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The name AC/DC had nothing to do with the bisexual connotations that people have given it. The band started at the catholic highschool, Ashfield Boys High School, and the name "Anti-Christ/Devil Child" was solely to piss off the fathers who taught the school. Catholic teenage rebellion at its finest. Nothing to do with Satanism or any other cult crap. This information comes straight from the original Ashfield Boys School AC/DC drummer, (who, incidentally, told Angus that T.N.T. would never be a hit after they first played it at a highschool dance), Gary Baldwin.

--Gary's next door neighbor

That's total nonsense, made up by someone pretending, wishing to be an expert on the band. Yes, and I'm Angus Young's illegitimate child. There's no question that the name is about electrical currents. If you weren't blinded by fantasy, you'd notice the theme that's so clear and un-subtle that I'm ashamed to be discussing this: High Voltage, Powerage, Volts, the lightning bolt between AC and DC, every album cover. I don't think theresa knott was questioning the original inspiration for the name, but was more likely considering the possibility that AC/DC was aware of the bisexual connotation and acknowledged it. Your creating a falsified account of how the name originated doesn't at all refute theresa's arugment. But the fact of the matter is that, even if they were aware of the connotation, they say that they weren't, as Tlshd mentions, and it isn't up to us to question that in a Wikipedia article without actual evidence.Tyharvey313 03:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does anyone else think they must have been aware of the bisexual meaning of ACDC ? Why the school boy uniform ? Why the verse in dirty deeds done dirt cheap ?

"You got problems in your life of love
You got a broken heart
(She's) He's double dealin' with your best friend
That's when the teardrops start - fella
Pick up the phone
I'm here alone
Or make a social call
Come right in
Forget about him
We'll have ourselves a ball"
  

?theresa knott 11:59, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

He's supposed to be talking about a woman in that verse, "he's double dealin' with your best friend". I believe when AC/DC started, Angus was still in school. He had shows right after school and didn't have time to change his clothes, so he just played in them. He liked how it looked and stuck with it. --65.33.71.42 23:01, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The lyrics cited above are--at best--unsubstantiated, and are, IMHO, inaccurate. The lyric sleeve that shipped with the LP copy I own (Atlantic catalog:K50323) doesn't include the term "fella"--the line is printed as "That's when the teardrops start -". I've listened to this song over the past two decades and I have always heard the same utterance after the word 'start', that is "wella" (i.e. well ah). This is simply a pick-up to the next line and nothing else.

Actually, if you were going to make your argument using the lyrics to "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" you could have picked the stanza that begins "If ya got a lady but you want her gone..." and ends "For a fee I'll be happy to be, Your back door man". This lyric can be taken many different ways.

Regardless of these arguments I think it's ridiculous to argue--the band has commented on the origin of the name several times, and at no time has any of them mentioned bisexuality.

Tlshd 08:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

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according to an interview with vh1 on tv, one of them (i cant remeber which member) said they did get the name from the electric currents, and didn't know about the bi meaning at the time-emopunk

Re: the Clear Channel thing. As stated, this bit is inaccurate. An accurate statement would have little import. See User talk:Mulad for details. Jgm 16:50, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

I've read what you say on that page. I was following the story at the time for http://rocknerd.org/ - the Snopes page came out saying "FALSE" while the story was actually still unfolding, and their "false" was at the time based solely on a CC press release after the flap, which greatly discredited Snopes' opinion on the matter in my eyes. It's also prominent in the Clear Channel Communications article. As such, I'll be putting back an edited version - David Gerard 17:21, May 15, 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I appreciate that you were documenting it at the time, that counts for a lot. I think the problem with the way it's worded is that it claims CC main office management devised and "sent out" the list which according to all accounts I've read is inaccurate -- a couple of station managers sent out an e-mail which was passed around and modified (unless you are claiming from your research at the time that you know differently; this seems to be the version accepted by all sides). This is much less noteworthy in my opinion, and would require so many weasel words as to become quite weak. Jgm 18:07, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

First, I heard the bisexual meaning of AC/DC was unintentional.

Why is there no comprehensive list of members on this page. The only reason I came here was to find out the drummer's name. wtf?

Although I know they spent their adult lives in Australia (well, most of it on tour round the world...), I have added the Young brothers and Bon Scott to the List of Scots. I don't think enough Scots are aware of the connection.

Category Deletion

The AC/DC category is up for deletion. The category is unnecessary -- all the elements in the category are in the article. -- TheBlunderbuss 21:56, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Vacuum or Sewing Machine?

according to this article, the AC/DC was written on a sewing machine, while according to List of band name etymologies, it was on a vacuum cleaner. Who knows? Please fix! — MFH: Talk 9 July 2005 03:45 (UTC)

It was on VH1's Biography of AC/DC. It was their sisters sewing machine that had ac/dc on it. In fact according to what Angus and Mal said on this program his first school boy stage suite was made by his sister on this very same sewing machine. The rumor has always been around that the band are satanists. Mal put that rumor to rest clearly. He said, "Me mom would kill me for that!" So I don't think the good ole' boys from down under worship satan. It was very informative and enjoyable. So I hope this may clear up the question.

--Bumpusmills1 01:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Deletion?

The AC/DC section is up for deletion? What happened with that? I sertenly don`t see why we shold delete it... Or?

Just the Category, not the Article. Joeylawn 00:28, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Album Inconsistency?

I've noticed that a few of the special 2003 digipak remastered albums are listed, but not all of them. I believe all of AC/DC's international studio albums (Simply meaning not the Australian High Voltage and TNT) are now out on digipak, with the exception of Stiff Upper Lip. This leads me to wonder whether it's typical to list remastered releases by bands at all. If this article were to note all the digipaks and then even previous remasters, it would produce a lot of clutter. I suggest that either the digipaks be removed from the studio album list, or all other remasters be added. While I prefer the former, if it turns out that the latter is more appropriate: please do not forget the fresh October 18 2005 issuing of the Ballbreaker digipak. Thanks to whoever gives this attention. - G R Early --64.217.224.239 16:15, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I say we delete this article because it is incorrect. AC/DC is my favorite band and i have studied them intensively and have found few right facts on this page.

Name

An anon recently added "The first name suggested for the band was "The Razor's Edge" by Cliff Williams, but the rest of the band turned down the name.", which I can't verify but have left in for now. Somebody with more interest in AC/DC please check this. Thanks. Rd232 ^talk 09:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Thats not true...Cliff Williams was not a memeber of the band until 1978, so he did not have an input in the name of the band

no the razor's edge was a song and the band was known as ac/dc in 1973. cliff was not a member until 1978, so ha ha ha. also all the other names suggested are listed in the family jewls DVD set k..

By: jam lee of the band "Thornes of Glory"

City

In which Scottish city where they born; it just says that they were born in Scotland - but without a city. I would find it very hard to belive that they would all just come from Edinburgh, or Glasgow. --Kilo-Lima 11:36, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Have added Glasgow for Malcolm and Angus and Kirriemuir for Bon. - Gordon Murray 4/12/05

They're not bisexual

They had no idea it was another way of saying bisexual. Hell, I'd never even heard of that until about last year. It's an electricity thing, stands for "Alternate Current/Direct Current". They got it from the back of a vacuum cleaner or a sewing machine, I've heard both stories. As for the schoolboy outfit, Angus and Malcom's sister suggested he wear it on stage, saying "it would give the audience something to look at". Although her suggestion probably did come from the fact that, as a kid, Angus would come home from school and start playing guitar right away without changing out of his school uniform. Also, Angus was 18 when the band was forming in 1973, so he would've been out of school by that time.

Also, Cliff Williams wouldn't have been able to suggest a name for the band in their early years, since he wasn't even in the band until late 1977. And they're not all from Scotland. Angus and Malcolm are from Glasgow (moved to Sydney when Ang was 5, and Mal was 7). Bon Scott was from Scotland, too, but I can't remember what city. Phil Rudd's from Queensland, Australia, I think. Cliff Williams is from England, as is Brian Johnson. And thier ex-bassist Mark Evans is from Australia, too.

One last thing, that first guy was right, they have nothing to do with occult stuff. Angus played in a church as a kid, actually. -- TMFSG, December 2, 2005.

Wait, one more thing. I dont' know if you want to add this, but while it was around, the Soviet Union compiled a list of 12 bands they considered "idealogically harmful", and AC/DC was on it. I think they were #9.

hey i know that AC/DC is not bisexual because i am Anguses #1 fan... i can play all there songs and i happen to now his entire life and i know that the only reson this story got out was because Bon Scott and Angus were the best of friends and some people thought they hung out with each other to much. people also thought that because Angus wore a school uniform to shows that they were showing suggestive theams such as the story about the priest haveing sex with the kid....well thats another reason why people thought they were Bi. so thats it k -By: Jam Lee of the band"Thorns Of Glory".

