Talk:25th Hour

Thesis

I wrote a thesis comparing the movie and the book by Benioff and added some references to the article. Although I don't think X-Men plays a great role for the movie, one must acknowledge the fact that Monty quotes the movie by saying that he wants to be "the girl from X-men who can walk through walls." Ironically, Anna Paquin who plays Jacob Elinsky's high school Lolita, plays that girl in X-Men in the the X-Men movie. That's a fact and it's undisputable. Draw your own conclusions, I suggest.

No Anna Paquin plays Rogue in X-Men. The X-man (or woman who walks through walls is Kitty Pryde.04:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It is a fact that there are many linkages between "25th Hour" and the X-Men comic books. In my opinion, the Trivia section on the X-Men should remain.

Where has anyone else commented on this or found it notable to bother discussing? Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. Rebecca 03:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

"Made up in school one day"? I didn't make this up. Take a look for yourself, and you'll see the connections. In the long run, it might have little importance. But I'm just noting that this is a peculiar fact between the two subjects. I don't think it hurts anyone if these connections are mentioned.

Yes, it has little importance. This is an encyclopedia. Things of little importance to do not go in an enyclopedia. Rebecca 03:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Again, I don't believe it hurts anyone if these connections are mentioned. That's all I'm saying.

Rebecca, I really don't understand why you object so much to the references to X-Men. I'm certainly not devoting an ENTIRE section to this. I'm simply putting it under the Trivia section. If you yourself would like to add something to this Trivia section, I would be more than happy to take a look at it.

It is an encyclopedia article. Trivia does not belong in an encyclopedia article. The article didn't need a trivia section before, and it still doesn't now. Rebecca 04:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, then, what do you make of other Wikipedia movie articles that DO have trivia in them? Last time I checked, articles on The Matrix, The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, Crash, Traffic, and Hero have all had trivia sections in them.

Life is too short for me to engage in this frivolous debate with you, Rebecca. I'm moving on. My advice to you: Get a life.

I'm not sure how relevant this is, but the synopsis isn't quite accurate about how the film begins. Strictly speaking the movie begins with the main character and a russian criminal companion getting out of their vehicle and arguing what to do with an abandoned and beaten dog. Or more flexibly, post-credit/New York tower of light sequence: the movie begins with the main character walking the previously referenced dog (After arrest, conviction, etc.). I've noticed articles like Syriana don't adhere strictly to the order that the plot is actually presented in, but the bust and post-bust interrogation is presented in flashbacks. Not as an initial linearly presented plot item as the synopsis seems to suggest. --68.148.209.197 00:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - the synopsis (well, Plot Summary) needs a LOT of work. Correction and well, major expansion in my opinion. Irritatingly there seems to be a lack of complete summarys for this film on the internet, so maybe someone with the DVD could finnish it? Also some trivia and DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE FILM AND THE BOOK are required. Again, someone who owns the novel could do this? Chipstick

What's wrong with the summary as it is (apart from being brief)? I've got the DVD, so I may be able to help. Rebecca 23:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Ending

I truly believe that the ending of this movie is open to interpretation. The summary says he wakes up Monty is going to prison, but I feel that he wakes up and THEN he has a decision to make: go to prison, or try to run away. 65.219.235.164 04:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree. The film ends with Monty asleep in the car, true. But the external shot shows the car on a non-descript road - it's unclear as to whether they've simple continued toward prison or if they've crossed the GW Bridge and headed west. 72.137.243.196 18:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

They are driving away from the bridge in the last scene, not on it. If you listen to the DVD commentary during that very scene, Spike Lee states that he went away to prison. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.217.126.77 (talk) 05:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Joint?

