independence rebels and anti-Darfur militias started fighting, culminating in the genocide.
The War in Darfur was a side front in the Second Sudanese Civil War. It started in 200, a full two years before the main front ended. It also involved a lot of the same issues as the main conflict, Arabs in conflict with Sub Saharan Africans. Hence ‘War in Darfur’ and not ‘Darfur War’, it was part of the larger conflict. You’ve seen this sort of spillover and sub- conflict in other civil wars, both since(Syria had the Isis rising and Kurdish movement alongside the main Assad v Green Rebel war) and before (Russian civil war, too many to list). So this Third Conflict started because of the unresolved issues in Darfur left by the aftermath of the Secokd Civil War’s War in Darfur(which continued after the main peace agreement).
And the southern rebels factions, mainly the SPLM and specifically N, is in the same bucket. They’re fighting for the same cause as the first two wars, joining Sourh Sudan. This is another case of unresolved North-Sourh issues, Second War never fully settled the exact border and the issues of people on the wrong side of the lines. The initial lower intensity fighting following the Second Civil War and the final 2011 treaty ended in 2020, but full scale fighting reopened in the current conflict. It’s the same cause as the last two civil wars, just on a smaller scale in the border regions that never got clean resolution.
I fully agree with keeping the name as is for now, but if and when Third Sudanese Civil War becomes a commonly used name it should be changed. This isn’t secretly the 4th or 5th one. The War in Darfur was a front of the Second Civil War that took longer to end as it didn’t involve the SPLA(who were involved in the 2005 ceasefire). The SPLM-N conflict from 2011-2020 was a continuation of the prior insurgency due to disagreements on the North-South border. Both these unresolved issues left from the Second War boiled over, reopening fighting in both theatres. It’s the Third one. Only difference is now Darfur is the main theater and the Southern Seperatists are the secondary theater taking advantage of the central governments weakness instead of the other way around 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:D501:1090:B90D:9241 (talk) 21:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is just meant to build consensus from a WP:Consistent and Technically/Academically Correct perspective, so when/If the WP:Common swings we can switch without delay 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:D110:5A16:F321:74D9 (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024
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In the section "April 2024-present" the city name El-Fasher is spelled incorrectly in the 3rd paragraph: "On 14 June 2024, the SAF announced that it had killed Ali Yaqoub Gibril, a top RSF commander, in El Fahser." "El Fahser" should be changed to "El Fasher". Andrymio (talk) 07:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Fixed Left guide (talk) 07:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Inclusion of UAE
editI’m pretty it’s already confirmed that the UAE has been sending troops to Sudan to fight with the RSF Imnotarealhumanhehe (talk) 18:20, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- yes it is been confirmed even in the UN and has been condemned by the UK. I have now included FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)