Ballbreaker and Digipaks

I posted here earlier as GR Early about Ballbreaker and the other digipak re-releases of albums. Firstly, I've corrected the date of the Ballbreaker digipak release from November to October 2005. However, I still think the listing of studio albums is sloppy as long as some digipaks are listed but not others. We should really decide whether to show all of them or show none. I would rather not make this edit myself without discussing it.

Also, regarding Cliff Williams suggesting a name for the band, please note that he was not a member of the band until years after it was formed. I have to wonder where you heard this. Decatur 05:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I think you all need to shut the hell up youre rambiling on about things that are insignificant and you know just as little about as anybody else and as for the bitch who says shes mr youngs daughter why dont ou jus blow it out your ass!!! this is lunchbox2010 im a hardcore fan of acdc and damn proud of them and their mi=usic so shuv it and as for this mans forum its pretty good way to fight the power—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.64.18.27 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you need to calm the hell down you're rambling on while using vile language. Please read guidelines, like This one; Wikipedia is not a battleground. Insulting people is not gonna help anything.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING^(Я) 09:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Name section

are you completely sure they said "we write songs to make a point and give the listener a picture."? because that seems way out of their style. Malcolm has said before, "[when asked about AC/DC's lyrics] If people wanna hear deep lyrics, they can listen to R.E.M. or whatever. But at the end of the night, they wanna go home and get fucked. And that's where we come in"

hey i agree with you about evrything its just if u do on vh1.com and look up AC/DC they give you an interveiw with Brian Jhonsen and Angus Young and i forget what Angus said but they talked about what style of music and how they made the music and lyrics so go check it out K.

By: Jam Lee of the ban "Thornes of Glory"

Huh?

Okay, what is the name of the new album coming out? Shock Waves? Get Back To Rock? Why was it taken off the list? - I.P. Guy

I don't know. I check often about the lasest album info on www.acdcrocks.com but it doesnt say. It is in production, but no name yet. Tommygun141 02:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

currently

as of january the only news about the new album came out months ago with no mention of track names or album name go to the official sit www.acdcrocks.com for more info what is their first album called

Album covers

In the Australian listing of albums it doesn't actually show the right covers for the following LPs: "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap", "Let There Be Rock" and "Highway To Hell." The Australian covers for these albums were very different to the overseas ones. January 29, 2006. Peter.

I think the articles for the Australian albums and the international albums should be combined (with the possible exception of the international version of High Voltage, which is really a compilation) to avoid confusion and present a better comarison of the two versions. ProhibitOnions 12:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Their FIRST album was High Voltage.

Band photo features Chris Slade, text box implies Phil Rudd

Couldn't we find a more up-to-date picture of the band with Phil Rudd in it? If not, the current band infobox should probably say "Pictured: Former drummer Chris Slade" or the like. It might also help to list the names of the members under the photo; those who are not fans might not know who is who. ProhibitOnions 12:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The photo has been changed to one which actually shows the current line-up, but it's not very clear - two members are barely discernible. Anyone got a better photo? Bretonbanquet 13:29, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Huh?

"Their music is rhythm & blues-based with a higher level of distortion in the lead and rhythm guitars."

"Based" mate, not that they are actually an R&B band. A lot of their music does have undertones from that genere. (USMA2010 23:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

An Australian rock band???

How could this band be described as Australian when they were all born in the UK? I think one of the current members might be Ausralian but at their peak, they were all British! I think they would best be described as an "international" band. Davez621 08:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Uh they were an Aussie rock band. Only cliff was british. Bon, ANgus and Malcolm were all Scottish immigrants to australia. Phil was from australua. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.136.238.200 (talk • contribs) 20:12, May 25, 2006 (UTC)

The band formed in Australia. Angus and Malcolm Young and Scott emigrated to Australia. Phil Rudd was born in the country. Ergo, AC/DC is an Australian rock band. — EagleOne\^Talk 17:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Although commonly referred to as an Australian band (and they may well class themselves as Aussies) it is true that Bon, Angus and Malcolm (and George, 3rd brother and later their producer) were all Scottish and by definition therefore, BRITISH. No argument there then. And Brian Johnson is most definitely British, from my home town of Newcastle England. Phil's an Aussie, so like is mentioned above, lets leave it as 'International'. Kiwichipster 02:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Heavy Metal

How is AC/DC "a pioneer of hard rock and heavy metal music "? Hard rock, yes, definitely, all the way, but since when are they heavy metal? I do have a limited knowledge of AC/DC's full collection of albums and songs, but so far I've seen no evidence whatsoever that they're heavy metal. Could anyone explain to my why they're classified as such, citing specific songs? Otherwise, I'll remove that.Tyharvey313 03:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

It says that they're pioneers of heavy metal, rather than a heavy metal band, much in the same way that Deep Purple is a pioneer of heavy metal. Fitz221 02:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Examples of heavy Metal

Whole lotta rosie is often covered by metal bands

let there be rock can very much be seen as a metal song even though it is also very much blues

hell's bells very much metal back and black too

thunderstruck

this means war heatseeker for those about to rock the whole flick the switch album

the fact is that they pioneered heavy metal meaning that they didi not exactly fit the desciption but undoubtly have metal sounding songs but more importantly metal songs sounded like ac/dc don't sweat it just except it.

Album sales

"Back In Black" cannot be the second best-selling album in the world AND the fifth best-selling album in the USA. Which is it? Bretonbanquet 18:41, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes it can be AC/DC is a much larger act outside of the US.

There's a major problem with the text on album sales in the Wiki text. I can't find a single website that lists Back in Black as selling 42 million copies worldwide, or selling 21 million copies in the US. Most websites variously list The Eagles, Michael Jackson, Fleetwood Mac, the Beatles, Elvis etc, as being the top 5, although they normally suggest US album sales only. The best I could find was a website suggesting Back In Black sold 19 millions worldwide. Also, Wiki suggests that no list can be difinitive, as no organisation ranks international sales. Anyone got a good source? PS. Finally got my hands on a copy of Live at Donington - Monsters of Rock here in 'lil old New Zealand. Fantastic!! Kiwichipster 02:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I have a question, was this Terry Schlesser guy really considerd as a replacement?

Yes, but if it's the second best-selling album in the world, how can it be fifth in the USA - there are 4 better-selling albums there for a start. Unless you mean second best in the REST of the world outside the US.

No, that's simply incorrect. If 5 were sold in the US, and 1 million in Europe, that CD would not big higher selling in the US than a cd that sold 50 in the US and 500k in Europe207.127.128.2 21:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

There were a few vocalists considered for Bon's job plus one or two others who were rumoured to be in the running, like Easybeats singer Stevie Wright. Alan Fryer was considered, but apparently he was too much like Bon. Gary Holton was also mentioned, but he had a bit of a drink problem, which eventually contributed to his death. That left Terry Wilson-Slesser who used to in Back Street Crawler with Paul Kossoff, and Brian Johnson. When Johnson joined AC/DC, Wilson-Slesser (often known as Terry Slesser) joined Geordie. There a couple of references that say he was considered for the job. I guess all this should be in the article really. Bretonbanquet 22:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Mark Storace of Krokus claimed to have been offered the job and to have turned it down. AC/DC have never denied the statement.````210.211.198.46

"The band split with Lange for their self-produced 1983 album, Flick of the Switch. Predictably, perhaps, its production values were not on par with the previous three LPs, despite some memorable tracks. "

Is this the consensus view? Or is it POV? Personally, I think Flick of the Switch is one of their best albums, if not the best. It never occurred to me that there's anything weak about its "production values". Palefire 22:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

It was a more popular view a few years ago if I remember, but that album is definitely more well-regarded now. That statement is a bit POV really. There's a lot of POV in this article. Bretonbanquet 23:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Note that the phrase refers to "production values" not "quality of the songs." I think Flick of the Switch is a great album, but it has a muffled sound and in some places a lack of attention to detail that a top producer like Mutt Lange would likely have fixed, but as the album was "produced by AC/DC" a lot of the finer touches are missing. Just off the top of my head, there's what sounds like a bad edit in "Nervous Shakedown"; an experienced producer would probably also have told the drummer to quit hitting the crash cymbal every four measures.

Whatever the flaws of FOTS, the production of Fly on the Wall is far worse; Brian Johnson and Cliff Williams are inexplicably buried in the mix, and it's a horribly muddy arrangement with a counterproductive overuse of reverb. This is a shame, because the songs on it are consistently good, and if an experienced producer had worked with it instead of it being produced by Malcolm and Angus it would undoubtedly have worked out much better. This is a point made by many reviewers at the time. I'm surprised the record label allowed it to be released as it was. ProhibitOnions 09:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

AC/DC plain and simple

AC/DC is an Australian band. Having been born in the UK does not mean they are a UK band. They grew up most their lives in Australia and thats where they made it big, not in the UK.

