Talk:2K (company)

R* & 2K

For sure, Rockstar Games and 2K Games are both subsidiaries of Take-Two Interactive. But neither is 2K a subsidiary of R*, nor is R* a subsidiary of 2K. Both companies stand to each other as sister companies. The same with Global Star Software, Joytech and Jack Of All Games. –jello ¿? 23:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

2K is a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive. Rockstar Games isn't the owner of 2K, its 2K's sister Tanisho4Real (talk) 10:17, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

The 2K brand

Since 2007 2K Games have been purely labelled as 2K when published. Shouldn't this be noted in the article? You buy games from "2K", not "2K Games" these days. EMU-LMAO (talk) 18:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

We would need a published reliable source stating that. --Enric Naval (talk) 18:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You really need a source when every game they release clearly shows the single image "2K" all over the box and no "Games" when it isn't part of the sports line-up? Or a source is actually needed to somehow literally verify that their head office only goes by "2K" now? I wsn't even right, it goes as far back as 2006. Since when do large corporations, like Take 2, even announce every branding change?

Wikipedia must be awful picky to literally need to make the obvious into an extreme exercise like that. Couldn't you just link to any product they release within the last two (2) years just to accomplish this amazing feat? The boxes say 2K now, what is so difficult? I am quite positive you can see this extraordinary change on any related article.

Ironically, the very image that show the change you want is being used on the page for 2K Games. EMU-LMAO (talk) 04:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

R* Games games are labelled with a logo that shows no "Games", too, but the company & label is still named R* Games, as is 2K Games. The contacts page at Take2Games.com states "2K Games", too. That they use the short form "2K" equals the use of "Rockstar"/"R*" for those games. –^(de)jello ¿? 20:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

They no longer use "Games" as you can see on the Contacts page you brought. Futhermore, 2kgames.com redirects to 2k.com and "Games" is nowhere to be found there as well. Debeet (talk) 03:55, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

The corporate name is still "2K Games, Inc." regardless of how they short hand it in marketing material. A quick research shows corporate listings/filings show it this way, and many stores list the full name as well. -- ferret (talk) 12:53, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, this isn't a Marvelous or Bandai Namco type of name change, where they clearly announced it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:39, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Most recent source (6 February 2016) from their official website still says "2K Games, Inc.": [1], so, regardles of how they advertize themselves, it is still "2K Games, Inc.", though you may just put "commonly referred to as 2K". Lordtobi (✉) 09:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, we go by commmon name, not by the official name. The official name of a company is usually the first words of the lead section (as is here), while the article's title is name by which the company is most commonly referred to. We do have a source that refers to the company only as "2K": [2]. However, is this the common name? I would expect "2K Games" is more common, but I have no idea how to figure that out. Regardless, it would be easier to be a bit more specific so we don't have to use an ugly disambiguator: "2K (company)" ~Mable (chat) 10:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

The 2K brand divides in three studios: the 2K Games, the 2K Play andar 2K Sports. For reasons unknown they publish their games with the use of 2K. Still, they have a president for the 3 studios. Its only a question of organization. Tanisho4Real (talk) 10:21, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Also, its more than time to create a Hangar 13 wikipedia page. I can help with anything. Tanisho4Real (talk) 10:23, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

@YouHateThePlayer: Please do not try to split this page to 2K (Company) without discussion, especially as this talk session does not indicate any sort of consensus to do so. (Other editors: Please note talk section at YouHateThePlayer about multiple accounts, including Tanisho4Real above). -- ferret (talk) 12:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Everyone, I actually WORK at 2K. I know what that means in terms of what I can / can't contribute. Just wanted to add some clarity here, if possible. The company is called, "2K" by everyone - both internally and within the game industry. That's how it's been identified for years now. It's just "2K" that publishes our titles - including the sports ones. I tried making those factual changes to the Wikipedia page, but ferret (talk) shut down my corrections and directed me here. What is the best, next step to getting this Wikipedia page corrected and brought up to speed? Because, to be honest, there's more missing / updated information I'd like to see about getting included. GizmoGladstone (talk) 15:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)GizmoGladstone