I can't figure out of this is short for something like 'jointproduced film' or if it was just vandalized to have that there. Tyciol (talk) 08:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Spike Lee refers to all of his movies as "A Spike Lee Joint". It's in the title credits if you watch the movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.133.184 (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

"Movie" is the correct term. I'm changing it. 75.45.98.16 (talk) 21:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

References to use

• Aftab, Kaleem (2005). "The 25th Hour". Spike Lee: That's My Story and I'm Sticking To It. Faber and Faber. ISBN 978-0-571-22040-3.
• Caster, Peter (2010). "'I Learned Prison Is a Bad Place to Be': 25th Hour and Reimagining Incarceration". In Dale, Timothy M.; Foy, Joseph J. (eds.). Homer Simpson Marches on Washington: Dissent through American Popular Culture. The University Press of Kentucky. pp. 111–124. ISBN 978-0-8131-2580-0.
• Conard, Mark T. (2011). "Aristotle and MacIntyre on Justice in 25th Hour". In Conard, Mark T (ed.). The Philosophy of Spike Lee. The Philosophy of Popular Culture. The University Press of Kentucky. ISBN 978-0-8131-3380-5.
• Ercel, Erkan (2008). "Act 14: Spike Lee's 25th Hour". In Isin, Engin F.; Nielsen, Greg Marc (eds.). Acts of Citizenship. Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 978-1-84277-951-4.
• Hoth, Stefanie (2008). "Witnessing the Catastrophe: The Media-Specific Staging of 9/11 in Monica Ali's Brick Lane and Spike Lee's 25th Hour". In Ekman, Ulrik; Tygstrup, Frederick (eds.). Witness: Memory, Representation, And the Media in Question. Museum Tusculanum. ISBN 978-8763504256.
• Keller, Sarah (2008). "Outside the Source: Credit Sequences in Spike Lee's Malcolm X and 25th Hour". In Kranz, David L.; Mellerski, Nancy C. (eds.). In/fidelity: Essays on Film Adaptation. Cambridge Scholars Pub. ISBN 978-1-84718-402-3.
• O'Neill, Patricia (2004). "Where Globalization and Localization Meet: Spike Lee's The 25th Hour". CineAction (64). ISSN 0826-9866. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
• Pomerance, Murray (2007). City That Never Sleeps: New York and the Filmic Imagination. Rutgers University Press. ISBN 978-0-8135-4032-0.
• Smith, Derik (2012). True Terror: The Haunting of Spike Lee's 25th Hour. Vol. 45. pp. 1–16. doi:10.1353/afa.2012.0004. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
• Young, Alison (2009). The Scene of Violence: Cinema, Crime, Affect. Routledge-Cavendish. ISBN 978-0-415-49071-9.

References to use. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:07, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

• Back Door Blues at Salon.com
• Finest Hour at DVD Talk
• Spike Lee's love poem to New York at San Francisco Gate
• Spike Lee's "Uniquely American [Di]vision" at Bright Lights Film Journal
• 25th Hour Soundtrack at SoundtrackNet
• One More Hour at The Guardian
• 25th Hour at The Guardian
• An Interview with Spike Lee at IGN
• Terence Blanchard on Scoring Spike Lee Joints at NPR
• Head-on Spike Lee says 'Hour' is at hand at USA Today
• Ghosts of New York at The Guardian

More references to use. Erik (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Cliches

It's always interesting (yet slightly nauseating) how many H/wood movies use Russian mafia as the bugbear... 212.188.109.145 (talk) 22:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This is not a discussion forum. Please limit your commentary to the improvement of the article.  Xihr  00:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Plot

Re: the final scene: critic Mick LaSalle wrote, "And the film concludes beautifully, with a vision of an idyllic Middle America as only a New Yorker could dream it." I didn't actually add 500 words to the plot summary, but rather than revising piecemeal I merely copied and pasted an older version of the final paragraph and tweaked it slightly. Beadmatrix (talk) 06:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)Beadmatrix

9/11?

Should either more detail be added to the plot summary, or perhaps another separate section added, making a little more explicit what this film has to do with 9/11? The entry as it currently stands is not very useful at all in that regard, despite linking to "List of cultural references to the September 11 attacks" ... Although it briefly mentions that Spike Lee "decided to integrate 9/11 into the story," I still don't really get it