And as for AC/DC being a band of high distortion levels its just not true. Read any interview with Angus and he says its straight guitar to amp. No distortion at all other than possibly tone difference but thats it.

Although commonly referred to as an Australian band (and they may well class themselves as Aussies) it is true that Bon, Angus and Malcolm (and George, 3rd brother and later their producer) were all Scottish and by definition therefore, BRITISH. No argument there then. And Brian Johnson is most definitely British, from my home town of Newcastle England. Phil's an Aussie, so like is mentioned above, lets leave it as 'International'. Kiwichipster 02:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

iTunes

I think there are AC/DC songs in the iTunes music store, isn't it? At least in the german music store... --Fun-total 15:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Not in the American itunes, im afriad. I sent them letters, and maybe because of which they recently took off all the REALLY crappy tribute-bands. Maybe they'll put up the entire catalouge like MSN music did. (Every album baby!) Tommygun141 18:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

Can someone explain why we keep reverting to an Infobox with practically no information in it? What's wrong with having the members' names in there for a start - every time I put them in, someone edits them out. The infobox as it stands is pointless. Bretonbanquet 16:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Is it a user doing it? Or is it a BOT fix? (I ask before actually trolling backwards through the edit history) Cheers! Anger22 17:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It's someone without a proper name... 67.150.37.139 - I'm not clever enough to know if it's the same person every time. It just seems daft to have an infobox with very little in it, and have to trawl three-quarters of the way down the article before finding out who's actually in the band! Bretonbanquet 17:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone has to edit that infobox with another one more useful... No-Bullet 22:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Bon Scott

Someone tell me why 'legendary' should be a 'point of view' when used as an adjective for Bon Scott? Characterizing Scott as a legend, when it is so widely acknowledged and well known that he has been an influence on everyone from contemporaries like Van Halen, to all three vocalists of Iron Maiden and to even the latest Garage Rock Bands and an icon to generations of fans, born after his passing, is surely not out of place. When Classic Rock Magazine ranked him as number one on the list of 100 Greatest frontmen and celebrated his 25th death anniversary with a cover saying Bon Scott: Hero Icon Legend, it reflected the popular sentiment among the band's fans and Rock enthusiasts in general.Bon Scott has been widely called legendary and charismatic, both of which are arguably points of view.If an editor has no problem with 'charismatic', he/she should not have a problem with legendary.210.211.198.46 03:04, 30 April 2006 (UTC)210.211.198.46

It would help if you read: WP:MoS, WP:NPOV, WP:CITE and WP:AWW. All are very helpful when it comes to making meaningful edits(which some of yours are). There are a few other "WP:__" policies that are worth reading along with those ones...but they'll do as a start. Plain and simple...if you are going to try and push flowery, poetic adjectives into any encyclopedia article...it has to be cited. Browse some of the music articles that have achieved "FA" status and you'll see what I mean. If they're not given proper citation, the articles just tend to look more like teenybopper magazine articles or poorly written junior high book reports(which most of them do as it is) Hope that helps. Take Care! Anger22 03:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Influences/Influenced

Half the bands on that list were well established long before AC/DC came along. Any band that had a career prior to 1976 shouldn't really be on it at all(Scorpions and UFO in particular). As for Rainbow...Ritchie Blackmore's influences are well documented and AC/DC certainly isn't one of them. And Rush were influenced by Cream, The Who, King Crimson + many others...again all well documented...and again, no AC/DC in the list. As for AC/DC being influenced by those particular bands? Angus has stated he could stand Deep Purple or any other band tha played long improvised music because his attention span was too short. It's why he names his influences as being Chuck Berry and B.B. King. The list contained some pretty stupid entries. It's about time someone tried to clean out the junk. If you can find a reference for your POV then fine. But until then, best leave it be. 142.179.103.183 22:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

- Good point, but the fact is that many contemporaries of AC/DC's including bands that were older than them were influenced by them. The energy of their live performances especially, made an impact on many Bands who toured with them in their early years.For example, Jounrney is an older band, but they toured with AC/DC, after their arrival on the scene. The vocalist at the time, Steve Perry has gone on record as to how Bon Scott and the band's high energy Rock N Roll galvanized their own act and their style from that time on.There are other bands who would have likewise been afftected. A band cannot be excluded from this list, solely because they were older than AC/DC.61.17.69.201````

Failed GA

This had been nominated on 14th May for GA. The reasons I failed the article are the history section is too long It needs to be broken into subsections. The Article over all ignores Bon Scotts' death, i know its mentioned but only one paragraph. Where he's metioned in the Info box it should have Deceased after his name. The images bouncing from side to side are distracting. Gnangarra 15:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

THE CURRENT PAGE SAYS THEY "SOLD OVER 3 ALBUMS, MAKING THEM THE BIGGEST..."

I THINK THIS IS WRONG BUT I'M SCARED TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE OF WIKIFACISTS AND I DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF ALBUMS THEY SOLD (THOUGH I'M SURE IT'S OVER 3 BECAUSE I BOUGHT AT LEAST 5).

It said 150 million yesterday...so I put that number back. Anger22 09:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

AC/DC were not from Sydney when they arrived in Australia they lived in Elizabeth, South Australia (not far north of Adelaide). They played in and around Adelaide alot before they made it nationally and then internationally. I would imagine people think they're from Sydney because it's usually the only city in Australia that people even think about.A lot of people seem to think its the capital as well.

2 Band Member Charts???

I don't see why there are two band member charts, the color-coded one is fine, the article doesn't need another. I'll take it off unless someone can give me a reason not to.el sand bag 15:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

There's definitely no need for two. Bretonbanquet 20:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that two charts is excessive, but I see no need to take out the excellently formatted and colored chart and leave the normal one. 66.253.36.140 07:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Mark Storace

There needs to be a source cited for the idea that Mark Storace was considered for the vocalist's job after Bon Scott's death. I've never heard that he was, and it's in none of the relevant books. Anyway, AC/DC always said they specifically didn't want a Bon Scott soundalike. Bretonbanquet 20:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

This interview with Mark Storace confirms it - http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/Interviews04/Marc%20Storace%20of%20Krokus.htm Many Bon Scott era fans, despite the fact of Brian Johnson gelling well with the band and improving on previous success, preferred Storace at the time of Bon's death. For one, he sounded a lot like Bon and secondly, even had a passing resemblance to him.The band, as is well documented, have always maintained that they did not want a Bon soundalike.

Whether or not he was offered the job, it never made it to the music press at the time, because they don't mention him as far as I've seen. Of course, that doesn't mean he wasn't linked with the job, but it would be good to have someone else's word for it other than the man himself. It could be mentioned in the article that many fans thought he would be a good choice. There were a couple of other names mentioned at the time by the press - Alan Friar, Stevie Wright for example, that we could mention as well. Bretonbanquet 20:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Apologies!

Sorry for re-adding the second redundant band box, I tried to re-revert myself but for some reason it wouldn't let me:S HawkerTyphoon 14:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Were you the one who deleted the color-coded one? that one was way more easyer to understand than the one thats left. el sand bag 16:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The "rainbow pride" list was certainly unique and artistic. The one thats there now follows a common format found on many Wikipedia music articles. I have not seen any discussion on them in any of the Wikipedia music project discussion pages so I don't know if the "common" format stems from any kind of consensus? If it does then it should be standard throughout all Wikipedia music articles. 156.34.142.158 16:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

When???

when is the new AC/DC album going to be out? i'm waiting to know when it will be out so i can get it. Ac-dcfreak785 20:42 July 9 2006 (UTC)\

#4?

do we really have to include the VH1 #4 bit so high up in the article it really is not such a big honor, perhaps we can replace it with a #1, because honestly making #4 on a VH1 list is not thta big of a deal and i think we can find something to replace it, like maybe something from kerrang magizine - Ishmaelblues

Member charts

Again, there are two band member charts. Do we need the color-coded one? No-Bullet 21:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that chart is much easier to read, space efficent, and very cool. 66.253.36.140 19:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

All Music Guide Discography

The Discography at allmusic.com list the released albums in a different chronological order. The list on WP seems to be more complete, but it would be nice if someone could doublecheck, since AMG is usually a reliable source.