Please read over WP:COMMONNAME. A quick Google News search shows that sources still commonly refer to the company as "2K Games", while legal cases clearly show the company name is legally still "2K Games, Inc". So while the brand name may be "2K", the common name for the company and topic remains "2K Games". -- ferret (talk) 16:22, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Changes at Take-Two Interactive

If you go to http://www.take2games.com they now describe their "labels" as:

The Rockstar Games label was founded in 1998 to create the most innovative and progressive interactive entertainment. Publishers of such popular game franchises as Grand Theft Auto, Midnight Club, Red Dead Redemption, Max Payne, Bully, Manhunt and more.

Founded in 2005, 2K publishes titles in today's most popular gaming genres, including shooters, action, role-playing, strategy, sports, casual, and family entertainment. 2K's stable of high quality titles includes the critically acclaimed BioShock®, Borderlands™ and XCOM® franchises, the beloved Sid Meier's Civilization series, the popular WWE 2K franchise and NBA 2K, the #1 rated and #1 selling basketball franchise.

Private Division is a developer-focused publisher that empowers independent studios to develop the games that they are passionate about creating, while providing the support that they need to make their titles critically and commercially successful on a global scale. The label publishes Kerbal Space Program and will publish upcoming titles with renowned creative talent at studios including Obsidian Entertainment, The Outsiders, Panache Digital Games, and V1 Interactive.

• The drop-down menus at http://take2games.com/games/ separates their product into 2K and Rockstar Games, with the 2K divided into "2K Games, 2K Play and 2K Sports".
• There is no mention of "2K Games, Inc. " according to the 2K website at https://2k.com : it displays "Copyright ©2017 Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc". There is no longer any mention of "2K Games, Inc. " at either the Take-Two or 2K websites.

It seems that "2K Games, Inc. " has been dropped in favour of "Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc", and "2K Games" is restricted to 2K titles outside of their 2K Play and 2K Sports titles. The article should be updated to reflect these changes. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 02:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

[Sniff] I smell original research here; as you point out correctly, '2K [is] divided into "2K Games, 2K Play and 2K Sports"', where 2K Games, 2K Play and 2K Sports each are their own incorporated companies (according to the SOS of California, 2K Games, Inc. is still active under their corporate laws). The company we have here, 2K Games, was established in 2005 and has 2K Play and 2K Sports historically suborganized as subsidiaries (because Take-Two formerly did not use "2K" to brand all their products), just because Take-Two decided to simplify this to "2K" now (while 2K Games is still a subcomponent of it) does not mean that the original company has been deestablished; they could also replace Rockstar Games with a brand named "Rockstar" (they don't because Rockstar Energy holds the "Rockstar" trademark in tge U.S.), but would still have Rockstar Games as the publishing company, and Rockstar North et al. as developers. Similarly, the footers on Rockstar's website also say "(c) Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.", rather than "(c) Rockstar Games, Inc.".

Unless we have discrete proof that 2K Games, Inc. and the "2K Games" name as a whole have been disestablished (that is, it is either obvious without much OR, or covered in secondary sources), we should keep on using 2K Games as it used to be. The only thing we could do is stating that the "2K" brand is often used to refer to 2K Games and its 2K Play and 2K Sports subsidiaries. Lordtobi (✉) 07:19, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

How is it OR when you're simply reflecting what it says on their websites? My only OR is that this seems to represent a change, but if the article was being written today it would respect theses sources which would be uncontroversial. Secondary sources would be great, but what if they're not available? "2K Games, Inc." may still exist as a wholly owned subsidiary, but Take-Two are very much playing down its existence, and as a wholly owned subsidiary there is little in the way of reliability that can be gained from sources, as these may be out of date. The earlier source you mentioned [3] does mention "2K Games, Inc.": but at the bottom it merely says " 2K Sports (“2K”), a wholly owned subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc."

