Talk:2024 Copa América

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American English and Date Format

I've noticed that my edits to make the page format to American English word soccer and the month/day/year keeping changing but it was decided that in any event in the United States, we use American formatting. Can we have a discussion here at least to see what's going on? Please try to remain civil and do not hurl insults but explain your position. Thanks. Digitslain12 (talk) 14:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I am in agreement that the format for this tournament, as well as the Copa América Centenario, should use American English and MDY date formatting, following the standards set at 1994 FIFA World Cup and 2026 FIFA World Cup. This of course won't stop any page that doesn't have some kind of protection to being subject to those sorts of regular changes, but it should still be followed per MOS:TIES. Jay eyem (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Since there has, predictably, been some pushback on this point, I have brought it up at WT:FOOTY for additional input. Jay eyem (talk) 18:00, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks man. I'll leave my comment there. Digitslain12 (talk) 19:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

City, State links violating MOS:GEOLINK

I've noticed that when locations are presented as City, State, both the city and state are being linked separately. According to the Manual of Style, only the city should be linked. Is there any objection to unlinking the states, or is there some reason this page should not be following the MOS? Wburrow (talk) 14:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I have always thought it was overkill the way it is done on all these tournament pages. I would support making it align with the MOS. Chris1834 Talk 15:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I've updated this page and the group and final pages to align with MOS:GEOLINK and MOS:NOPIPE as I understand them. Meaning I included the state name/abbr in the link to the city (via redirect if needed, e.g. [[Houston, Texas]] – instead of [[Houston]], Texas or [[Houston|Houston, Texas]] – so that it matches [[Orlando, Florida]].) Wburrow (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment I believed that the United States should be treated differently. The country is too big and too complicated, it is basically a unified Europe in the New World. I reckon we should treat each U.S. state as if it were a country (i.e. link both the city and the state). 120.16.24.116 (talk) 11:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

MOS:GEOLINK says we only only link the city regardless of the larger political entity containing the city. So "Paris, France" is correct while "Paris, France" is incorrect. Wburrow (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it is built right in to the guide. Really isn't anything to debate. Chris1834 Talk 13:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

That's such a stupid rule. What does Green Bay, United States mean to the readers? The only thing we should aviod linking is notable countries (i.e. Paris, France in your example). If we were linking a small city, we should link both the city and state (i.e. Birmingham, Alabama).

Who made that rule? Is there any way we could WP:VOTE and change it? 120.16.11.84 (talk) 21:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

That's not the rule. For Green Bay It is saying to format as Green Bay, Wisconsin, United States rather than Green Bay, Wisconsin, United States or Green Bay, Wisconsin, United States. I believe the idea is that if you are talking about Green Bay, that is the important part. If you want to learn more about Green Bay you can go to that article and learn about where it is and such.

The Manual of Style is a consensus of years of editors. To change the MOS, you would go to the talk page of the MOS and open a discussion like this. You can see that at the top of the page that MOS:GEOLINK directs to. Chris1834 Talk 21:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I agree with the MOS on this one. The state, just like the United States is not the important part. The City is the important part. Chris1834 Talk 21:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I reckon that the state is also important, especially for small cities or towns. People generally don't know where these places are. Only notable countries should be avioded of linking. 120.16.11.84 (talk) 22:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Wrong map

File:Copa América 2024 map.png

The Falkland Islands and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are not parts of Argentina. They shouldn't be coloured blue. 120.16.24.116 11:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, where is Hawaii? 120.16.24.116 (talk) 11:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

This map shows Argentine exceptionalism even if it has the Falkland Islands and South Georgia in hash stripes. The map shows no other territorial claims such as Venezuela's claim to half of Guyana that nearly triggered a war last year, or Guatemala's ongoing claims to Belize. We would lose nothing from scrubbing those islands off the map completely. No Argentine players come from the 2,000 British citizens on the Falklands, and certainly not from the transient scientific population of South Georgia. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I support removing the disputed territories from the map. They don't affect the football and aren't always included in maps of South America on Wikipedia anyway. For example, the map at Copa América Centenario#Draw (File:Copa_América_Centenario_map.png) is the same but the one at Copa América Centenario#Group stage (File:Copa_America_Centenario_Map.svg) does not include them and the map at 2015 Copa América#Teams (File:Copa_América_Chile_2015.png) has the Falklands in grey and not as part of Argentina. I think removing them simplifies things and maintains a neutral view point because we aren't suggesting they are or are not part of any particular country. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 12:20, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the ranking method

I can't find the heading for the ranking method in the group stage, where is it?

From: Japan

(From:Japanese Article Author） Weathermania5 (talk) 16:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I just added the Tiebreakers for group round standings - is that what you're looking for? Wburrow (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes.Thanks Weathermania5 (talk) 18:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Full ranking from 1st to 16th place

Hey all, I was checking the regulations and in articles 25 and 28 it comes up that CONMEBOL makes an official ranking of Copa América spanning from 1st to 16th place -- should this table be included in the article?

Link to the regulations: https://cdn.conmebol.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/CONMEBOL-Copa-America-2024-Regulations__ENG-.pdf BochiBochiGalaxy (talk) 03:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Why is it in French?

If it's being hosted in USA why is their French by the title? French isn't an official language of the USA. 68.189.2.14 (talk) 14:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Just speculating, but maybe it's because a participant country (Canada) does have French as an "official" language. Neither English nor Spanish nor any other language is an "official" language in the United States. 1995hoo (talk) 15:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

ENGVAR

Putting this here, even though I don’t think it’s strictly necessary, so that I don’t get accused of bad faith or some such. This article is tagged with "use American English," yet certain users are insisting on inserting British spelling and punctuation (e.g., "play-off"—American English doesn’t hyphenate that word) and have reverted my correction of those spellings on the basis that there is a "practice" of spelling them that way in other Copa America articles. I respectfully disagree. There is no "practice"—the other articles are not tagged for American English, so they take whatever variety was used first. The one article about an edition of this tournament that was tagged for American English was the 2016 edition, so I went ahead and corrected that one as well. Most likely the use of Britishisms there was a function of someone either not noticing the tag or not caring, both of which we all know are quite common on Wikipedia. (Put differently, a "practice" in articles that do not call for a particular variety of English does not take precedence over a tag requiring a particular variety. You don’t start calling a truck a "lorry" in an article tagged for American English—except, of course, in a quote from a Brit or in a situation where you’re citing the British term to help unfamiliar readers—just because some other article uses the British word.) 1995hoo (talk) 13:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Apart from the constant replacing of "soccer" with "football" and the date formatting, I have not really paid much attention to these changes. I actually did not realize this distinction existed for this particular case until now. Will be on the lookout for that in the future. But yes, as we have previously established, the two tournaments being played in the US should use American English. Jay eyem (talk) 05:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Mention that the Copa América final was delayed by 75 minutes.

Mention that the Copa América final was delayed by 75 minutes. Abhiramakella (talk) 01:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, I fixed it. Abhiramakella (talk) 01:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Fair play award

I don't think there was actually any fair play award. The source listed for all the awards (https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/soccer/news/copa-america-golden-ball-who-won-player-tournament-mvp-glove-boot/919db45959e9bdabd8b804db) says nothing about this award, and the official site (https://copaamerica.com/en/news/page/1) has news about all the other awards but no mention of this one.

Actual source for this might be this tweet (https://x.com/LaCosmoRevista/status/1812705385561674155?t=V_Y3NKgGRn-PHfDi5amcRQ) from a self-described parody magazine. 2600:4041:442D:2700:D80D:24B5:6C1C:1051 (talk) 17:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)