That list has "Dirty Deeds" released in 1981, as it was in the States. Everywhere else it was 1976. It also doesn't include the Aussie "High Voltage". The WP list is spot on, as far as I can see. Bretonbanquet 23:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

how about this?

i'm thinking we should merge the line-up part of the page to a new page. you know to save room for the page. if you think about, try this link to merge the lineups: current and past group lineups for AC/DC. --Ac-dcfreak785 17:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

AC/DC Template

Why AC/DC doesn't have a template in the bottom of the page like many other bands such as Led Zeppelin, The Who, Green Day, Guns n' roses, etc. ? No-Bullet 18:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably because nobody felt up to create one. Feel freeto do so andadd it to therelevant pages. Circeus 07:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Wrong license

The band member images are wrongly marked as GFDL. Please correct it. --84.168.236.233 14:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

ACDC and Scotland

kiwiscottishbob 24/01/2011. The home page openening credit that ACDC are an Australian Band is erroneous and needs rethinking. The following information highlight that Bon Scott felt strongly about his native Scotland along with the Young's. Indeed the Scottish parliament celebrate ACDC place of birth. Wikipedia editors - share the love. Don't you think that People of Scottish background might be a little offended. Here are the facts.

It is an often over-looked fact the the history and success of AC/DC can be closely linked to the country of Scotland. The founding members of the band Angus and Malcolm were originally born in Glasgow and lived the early part of their live there until emigrating with their family at an early age. Bon Scott was also an ex-patriot Scot and was born and brought up in the town of Kirriemuir. At the age of about 5, Bon's family emigrated to Australia in the hope to find a better standard of living. In fact the nickname Bon originates from at first being called Bonnie Scotland. Bon thinking this was too cissy changed the nickname to the shorteened version of Bon. It is noticable that the band pay homage to the land of their birth by the inclusion of Bagpipes in the track It's a long way to the top (If you wanna Rock n Roll). The tracks Fling Thing and the Bonny intro on the live album are also based on the traditional Scottish ballad Loch Lomond. 26th October 2008 Ice memories for AC/DC's Angus Young AC/DC guitarist Angus Young has told how the title of their new album was inspired by his native Scotland. The Aussie supergroup will shoot straight to No. 1 tonight with Black Ice. Angus, who formed the band with brother Malcolm, says the title reminds him of early days gigging in winter. The pair were brought up in Cranhill, Glasgow, before emigrating in 1963. Angus said: "It rolled off the tongue - it remindsme of radio warnings up north of black ice. It was deadly stuff." Singer Brian Johnson feared the album would not happen after an eight year gap since their last release. But he added: "On the first track the hairs on my arms stood up. I thought, 'is this a good band or what?'" Source http://www.sundaymail.co.uk http://www.crabsodyinblue.com/acdcscottishroots.htm

Among the responsibilities of Scotland's devolved parliament are such matters as justice, transport and education. But it has also apparently got a new one – paying tribute to AC/DC.Christine Grahame, MSP for South of Scotland, has filed a new motion entitled AC/DC, We Salute You. And while electricians may be excited at the prospect of celebrating alternating and direct currents, it's not energised matter Grahame has on her mind – it's rock'n'roll."After 35 years AC/DC are still contributing to music and giving fans enjoyment worldwide," the Scottish Nationalist MSP told BBC News. "I think they have long-deserved official recognition from their homeland ... and my parliamentary motion will go some way towards recognising that."The We Salute You motion is intended to formally welcome AC/DC to Scotland, recognise the band's Scottish roots, applaud their growing popularity, and thank them for the inspiration they've given to Scottish musicians.Angus and Malcolm Young, founding members of AC/DC, were born in Glasgow but later moved with their family to Australia, while former front man Bon Scott, who died in 1980, was born in Kirriemuir."It is clear Scott had a strong sense of his identity, from the 'Scotland forever' tattoo he had on his arm to his playing the bagpipes on the AC/DC track It's a Long Way to the Top," Grahame emphasised.AC/DC have sold more than 150 million albums worldwide since forming in 1973. They are to tour the UK next summer, in support of their new album, Black Ice. Grahame is particularly keen for the band to repeat a gesture from 1978, when they wore Scottish football strips at a Glasgow concert."It would be fitting if they were to do the same when the band play Hampden national football stadium next June," Grahame said.In return, perhaps Holyrood's MSPs could don AC/DC t-shirts.--Kiwiscottishbob (talk) 04:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)kiwiscottishbob 24/01/2011. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/dec/22/acdc-scotland-parliament --Kiwiscottishbob (talk) 04:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC) kiwiscottishbob 24/01/2011 LEGENDARY AC/DC Scots rocker Angus Young is planning to return to his roots in a Glasgow housing estate when his band plays at Hampden Park on Tuesday.Young wants to visit the scheme at Cranhill in the city’s east end, where he lived before moving with his family to Australia in 1963 when the rock star was just eight years old.In a weekend interview, Young joked about renaming the area “Angusland” and emblazoning his band’s distinctive “thunderflash” logo on the water tower overlooking the estate.He said: “I might drive up to the water tower and put my flag up – it would be just like the Hollywood sign.”Angus and his brother Malcolm founded the band and rose to global fame ten years after their father moved the family abroad in his quest to find work. The band’s original lead singer, Ronald “Bon” Scott – who died in 1980 of alcohol poisoning – was also a Scottish immigrant, hailing originally from Kirriemuir, Angus.Young attributed the band’s success in part to old-fashioned Scottish grit.He said:”Our Scottish background gave us a good grounding – we had a kind of doggedness and determination.“We kept at it and never let go of what we wanted to achieve.”http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2009/06/28/acdc-guitarist-revisits-scottish-roots-1291/ Short URL: http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/?p=7007

Posted by oliverfarrimond on Jun 28 2009. Filed under 1, Entertainment, 

Disambiguation page== Why AC/DC leads here? It would be more common AC/DC to be the disambiguation page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Not likely. The band is of exponentially larger notoriety than all other forms combined - the film is by the Band and the technological application is redundant, isn't too likely to have any wide usage at this point, and its conceptual awareness is probably due to the band itself. The other uses are of even lower notoriety. 120.18.245.100 (talk) 15:46, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Genre

I think AC/DC also is Boogie rock Taro-Gabunia (talk) 03:28, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Ac/dc s not a Heavy metal band, they only had maybe 2 possible heavy metal songs. Other than those their music contained no heavy metal characteristics. Acdc strumed and plucked their notes rather than using power chords. The bandthemselves say that they are not Heavy Metal. How much more evidence do you want? Even KISS used power chords and played faster in their early days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.12.67.219 (talk) 03:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Sin City

This is an earlier performance of the band without commercials. Just pure AC/DC. It should be in the external links. Here is the link: [[1]]. Any objections? It is a tribute to the Bon Scott era. Cmguy777 (talk) 23:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Albums Vendidos

Hello I came here to clarify that AC / DC has sold 200 million albums as quoted in the biography of the band and the band sold only purpose only, 100 million albums I'm correcting the mistake that was placed on this page from already thank you. OuvirLer foneticamente —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.111.96.248 (talk) 07:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Dead link

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High Voltage in discography section

I believe that High Voltage (1976 album) should be listed in the discography section, as although it consists of previously released material, it was not issued as a compilation, and all the songs were only previously available in Australia. To the whole of the rest of the world, this was a new release, and I believe it's misleading and confusing to omit this from the discography. Almost all other discographies list this album, including the official website. The Wikipedia guideline states that compilations are to be excluded from this type of discography, but surely the spirit of this guideline is concerning Greatest Hits albums and "Best ofs". This is neither and should be included here. Another editor disagrees with me and insists on removing it, so I would like to achieve a consensus here either way. Please state your opinions so an agreement can be reached. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the Wikiproject discussion of this, I agree with Bretonbanquet. This album was essentially a brand-new release for most of the world, and should be treated as such. It would not have been considered a novelty or frivolity at the time of its release, but as another studio album, and marginalising it as anything else seems to be the wrong way to approach this. GRAPPLE X 22:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

"A studio album is an album made up of tracks recorded in the controlled environment of a recording studio. A studio album contains newly written and recorded or previously unreleased or remixed material, distinguishing itself from a compilation or reissue album of previously recorded material."