I think the key here is to try to incorporate these sources to try to bring some consistency to the article to reflect these current sources. Even if it is basically marketing it should be reflected in the article. I'm not saying we should disregard other sources but try to reflect all sources. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 10:47, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

The major problem really is that Take-Two gives mixed signals regarding what is simply "2K" and what is not, and it appears that both of us interpret the available content differently. As I understand: Take-Two uses the "2K" brand to describe the three companies, 2K Games, 2K Sports and 2K Play; all of these are active companies with executive and creative management, while "2K" is no more than a trademark acting as advertising standpoint for these three companies. Hence, this article is about the company "2K Games", which is still active under the laws of California and is known to us as the company behind the "2K Games" name, which does not really seem to have changed (footers saying Take-Two are not really an indication that anything has changed, just that they streamlined the websites somewhat). The again, what exactly would you want to change? Remove all traces of "2K Games" in favor of "2K"? That would be wrong as, like you pointed out, 2K Sports is also part of the 2K brand and would effectively have to be merged into here. As long as reliable sources talk about "2K Games", we also do, and the only thing that would really change, if at all, would be "2K Games, Inc." -> "2K Games, Inc., doing business as 2K". Lordtobi (✉) 12:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

How about something along these lines? The lead could be rewritten thus:

2K Games, Inc., or 2K, is an American video game publisher, a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive. They release games under the 2K Games, 2K Sports and 2K Play labels. Notable series include Borderlands, Civilization, The Darkness, BioShock, NBA 2K and WWE 2K. It was created on January 25, 2005 after Take-Two acquired developer Visual Concepts, and its wholly owned subsidiary Kush Games, from Sega for US$24 million. The name "2K Games" comes from Visual Concepts' sports game lineup, typically referred to as the 2K series.

References

I think this covers the bases so to speak, by introducing the currently marketed name of "2K" while also acknowledging "2K Games, Inc." sources. It also explains the three 2K labels they separate games into, which I think will help to clarify matters. The rest is minor c/e. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't it factually wrong to say that 2K Games publishes under all three names? As outlined previously, the three have different managements; 2K Play is even located in a different country. I suppose we could create a new article (or a sub-section in Take-Two's article) for "2K" as the brand, which covers the three companies, but strictly outlines that these are different companies, of which two are subsidiaries of 2K Games? But else, it would be hard to introduce such information to the reader without having COI or OR in place (not to metion this needs an RS). Additionally, I am looking to rewrite some, if not all, of the Take-Two-related articles [starting with the Rockstar Games-related ones I have already done, except for Rockstar Games themselves] to a post-stub state, where about everything is sourced (looking at the three articles of interest, they are in an overall pretty bad shape). Lordtobi (✉) 17:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Well it would be consistent with the lead as current. It says Notable titles include Borderlands, Civilization, The Darkness, BioShock, NBA 2K and WWE 2K.. Now NBA 2K and WWE 2K are both 2K Sports titles. If "2K Games, Inc." excludes NBA 2K and WWE 2K why are they included?

Anyway I think sources support "2K" as including the three labels. As "2K Games, Inc." no longer is used in marketing it's not altogether clear it's extent. But this source here [4] [5] identifies "2K Games, Inc." with the 2K Sports title "NBA 2K17 and NBA 2K18". So this is supported by sources, at least for the sports titles. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 22:19, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that Take-Two outright remove everything "2K Games", e.g. if you take a look at their games page (which you linked before), the three "2K Games", "2K Sports" and "2K Play" logos appear clearly visible. Just because a few sources mix that up does not mean they are correct (remember the Rockstar Japan debacle?); we should know better, per previous sources outlining 2K Sports handling Sports-related titles. Why it says that NBA 2K is published by 2K Games is a mystery to me, but again, I look forward to rewriting stuff anyway at some point, to some extent. And given that "2K" (the brand comprising all three publishers) and "2K Games" (one of the publishers) is confused by encyclopedians and journalists alike, I would still propose adding a line regarding the brand -- 2K -- as being used in marketing to refer to all studio covered under 2K Games, 2K Play, 2K Sports. Once I find the time, I will look for precise sources detailing this. Lordtobi (✉) 08:48, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