This in the no way is a studio album, and you're argument that it was a small national release doesn't change that. If you look at other pages discography sections, like The Clash, you don't see the distinct U.S. and U.K. versions of their first album listed. If you list the second version of high voltage as a studio album, the information on the page will not be true.Hoponpop69 (talk) 02:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Why not just make a note above the listed studio discography that while High Voltage was their debut album, it should not be confused with the same named internationally released compilation of various songs off of their first two albums?Hoponpop69 (talk) 03:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Surely it would make for a better-laid-out article if there was a small note (or footnote) for High Voltage, stating that whilst it is listed as a studio album, the material was released in a limited manner previously? GRAPPLE X 03:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Why even list it as a studio album when it's not?Hoponpop69 (talk) 14:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

It obviously can be considered one, or else several editors would not be agreeing to call it one here. And to much of the world, it would have been release and received as one. GRAPPLE X 15:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Outside Australia, it is a studio album. That is an incontrovertible fact. The first two Australian albums would have been available to a very small number of people outside Australia, and High Voltage '76 was not a compilation to anyone else. Excluding it from this discography is effectively to pretend it doesn't exist, and that everyone had access to the first two albums. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

By simple definition it's not a studio album, no matter where it was released. Stop being foolish with this "incontrovertible fact" nonsense.Hoponpop69 (talk) 05:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's just your opinion, and nobody agrees with you right now. Careful with the "being foolish" stuff too. Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree that High Voltage '76 should be in the discography. This is how the world got to know them and is their first international release. Omitting it would seem terribly out of place.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 17:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

It is not an opinion, it is a fact. By definition it is not a studio album. I'm sorry that you are all too dense to understand such simple things. I mean I really don't want to be rude by I can not fathom the lack of intellect on your parts.Hoponpop69 (talk) 17:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

It isn't a fact, it's rubbish. Keep up the personal attacks - you don't want to be rude, but we're dense and suffer from a lack of intellect? As I say, do us all a favour and keep it up. Right now, nobody agrees with you on this, so if there's no further support for your idea, the album goes back in. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll also add that the album has been in the discography section since 29 October 2002 - nearly nine years - and nobody has ever had a problem with it until now. In that time, this article has reached FA status, and none of the reviewers had a problem with it. A very good consensus will be needed for the album to be removed. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I am for inclusion as it was marketed as a new LP released by a new label for international distribution. Moxy (talk) 19:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Peter Buckley (28 October 2003). The rough guide to rock. Rough Guides. p. 10. ISBN 9781843531050.
• Phil Sutcliffe (10 October 2010). AC/DC: High-Voltage Rock 'n' Roll: The Ultimate Illustrated History. Voyageur Press. p. 62. ISBN 9780760338322.

Someone please explain how it fits the definition of a studio album.Hoponpop69 (talk) 15:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

We have tried to. GRAPPLE X 16:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

It still does not fit the definition of a studio album.Hoponpop69 (talk) 19:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Shaidar cuebiyar, 30 June 2011

Hard rock, heavy metal, blues rock, rock and roll

| years_active = 1973 (1973)–present | label = Albert, EMI, Columbia, Epic, Atlantic, Atco, Elektra, East West | associated_acts = The Easybeats, The Valentines, Fraternity, Rhino Bucket | website = www.acdc.com | current_members = Angus Young
Malcolm Young
Phil Rudd
Cliff Williams
Brian Johnson | past_members = Dave Evans
Bon Scott
Mark Evans
Simon Wright
Chris Slade
(full list) }} --->

1. Update infobox template see Template:Infobox musical artist.
2. Added State to origin location. (This is the only new content added)
3. Chronologically ordered associated_acts
4. Adjust website to updated form.
5. Chronologically ordered current_members
6. Chronologically ordered past_members

shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:01, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Iron Man 2

This is really getting out of hand! Who ever keeps removing this album from AC/DC's discography needs to stop NOW! It is a soundtrack album just like Who Made Who. If you don't want to incude it because of it's similarities to combination albums than you must remove Who Made Who and the international version of High Voltage because both fit the same issue. Otherwise leave it be! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westvoja (talk • contribs) 17:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

ACDC is a Kiwi/British/Australian Band

Phil Rudd has lived in New Zealand for couple of decades and based upon wiki editors inconsistent logic about the country of origin for many iconic bands - that makes them a Kiwi/British/Australian band. The Scottish also claim ACDC as their own - and quite correctly, see my previous talk where I cited ample evidence, subsequently removed by wiki editors. Phil is the only Aussie born ACDC band member and a naturalised New Zealander. I have advised wiki readers/editors previously on this matter and inserted publicly available information that clearly states ACDC is not an Australian band - but you guys removed it. Just to be clear about your inconsistent nationality statements - do check out the Bee Gee's site which quite correctly does not claim that the Bee Gee's are an Australian band. The Bee Gee's circumstances are similar to that of the core ACDC members - the Gibb's just like the Youngs and the Scott's are British born and their families relocated to Australia. The Bee Gee's also recorded in Australia and before band members moved back to Britain - just as ACDC did. So how is it that wiki editors state that ACDC are Australian but not the Bee Gee's. Power of the pen I guess. I'll relocate the verifiable information I sourced ealrier this year which the wiki editors removed and I'll attempt to repost it later in the week. Everyones a winner when you get the nationalities correct. (kiwiscottishbob) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiwiscottishbob (talk • contribs) 02:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

All that you have said above may be true, however it is what we call original research. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia (or any encyclopedia) is verifiability, not truth —whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether people may think it is true. So basically based on reliable, published sources (as seen below) state they are a Australian rock band.Moxy (talk) 02:36, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

• Phil Sutcliffe (10 October 2010). AC/DC: High-Voltage Rock 'n' Roll: The Ultimate Illustrated History. Voyageur Press. pp. 58–. ISBN 978-0-7603-3832-2.
• Joe Bonomo (May 2010). AC/DC's Highway to hell. Continuum International Publishing Group. pp. 2–. ISBN 978-1-4411-9028-4.
• Daniel Bukszpan; Ronnie James Dio (1 October 2003). The Encyclopedia of Heavy Metal. Barnes & Noble Publishing. pp. 7–. ISBN 978-0-7607-4218-1.
• William Van Caenegem (15 July 2010). Intellectual Property Law in Australia. Kluwer Law International. pp. 15–. ISBN 978-90-411-3300-7.

Exactly, plus it has a lot less to do with where the individual members were born, raised or live now, and a lot more to do with where the band formed and the country they are associated with. I imagine this is why the sources all state Australia. Anyway, if we simply go on band members' birthplaces and where they are currently citizens of, we'd be looking at a Scottish/English/British/Australian/New Zealand/American band and thus being ridiculous at the same time. The point about the Bee Gees article doesn't really figure. Articles are not required to be consistent across the board, and I'd be willing to bet that none of the editors who work on the Bee Gees article work on this one. Your answer might lie in that, rather than any kind of conspiracy. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

How can it be in anyway Kiwi band because one member, an Australian citizen, happens to have moved there after the band formed? Truly bizarre.

The band started in Australia. The main members of the band are the Young brothers. They, as well as Rudd, are Australian.

Angus Young says they are an Australian band. He and Malcolm still have houses in Sydney. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew9148 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Influences

AC/DC(ESPECIALLY Angus Young) has cited these artists as major influences: Chuck Berry, Muddy Waters, Led Zeppelin, the easy beats, billie joe williams, the rascals and malcolm young as influences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 22:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

The first source is someone else's ideas of their influences, and the second source is not a reliable source. Ideally, it needs to be a link to an interview in which band members directly state their influences. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Commercialization?

I note that exactly zero tracks are available *electronically* from AC/DC on Amazon.com, Yahoo music and almost certainly other sites. Surely this is noteworthy enough in 2012 to merit a breif explanation?71.31.149.105 (talk) 08:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, it would be a good idea to say in the article that AC/DC are one of the few bands out there who haven't released their music digitally. They're probably the only music artist out of the best-selling artists of all-time who haven't done so. Akdrummer75 (talk) 05:53, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The lineup changes after High Voltage

I would like to put in the introduction that after the recording of High Voltage membership was NOT stable, as is stated, and that Mark Evans and Phil Rudd were eventually recruited, and that's when membership stayed the same until Mark Evans' departure. Akdrummer75 (talk) 05:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

It says that membership stabilised after the release of High Voltage, which is a fact. Both Rudd and Evans joined within a month of the album's release. I've adjusted it slightly, but it wasn't really wrong. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:02, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I see now, it just wasn't clear before. That's better. Akdrummer75 (talk) 06:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Dave Evans Era issues

There needs to be a reference for the part in the Dave Evans era section where it talks about AC/DC playing at Chequers on New Year's Eve, 1973, and the entertainment manager being so impressed by them that he booked gigs for them at the Bondi Lifesaver. I'm not sure, it looks like the editor was trying to say Bondi Lifesaver, but the text is messed up. If we get a reference for that, that part also needs to be fixed. If it's the Bondi Lifesaver, than that needs to be put in there. Akdrummer75 (talk) 06:50, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The text was messed up because someone vandalised it a while back. I've fixed that, good spot. You're right, it does need a citation, and I've tagged it along with the bottom paragraph in that section. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking that bottom paragraph needed a citation also. Thanks man. Akdrummer75 (talk) 06:56, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

New former member

I think Colin Burgess should be added as a former member, as he played drums on AC/DC's first single, "Can I Sit Next To You Girl"/"Rockin' In The Parlour". Agree or disagree? Akdrummer75 (talk) 08:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Removal of citation needed parts.