We're going around in circles. Your conflating "2K Games, Inc." with "2K Games" while this is every indication, including RS, that they mean different things. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:48, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't think they are different, and you yet haven't really proven otherwise. It has always been that 2K Games, Inc. is a video game publisher that publishes under the 2K Games label; all games published under the 2K Sports and 2K Play labels are published by 2K Sports, Inc. and 2K Play Inc., respectively. This is evident from older sources outlining the label's establishment and development, while there are close-to-zero sources presenting something like what you are pointing out. Lordtobi (✉) 17:29, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I removed conflicting statements regarding the series they publish from the article for now, to avoid reader confusion while this discussion is going. Lordtobi (✉) 17:33, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

You're editing against RS here: see [6] and [7] which both credit "2K Games, Inc." as developing the NBA 2K games. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 17:45, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I doubt that either of these sources is considered reliable by our project. Also, our article says 2K Sports. I bet you will easily find a few dozen sources saying that 2K Sports is responsible for these; let's see; from my first search page: [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17]. Plus, all of these vendors are considered reliable per WP:VG/RS. That a few, for us unnotable, sources get it wrong does not mean we as an encyclopedia should. Lordtobi (✉) 17:52, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

How about this? https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=24600285

2K Games, Inc. Announces Availability of NBA 2KVR Experience Nov 21 16

2K Games, Inc. has announced the availability of NBA 2KVR Experience, the first virtual reality basketball game immersing players in a new, entertaining NBA environment filled with the sights and sounds of fun mini-games and challenges. Available beginning on November 22, 2016 on PlayStationVR, HTC Vive and Samsung Gear VR, the new experience continues the dominance of the NBA 2K series. In the NBA 2KVR Experience, players will join NBA 2K17 cover athlete and All-Star Paul George, as they step onto the court at the Indiana Pacers' stadium, Bankers Life Fieldhouse.

How many sources do you need? --Jules (Mrjulesd) 17:55, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

So you found one source? This is also an excerpt from a press release: It appears that this particular game was actually published by 2K Games, as it was not developed by Visual Concepts. (Their about page reads "The Award-winning developers of 2K Sports are known for their innovation, unparalleled realism, and commitment to delivering the best sports simulation gaming experience to consumers. 2K Sports is the publishing label for Visual Concepts Entertainment, located in Novato, California.") And yes, 2K Sports is division/subsidiary of 2K Games (see e.g. [18] [19] [20]), which has apparently been "singled out" in 2007.[21] I don't really know where this source war is suppose to lead us, as we are constantly saying "the sports titles are [not] by 2K Games", instead of focusing on the entities themselves. Eespecially if you consider the last of my sources in this comment, we have more distinct proff that the two are different rather than the same. Lordtobi (✉) 18:10, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Because there is every indication that 2K and 2K Games Inc. are the same entity. That would make 2K Sports a label of 2K (=2K Games, Inc.). See https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=24600285

2K Games, Inc. develops and publishes interactive entertainment games for console systems, handheld gaming systems, and personal computers that include smartphones and tablets. The company publishes titles in various gaming genres, including shooters, action, role-playing, strategy, sports, casual, and family entertainment. Its products are delivered through physical retail, digital download, online platforms, and cloud streaming services in the United States and internationally. 2K Games, Inc. also offers its products through its online store, as well as offers apparel and accessories for men and women. The company was incorporated in 2004 and is based in Novato, California. 2K Games, Inc. ...

www.2k.com

2K Games, Inc. Key Developments

Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Appoints David Ismailer as New President of 2K May 31 17

Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. announced that David Ismailer has been appointed as the new President of 2K. Mr. Ismailer began working with Take-Two in 2002 as Vice President and Senior Counsel. Mr. Ismailer began working with Take-Two in 2002 as Vice President and Senior Counsel. In 2005, the year that 2K was formed, he was appointed the label’s Chief Operating Officer and Senior Vice President of Publishing Operations. Prior to joining Take-Two, he was an attorney at Morrison Cohen, where he practiced M&A and intellectual property law.

--Jules (Mrjulesd) 18:25, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I am not saying that 2K Games is not sometimes also referred to as 2K, and it says pretty clearly in a couple of sources I provided (in case you haven't even taken a look at them) that "2K Sports is a division of 2K, a publishing label of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc." A division thereby is "not the exact same", but rather an unincorporated, management-separated fraction of a legally incorporated company. Aka Division ≠ Parent company, but Division ⊆ Parent company. Such is The Sims Studio a division of Electronic Arts, though they are not the same; Bethesda Game Studios a division of Bethesda Softworks, though they are not the same; and lastly 2K Sports a division of 2K Games (or "2K"). 2K Play, on the other hand, is an incorporated subsidiary of 2K Games under the laws of Ontario. Lordtobi (✉) 18:36, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

In that case why remove the sports games? [22] The article is clearly about 2K (i.e. 2K Games, Inc.), not the 2K Games label. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 18:47, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Didn't I just say that 2K Sports is a self-administered division? 2K Games, Inc. does not publish Visual Concepts-developed titles, their division 2K Sports does. 2K Games does only publish under their own label (and sometimes the simplified "2K" label), but the "2K Sports" label is operated by the 2K Sports division, and the "2K Play" label by the 2K Play subsidiary. According to our article, Jason Argent and Greg Thomas are responsible for 2K Sports business decisions, the heads of 2K Games (David Ismailer) usually do not have much interference with 2K Sports, and are more representative to it (as is the Queen with Canada, although it has political influence in the UK to some extent). Lordtobi (✉) 19:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Again you're ignoring sources that I have put forward. As this is going nowhere I'll have to think about how to address this, I have a strong feeling that input from other editors is required here but I'm not totally sure on how to do this. Would you agree to return to the status quo, ie. this edit here [23] until I've considered my options a little more? --Jules (Mrjulesd) 19:04, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I am not ignoring sources you have put forward, though you have presented three sources: Two unreliable ones, and one "snapshot" page with extracts of press releases; two of these do not even mention "2K Sports", however, the iTech Post article says "2K Sports, a division of 2K Games, [...]", which again gives us a division claim. Your only argument appears to be that 2K Sports is not a division of 2K Games but rather a label 2K Games, Inc. uses itself to publish sports games under (which is, factually, not even wrong, since 2K Sports is a division of 2K Games, Inc.), but you are basically adhering that "2K Sports" as such does not exist, and that is simply incorrect. You have not provided any source, at all, that states that 2K Sports is not a division, but are instead restating that I and my 10+ sources, that do outline 2K Sports being a division, amongst your own source that does as well, are wrong. If you wish to include other editors, sure, but since 2K Sports is (or should be) independently notable from 2K Games, I highly doubt that the outcome will be much different. Lordtobi (✉) 19:13, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Merging all the 2K labels into one

I was thinking it will be nice to merge the sub-labels into one and rename the page simply 2K and not 2K Games. my apologize if this topic is not new.BBMatBlood (talk) 03:09, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Aside from the fact that the page "2K" already exists and the resulting merged page would have to carry an ugly parenthetical disambiguator, I don't see how we would anyhow benefit from that merger. All three pages are in a good start-class conditions, a merger would just clump them together in seperate sections. Plus, we would be required to talk about the history of the brand before the publishers were established (as part of Visual Concepts and Sega), which I found to be difficult to source in the past. So no, better not merge. Lordtobi (✉) 06:41, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Alright Lord, No problem. and Thanks for the great reply BBMatBlood (talk) 07:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

"Sponsored by 2K Games Inc."https://wwe.2k.com/milliondollarchallenge/rules/ you are totally right Lord.BBMatBlood (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Well you could also check that "2K Games, Inc." is the only company active in California. "2K, Inc." is only registered in Delaware and probably inactive. The latter also goes for "2KSports, Inc." (without space, yuck!) and "2K Play, Inc." which are only reigstered in New York despite sitting in Cal. Also described frequently as "divisions" in practically all sources. Lordtobi (✉) 18:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Nice and cool. I also dont like the no spacing in 2KSports haha. Great one Lord and Thanks BBMatBlood (talk) 08:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