I am going to remove the parts in the Dave Evans Era section where citations are needed. It's been like that for awhile now and no one has come up with a reference. Does anyone object? Akdrummer75 (talk) 03:35, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Not I. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 16:08, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Who Plays What?

Hi, can someone who knows please clarify which musicians are playing what, especially the original line-up and brothers. It would be nice to have a little info on their musical styles and approaches.

thanks

Ben Billyshiverstick (talk) 01:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean just tell you, or you want it put in the article? Akdrummer75 (talk) 09:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh gosh - I mean put it in the article. That's the kind of stuff I love to learn when reading. If I wanted to know myself I'd just go to a local bar and announce my stupidity and invite correction.... :) tx B

albums

If You Want Blood ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.60.87 (talk) 22:27, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Apparently live albums (compilations as well) aren't supposed to go on that list. Personally, I disagree with it, but that's the "rule", it seems. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Back In Black

It is the second higest selling album in all of history! What the Hell happened? Someone just came in with irrelevant and inaccurate information and suddenly just changed it out of the blue! WTF! Change it back now!71.200.244.226 (talk) 02:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Get a grip, dude. Norum 16:39, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

It has been changed back to the 'second highest selling album' in all of history... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockinggunner (talk • contribs) 12:28, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Genre II

In the info box on the right, under "genre", it lists heavy metal as one. I do not really think that AC/DC should be classified as a heavy metal band, only rock and a hard rock. Norum 16:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I agree with you, AC/DC are not a metal band. But (unfortunately), consensus in past discussions was to have HM in the infobox. Unless enough people want to remove it, thus changing consensus of course. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I think we should have another vote. Norum 21:29, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not really a vote, per Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion - more a debate in which people either agree or disagree to do something. This question is here now anyway, so if people want to get involved, here is the place to do it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I say AC/DC is not heavy metal. Akdrummer75 (talk) 08:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I say the same. Remove the "heavy-metal" genre from the band's info box. Norum 01:12, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Me too - they are the quintessential "Rock" band. Hard Rock maybe, but metal is different. I also believe the article quotes a founding member as preferring the Rock designation, and in the absence of a solid quote from a great source, the founding member's wishes should prevail over any writer's. Billyshiverstick (talk) 01:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, considering that no one has opposed, and four people have supported this change, I'll remove heavy metal from the genre box. Akdrummer75 (talk) 08:23, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

It's worth a shot, but I predict opposition once it's been done ;) Let's hope not. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Of course, there always will be a black sheep.... Norum 19:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Gotta love these discussions - good on y'all dudes (or dudettes)... Billyshiverstick (talk) 04:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Disbanded?!

Why are the "Years active" listed as 1973-2010 and all members as "Former members" when there is no hint for a possible disbanding in the text (to the contrary, there's even a paragraph about future plans). Would anyone care to explain and/or correct? Thanks. 87.193.234.96 (talk) 10:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Possible Mistakes

Hello! This is very good article. Maybe I'm wrong or I don't know English well, but it seems to me this article has the following mistake "AC/DC are.... Here AC/DC are. I mean "are". By the rules of english with band should use "is" because "it is". It can't be used "are" because band is one, if there were many bands it would be "are", but band is one, and should use "is" it is more right than "are". --Slava Denisov — Preceding unsigned comment added by Славанчик (talk • contribs) 12:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

In the American dialect of English, you would be correct and "are" would be poor grammar, but in the British dialect of English, you are wrong and "are" is correct and "is" is a mistake. In British English, a band or a similar collection of people is almost always a plural thing. In American English, fewer collections of people are plural things, but some are, "the police" are plural for example, but "the congregation" is usually not. American English is also inconsistent even with the same type of thing; sports teams whose names have a plural "s" are treated as plural things, but sports teams whose names are not are often treated as singular. Americans would say "The New York Yankees are winning and Manchester United is winning." But if Americans call the Yankees just by their city name, which is commonly done, Americans say "New York is winning". While it looks odd when juxtaposed like that, it's the way it is. Even the English that Americans and the British agree on is filled with odd little inconsistencies. Studerby (talk) 17:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Well most of the members are scottish and scotland is part of Britain, also the lead singer is from england, only the drummer is Australian so its unfair to call them just 'Australian' because the rest of the members are British.So It would be right and respectful to edit it to AC/DC are a 'British-Australian' rock band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.171.112 (talk) 09:45, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Three members are Australian and two British. The Young brothers are Australian citizens. Anyway the first line refers to the band as a whole, not the individual members, and the band was formed in Australia by five Australians. Bretonbanquet (talk) 16:26, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

iTunes & Amazon

Hi. There is a misconception, even by avid AC/DC fans, that the band has music in iTunes. It would be nice if we can make this information more clear to the public that the group has not used iTunes as a distribution channel and has decided to maintain the integrity of their music through albums. The article does a great job in discussing other sources as well such as Sirius and XM. I propose including information as to why iTunes is not used as a music distribution channel, since I've heard many people misunderstood on this information. Thunderstruck67 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:31, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

It appears that they also don't allow Amazon to sell any of their downloads either. Since this seems pretty unique for such a large and popular group, I think a mention of this should be made on the main page about this. Unfortunately, I don't possess any expertise to feel that it would be appropriate for me to do this. Maybe someone with knowledge about this could write a paragraph about the bands decision to apparently boycott Apple and Amazon.

Actually, they just released their whole catalog on iTunes a couple weeks ago. I'm not sure about Amazon though. Akdrummer75 (talk) 21:01, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Lightning bolt!

Because ACDC is awesome, and because / is boring, do you think we can use ϟ instead in all representations of the band name, since ACϟDC always appears as such on their albums and art? If anyone is against it, please explain how having an actual lightning bolt in the band's name is not cooler than a forward slash. If no one is against it, I will promptly change / to ϟ! :) Farglesword (talk) 04:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

The problem with it is that a lot of people (I'm willing to bet most) will not be able to see it – they'll just see a square box where the flash is supposed to be. Wikipedia has to accommodate everyone. Plus even though the band use the lightning bolt, nobody else does; it's always the slash in newspapers, magazines, websites etc. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Breton. Some people just see a box, so everyone needs to be accomodated. Akdrummer75 (talk) 02:05, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Guys, I'm confused

Hi, I’m 45 years old, and I remember 1980 and the booze induced choking deaths of Bon Scott and John Bonham extremely well. In particular, I can remember how in the aftermath of Bon’s death a fan contacted the band to say that Brian Johnson – who after the demise of Geordie had essentially retired from music and begun a scrap metal business - would be an ideal replacement and how the Young brothers subsequently auditioned Johnson on the fan's recommendation and hired him.

Surely this is part of the whole AC/Dc folklore. It was often discussed in the music press and in books about the band from 30 years ago; I distinctly remember Johnson saying how he owed a huge debt of gratitude to that fan, who I understand remains a good friend of the band to this day and I’m rather surprised to find this not mentioned and to now read that Johnson was somehow known to the band – and Bon Scott - all along.--Godwhale (talk) 08:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Most biographies refer to Johnson being on a list of possible replacements put together by the bands management but initially Malcolm Young knocked him back as an option. When they decided to give him an audition he was working for his brother's roofing business and was contacted directly by AC/DC management and invited to audition. The band already knew of Brian Johnson initially via Bon Scott who had seen Geordie and who had reported to the band that Johnson was a great rock singer. The story about the fan doesn't hold up in any of the sources I have researched. FlatOut —Preceding undated comment added 00:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

First American Concert in Austin, Tx at the Armadillo World Headquarters in 1977, not in Flint Michigan

Wiki States, AC/DC's first American exposure was through the Michigan radio station AM 600 WTAC in 1977. The station's manager, Peter C. Cavanaugh, booked the band to play at Flint's Capitol Theater. The supporting act was MC5, who had just briefly reunited and agreed to play at the event. The band opened with their popular song "Live Wire" and closed with "It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'n' Roll)".[28]

With the footnote not leading to any back up article, and the above mentioned statement is vague saying 1977. The setlist link for Flint's Capitol Theater, gives the date of December 5th, 1977 as the night AC/DC played there. A good 4 months after AC/DC's first American concert in Austin, Tx at the infamous Armadillo World Headquarters. With many locations being played, some listed here, before making it to the Capitol Theater in Flint, Michigan. Looks like replications of tour dates here but all the same and coming from different sources and links.

Back up searches found, the following links AC/DC Dates 1977 http://acdctourdates.com/1977-acdc-tour-dates.htm

Apr ?, 1977 Culture House, Helsinki, Finland May ?, 1977 Culture House, Helsinki, Finland Jun ?, 1977 Bondi Lifesavers, Sydney, Australia

Jul 27, 1977 Amarillo World Headquaters, Austin, TX, USA

Jul 28, 1977 Municipal Auditorum, San Antonio, TX, USA Jul 29, 1977 Ritz Music Hall, Corpus Christi, TX, USA Jul 30, 1977 Electric Ballroom, Dallas, TX, USA Nov 25, 1977 Capitol Music Hall, Wheeling, WV, USA Nov 26, 1977 Municipal Auditorum, Charleston, SC, USA Nov 27, 1977 Capri Theatre, Atlanta, GA, USA Nov 29, 1977 Roxy Theatre, Northampton, PA, USA Dec 01, 1977 Riviera Theatre, Chicago, IL, USA Dec 04, 1977 Electric Ballroom, Milwaukee, WI, USA

Dec 05, 1977 Capitol Theatre, Flint, MI, USA

Dec 07, 1977 Atlantic Recording Studios, New York, NY, USA Dec 09, 1977 Mid-South Coliseum, Memphis, TN, USA

Setlist.fm for Capitol Theatre, Flint, Michigan http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/acdc/1977/capitol-theatre-flint-mi-73dcfa35.html AC/DC Gig Timeline Previous concerts • AC/DC Nov 25, 1977 at Capitol Music Hall, Wheeling, WV • AC/DC Nov 26, 1977 at Municipal Auditorium, Charleston, WV Previous concerts • AC/DC Nov 27, 1977 at Capri Theater, Atlanta, GA • AC/DC Nov 29, 1977 at The Garfield, Northampton, PA Previous concerts • AC/DC Dec 1, 1977 at Riviera Theater, Chicago, IL • AC/DC Dec 4, 1977 at The Electric Ballroom, Milwaukee, WI Dec 5, 1977 • AC/DC Dec 5, 1977 at Capitol Theatre, Flint, MI Following concerts • AC/DC Dec 7, 1977 at Atlantic Studios, New York, NY • AC/DC Dec 9, 1977 at Mid-South Coliseum, Memphis, TN

The Austin, Tx article link,

http://www.austinchronicle.com/music/2008-08-29/666442/

Austin defines itself as a musical wellspring, but 31 years ago, up from Down Under came a bubbling crude mostly unknown on Western shores. AC/DC, an Aussie hard rock quintet making its name at home and in Europe, played its first American concert in Downtown Austin at the famed Armadillo World Headquarters, July 27, 1977.

"I remember it like it was yesterday," says Earl Johnson, lead guitarist for veteran Canadian rock group Moxy, whom AC/DC opened for that day. "The vibe was there. Everyone knew they would break."

Setlist.fm, http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/acdc/1977/armadillo-world-headquarters-austin-tx-2bdcfc8e.html

Setlist.fm for Armadillo World Headquarters, Austin, Tx AC/DC Gig Timeline Previous concerts • AC/DC Apr 29, 1977 at Stadthalle, Offenbach • AC/DC Jun 1, 1977 at Bondi Lifesaver, Sydney Jul 27, 1977 • AC/DC Jul 27, 1977 at Armadillo World Headquarters, Austin, TX Following concerts • AC/DC Jul 28, 1977 at Municipal Auditorium, San Antonio, TX • AC/DC Jul 29, 1977 at Ritz Music Hall, Corpus Christi, TX

And what was already posted above which included Austin, Tx AC/DC Dates 1977 http://acdctourdates.com/1977-acdc-tour-dates.htm Apr ?, 1977 Culture House, Helsinki, Finland May ?, 1977 Culture House, Helsinki, Finland Jun ?, 1977 Bondi Lifesavers, Sydney, Australia

Jul 27, 1977 Amarillo World Headquaters, Austin, TX, USA

Jul 28, 1977 Municipal Auditorum, San Antonio, TX, USA Jul 29, 1977 Ritz Music Hall, Corpus Christi, TX, USA Jul 30, 1977 Electric Ballroom, Dallas, TX, USA Nov 25, 1977 Capitol Music Hall, Wheeling, WV, USA Nov 26, 1977 Municipal Auditorum, Charleston, SC, USA Nov 27, 1977 Capri Theatre, Atlanta, GA, USA Nov 29, 1977 Roxy Theatre, Northampton, PA, USA Dec 01, 1977 Riviera Theatre, Chicago, IL, USA Dec 04, 1977 Electric Ballroom, Milwaukee, WI, USA

Dec 05, 1977 Capitol Theatre, Flint, MI, USA

Dec 07, 1977 Atlantic Recording Studios, New York, NY, USA Dec 09, 1977 Mid-South Coliseum, Memphis, TN, USA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlk78745 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Move?

I suggest moving the article to AC/DC (band) and move AC/DC to the disambiguation page, since there are a lot of articles with the same name out there (and besides, this is a type of band, not the main subject of the word "AC/DC".) Epicgenius^{(talk to me • see my contributions)} 23:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• Disagree: This is a featured article and attracts many more visits than other AC/DC pages (6-7,000 visits per day v 5-600 for AC/DC (electricity). It doesn't have to be the root of the term for it to be the main page in a disambiguation. FlatOut 00:11, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose – the band is the primary topic by a long way, despite the original use of the term being something else. There was no objection during the FA process either. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose – This page is right where it should be, other related pages are not the main inquiry for this title. Mlpearc (powwow) 17:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Remove AC/DC Backtracks website from External Links?

The External Links section has a comment asking to discuss removing links here before doing so. The "AC/DC Backtracks" link links to a site that is purely a sales site for the AC/DC Backtracks box set. This is against the following rule in External links/Links normally to be avoided

• Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services

If anyone has a valid reason to keep this link, please say so. Otherwise, I will remove it. Wantnot (talk) 07:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Good pick-up. I don't have any objections. It might be nice to find a better source rather than delete, but I don't feel strongly about it. Flat Out let's discuss it 07:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't see any point in having an external link for this (or any release). This box set already has its own page and is listed in the band discography. (That page has the same link which should also be removed for the same reason). I think it's well covered. Wantnot (talk) 23:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Wantnot , agreed. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:04, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Gene Pierson

There are several references to Gene Pierson in the AC/DC article, 1 is referenced but the reference is not accurate and doesn't mention Pierson. The other two are not referenced. There is however, no mention of managers Michael Browning or Peter Mensch, or tour manager Ian Jeffrey who played large and significant roles in the success of the band. I have found one reference that Pierson "brokered" the arrangement for Scott to join AC/DC as singer but the significant biographies all credit Vince Lovegrove as the person who suggested Scott to George Young who was scouting for a replacement to Dave Evans, and Dennis Laughlin as the person who offered Scott the job. before I edit does anyone want to put a counter view? FlatOut 00:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Please, go ahead and delete it. I knew that part was b.s. from the start, but it was too soon after it was added to delete it. I haven't been on here in awhile, so I never got the chance. But yeah, go ahead. That citation needed tag's been there for awhile now and no one has stepped up. Akdrummer75 (talk) 05:15, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

There is one reference available to confirms Pierson booked AC/DC so that can stay. I have deleted the other unsupported claims and the article now correlates with information at Vince Lovegrove Flat Out let's discuss it 05:24, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Awesome. Glad that eyesore's outta there. Akdrummer75 (talk) 02:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 June 2013

AC/DC Dave Evans is one of the original members of AC/DC along with Angus and Malcolm Young, Colin Burgess and Larry Van Kriedt during the band's foundation. He was a member of the band for a year before being replaced by Bon Scott around October 1974. During his time with AC/DC, Evans recorded one single ("Can I Sit Next To You, Girl"/ "Rocking In The Parlour") which was released in Australia and New Zealand. A promotional video for "Can I Sit Next To You, Girl" was also produced. 173.176.241.162 (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Isn't this already covered in the article? Flat Out let's discuss it 02:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I have closed this edit request as it only consists of rambling with no specific request to edit the article. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 July 2013

"backtracks" (2009), "Iron man 2" (2010) og "Live at river plate" (2012) mangler fra diskografien Herje666 (talk) 11:22, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

 Not done these are suitable for the full AC/DC discography, but here it's studio albums only. Flat Out let's discuss it 11:34, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 October 2013

"Back in Black" is now the fourth biggest selling album by any artist The Eagles's album Their Greatest Hits (1971–1975) passed it. NCFan12312 (talk) 13:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Question

Why are some past members bolded & some past members not bolded? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

album update

the most recent update, talking about the new album, is horribly written, with appalling grammar. Someone please fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.74.208 (talk) 00:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