They own all things 2K and it simply known as 2K in everything including annual report forms. It would be good to consider merging all the various 2K into one plus Take-Two is also known as T2/Take 2/Take-Two. 217.114.161.20 (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Have you checked any of the above comments? "2K, Inc." is not active in California, just Delaware likely as a placeholder company. 2K Games, Inc. is the legal entity active in California and thereby this publisher. Lordtobi (✉) 21:35, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Rockstar Games Inc. is Rockstar Games as well on their website, forms,games etc. that not the same for any of the 2K (Games, Sports, Play- the last one does not even make games anymore).I think a vote is needed to finally clear this. Not trying to fight with you.217.114.161.20 (talk) 21:41, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Referred to as 2K Games, Inc. in legalities such as this. "2K" is the brand used by the publisher "2K Games", which is discussed in this article. If I were to guess, Rockstar Games is not usually referred to as simply Rockstar in public statements because there is already another company of that name. Lordtobi (✉) 21:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Everyone calls them Rockstar Games nonetheless unlike 2K Games- the 2K name is registered mark of Take-Two- and as of 2016 the Rockstar name is also registered mark of Take-Two (like Apple Inc and Apple Corp) hence the reason they have a subsidiary incorporated as Rockstar Interactive d/b/a Rockstar India and the collaborative banner Rockstar Studios. Rockstar Energy is unknown and Take-Two owning the Rockstar mark even make them totally obsolete. And lastly on the about us in my own words- Take-Two develop and publish through the following subsidiaries: Rockstar Games and 2K (not 2K Games), as well as new Private Divsion label and Social Point, a leading developer of mobile games (I am waiting for the day Social Point is renamed T2M (Take-Two Mobile)) -217.114.161.20 (talk) 21:54, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Check T2 Biosystems Inc., there were founded in 2005 and their share price is TTOO meanwhile Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. founded in 1993 have registered marks for anything called T2, Take-Two, and Take 2. With their share price symbol as TTWO (as in T and TWO).217.114.161.20 (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

All of your comments presently make the impression of original research, a big no-no for Wikipedia. Other than that, you are mostly guessing a lot of things so it fits your perspective. The "Rockstar" trademark is, in fact, owned by Rockstar Industries LLC, not Take-Two. Lordtobi (✉) 22:00, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

You think you simply won the arguement because another big time registered editor locked the page from any great addition. plus the trademarks own by that company is for waters. Take-Two own the entertainment (registered) marks for all things Rockstar which is known by all as Rockstar Games and also incorporated as Rockstar Games, Inc. Take-Two also owns the entertainment (registered)marks to all things 2K which is known by all as 2K and it also shown on parent's website, financials, annual forms, about us, logos, cover pages etc. lastly 2K is incorporated as three companies: 2K Games, Inc., 2K Sports Inc., and 2K Play, Inc. (based in Canada?) the last one does not even publish games under the "2K Play" name anymore and now simply also 2K. That me done here. I guess wikipedia does not like the facts.217.114.161.20 (talk) 22:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Multiple discrepancies. Take-Two owns trademarks related to "Rockstar" but not the wordmark "Rockstar" itself, which you claim to know but apparently didn't check. Furthermore, 2K Play is not based in Canada. They might have consumed the assets of Global Star, but even Global Star was based in New York near its end, and 2K Play is a division (i.e. not incorporated) operated by guys under the 2K Games roof in Novato. Their annual reports also still mentioned 2K Games, Inc. If you so please, make yourself familiar with our verifiability guidelines at WP:V/WP:RS, instead of calling your guessing factual. Lordtobi (✉) 22:20, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

guessing factual? it clearly seen on their website take2games.com on the front page our labels, the investors page, on their annual reports (which state four publishing labels- Rockstar Games, 2K, Private Division (yet to be incorporated but have 4 offices in different cities around the US and World) and Social Point). I am not guessing or joking. 217.114.161.20 (talk) 22:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

"Principal offices" of their newest annual report still lists 2K Games and 2K Sports in Novato. As stated prior, 2K is the label, 2K Games is the publisher. Lordtobi (✉) 22:33, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

With all these dispute on whether it 2K or 2K Games or 2K Games/2K Sports/2K Play should all merge wont a vote be needed like AT&T WarnerMedia (the Warner Media or WarnerMedia dispute was a fun time haha). Lord?BBMatBlood (talk) 22:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Ghost Story Games should be under Take-Two Interactive NOT 2K Games

I spoke with them,

"Take-Two owns many publishers. Ourselves, 2K, Rockstar, and Private Division."

Which means they went up to the main parent. Ghost Story is daughter of Take-Two, not 2K again legal separate companies, who here doesnt understand M&A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetechwizard21 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

"2K" – reconciliation

After some time to think about it, I got back to researching this. TTWO's 2009 through 2012 annual reports consistently read:

Our business consists of our wholly-owned labels Rockstar Games and 2K, which publishes its titles under 2K Games, 2K Sports and 2K Play.

(emphasis mine)

Then, consistently from 2013 onwards, "2K Games" becomes a footnote under "Principal Operating Offices" alongside 2K Sports; 2K Play completely vanished. Back when we were arguing this, I used a lot (and I mean A LOT) of original research to back up my stance. I didn't know better but I was greatly supported. In the same original research, the individual studios are split up between the three labels; all of them are referred to as "2K studios", not adhering to any specific label, and sources don't put it this way either. What's more, 2K has completely scrapped the "2K Games" and "2K Sports" names, instead, all boxes simply since mid-2013 simply show "2K".

To avoid as much original research as possible, I plan to do a 180 and merge the three articles. This would include merging the histories and add an explanation of the present situation, creating a single list for all 2K studios, and renaming this article to simply "2K (company)". Unless there are significant arguments against this move, I will proceed with is sometime this weekend. Lordtobi (✉) 23:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Lordtobi That is a great idea, this will prevent future arguments regarding 2K. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 15:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• Saw no opposition so I did this boldly. I still dislike the parenthetical disambiguator but there would've been no way to avoid that. Lordtobi (✉) 20:27, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

• @IceWelder: - Hi! Extremely late to this discussion, but I am wondering if we should change "2K Games" to just "2K" in the infobox of various 2K games as well. Currently Marvel's Midnight Suns is the only 2K games that only simply list 2K in its infobox. OceanHok (talk) 14:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

  They started retiring the sub-brands around 2018-ish. When a game was published by a sub-brand, it should have that in the infobox. All that are published by just "2K" should list that. IceWelder [✉] 16:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Label

The article title is disambiguated with "(company)", but it appears more like a label. Also publishing label might be more accurate in the lead. IgelRM (talk) 05:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

It has its own management, own officies, own staff, etc., so "(company)" seems apt. It is also a fairly standard disambiguator; I don't feel like it needs changing. IceWelder [✉] 07:12, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

All this may also be the case for divisions. Reliable sources refer to Take-Two's label structure. I'm leaning towards (company) feeling too inaccurate or original. As it is, (company) suggests an independent business, not a label/division (or maybe subsidiary). IgelRM (talk) 01:17, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

No, it suggests that it is a company; not more, not less. Companies may be coporately owned, and this one is. It is also not a division, being separately incorporated in two states. "(label)" is merely more restrictive, and some people might infer the classic definition (a brand name with no separate business behind it) from it. IceWelder [✉] 05:07, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Fair but broad enough, thanks for replying. But having a company incorporated with the name doesn't equate to being a separate business. I believe label should be part of the lead because it is widely reported as that. IgelRM (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

That may be doable, something along the lines of

X is an American video game publisher and a label of Take-Two Interactive based in Y

but I'm still wary that the word "label" may be misleading in the way outlined above. Sources describe them this way because TTWO markets them this way. It is already known to us that all of the current "labels" have their own businesses, including separate executives and hundereds of developers. IceWelder [✉] 18:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)