New book

There is a new book about AC/DC called The Youngs: The Brothers Who Built AC/DC by Jesse Fink, Random House Australia, 2013, that contains new revelations about the band. Should be added to "Further Reading". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bergerac77 (talk • contribs) 10:27, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Genres

How is heavy metal not in the genres? And Rock and Roll in this context is basically the same is hard rock. It's like Ozzy Osbourne calling his music Rock n' Roll even though it's heavy metal (which is of course a sub-genre of rock). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.81.33.59 (talk) 22:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

See: http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/metal/greatest_metal_bands/071406/index8.jhtml and http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/metal/greatest_metal_bands/071406/index8.jhtml

Consensus is that AC/DC are not a good example of a heavy metal band, that the music isn't really heavy metal by many standards and that that genre should not be in the infobox. It has been discussed here a few times. It's mentioned in the text, with the appropriate reference etc. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

How are "Let There Be Rock", "Powerage" and "Highway to Hell" not somewhat heavy metal? They're documented as one of the heaviest albums of all time by Rolling Stone or Guitar World, I forget which one. They're like Van Hale and Aerosmith and other bands of that era that border on Heavy Metal/Hard Rock, and ACDC is no different.108.81.33.59 (talk) 03:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't rate any source that suggested Powerage was "one of the heaviest albums of all time" – it's just a blues rock album. Let There Be Rock is heavier but (in my view) it's still hard blues rock, not heavy metal. It's hardly Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. Clearly what constitutes HM is very subjective – I wouldn't say Van Halen or Aerosmith are HM either. Others, especially people in the US, probably differ, but the consensus was not to have HM in the infobox. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:44, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

"Down Payment Blues" and "Gimme a Bullet" have that heavy metal vibe to them from Powerage. Either way, in the 1970s hard rock and heavy metal were used especially interchangeably. Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Aerosmith, Rainbow, Van Halen and Kiss's pages have heavy metal as a 2nd genre despite being known as hard rock bands. AC/DC is no different from these bands, and that's why it should be there. Also Rock n' Roll doesn't need to be there, it has no reason to. It's redundant having Hard Rock and Rock n' Roll both there. I'm fine with it coming 3rd after blues rock but if their peers all have it then so should AC/DC in my opinion. Also another thing. It's IN THE TEXT that they are pioneers of heavy metal. Lemmy of Motorhead says that they play Rock n' Roll and even resents the label "metal band", but that doesn't make them not a heavy metal band. Of course Motorhead is a heavy metal band but as I stated above as a 70s hard rock band it should be added to keep it consistent with their peers. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 02:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I got as far as "Down Payment Blues" has a heavy metal vibe to it and I can see that we're never going to agree. DPB is as far from metal as AC/DC can get – it's pure blues rock. The other articles you mention have no bearing here, like everything on Wikipedia, and I would class none of those as heavy metal anyway, with the possible exception of some of Deep Purple's stuff, like "Highway Star". Hard rock and rock 'n' roll are not the same thing, and many of the early Bon Scott songs are rock 'n' roll, straight out of the Chuck Berry songbook. I agree with Lemmy about Motorhead, no matter how journalists get it wrong. Infoboxes are supposed to be general, and not just include every genre ever attached to a band. I think the fundamental issue here is that American views on what constitutes heavy metal are very different from views held elsewhere, and these articles have to work on individual consensus. I find calling Led Zeppelin heavy metal as crazy as you find this AC/DC question. If consensus here changes, then we change the article. Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:19, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, Powerage is a bad example but "Go Down", "Let There Be Rock", "Walk All Over You" and "If You Want Blood" all are way more metal than anything on Powerage, at least in terms of the 70s definition of heavy metal. And about the Bon Scott thing, that was with HIS band BEFORE AC/DC, and they ditched the Rock n' Roll thing after their first album pretty much. I don't consider Zeppelin Heavy Metal but what I'm saying is if the consensus is that all their contemporaries including Zeppelin are considered heavy metal even if it's the 70s view on heavy metal, why would there be much opposition to THIS band being labeled heavy metal? And like I said before, in the article itself states they were an early influence of heavy metal, I think that because of that reason alone it should be on there.108.81.33.59 (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not going to get into a discussion about which songs are metal, because I don't think any of them are metal. And no, I'm talking about the first AC/DC albums with Scott: High Voltage, TNT, Dirty Deeds, that stuff. How about "There's Gonna Be Some Rockin'"? Pure 50s-influenced rock 'n' roll. In fact AC/DC were far more rock 'n' roll at that time than either of Scott's previous two bands. The Valentines were a pop band and Fraternity were sort of prog. Whatever the consensus at the articles of other bands, that's great, but it has no bearing on the consensus here. Occasionally somebody comes along and asks for metal to be put in the infobox, like you have, but there is never enough of a demand to make it happen. Not yet anyway. Lastly, influencing a genre does not make a band a part of that genre. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Well that you don't think they're metal AT ALL is solely your opinion. It doesn't change that the band's 70s-80s albums fit the criteria of heavy metal in those days. I don't know how many people have argued to have HM put in the infobox or now many it takes to have a consensus but it doesn't seem like there are many to keep it off either, has there? 108.81.33.59 (talk) 21:53, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

That's the thing, it isn't solely my opinion. The consensus is here. As you can see, nobody wanted to keep HM in the infobox. I think most people are wary of getting into pointless discussions. Also, keep the talk in one place, not four different places. This is the correct place to discuss it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Fine, we'll see if the consensus changes in the future then. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

If you want to gain consensus you need to propose a change with reliable sources and supported by wikipedia policy/guidelines and get the support of other editors. Picking out a few songs as examples of metail doesn't make the case at all. We do not include all genre that may apply, we only include the genre that the overwhelming majority of reliable sources have to say on the subject. Flat Out let's discuss it 00:57, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

2014 news

In 2014, Brian Johnson confirmed that in May AC/DC will be back in studio for recording a new album. He confirmed that even during the F1 Bahrain Grand Prix. Can you please add it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gen712 (talk • contribs) 08:27, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 Not done unless other editors can verify that, it cant be used as a source. Flat Out let's discuss it 08:39, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Broke up

According to several sources including http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2604825/Australia-rock-band-AC-DC-retire-following-band-members-health-concerns.html the band AC/DC have now broken up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gl1tt3r0nth3sn0w (talk • contribs) 09:39, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Gl1tt3r0nth3sn0w, that isn't what the source says. Flat Out let's discuss it 12:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Another source for the band splitting

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/conflicting-reports-surface-regarding-acdcs-future — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredu (talk • contribs) 18:45, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Rumours. We'll need an announcement of some sort from the band or the record company. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Salt Palace trampling

I'm surprised the article does not mention the deaths during an AC/DC concert at the Salt Palace (arena) in 1991. That linked article has sources that match Wikipedia's reliability standards for the incident, it's also briefly mentioned in the article for Razors Edge World Tour. Given that AC/DC settled out of court, it seems it is relevant enough to mention here. Is this a simple omission, or has there been an effort to keep this content off the page? Dave (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's ever been mentioned, which suggests a simple omission. I'd say a short paragraph would be relevant. Put it in, see what happens? Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Added, we'll see what happens Dave (talk) 05:42, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Update needed

Need update: Angus is too sick to perform and seems he won't be getting better. April 15, 2014. 74.60.161.158 (talk) 01:33, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

 Not done this is (a) not sourced and (b) not true. Flat Out let's discuss it 08:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Malcolm Young

I have reverted an edit that stated Malcolm had suffered a stroke/blood clot. There is no confirmation that this is true and it is not what the source says. Anyone making an edit on this subject, please make the the source is reliable and that the edit fairly represents the source. Flat Out let's discuss it 08:52, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, true. We have now solid evidence that Malcolm will take a break from the band as he is ill. Hopefully he'll get better. They also confirmed the they are hitting the studio in May.

Also I have to point out that why isn't Stevie Young listed as a former member of the band? He did the US tour leg in 1988 in the place of Malcolm Young. Temporary yes, but of an member than a punch of other guys that are mentioned on the page. HELP! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.210.65.69 (talk) 11:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I would have to disagree that he was ever "a member of the band." Helping out at a few live shows qualifies him as a session guitarist, same as Tony Currenti was a session drummer. Flat Out let's discuss it 04:38, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Genre - again

Should "rock and roll" really be included as a genre? I mean, according to the Wikipedia page on rock and roll, it says the term is, "referring to the first wave of music that originated in the US in the 1950s and would later develop into the more encompassing international style known as 'rock music,'" With this in mind, rock and roll refers to artists such as Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley, and Little Richard. I don't see how AC/DC fits into that category as none of their songs (to my knowledge) have the signature sound of that era. In addition, every article I've seen on their individual songs categorizes them as "hard rock" or "blues rock". What do you guys think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twyfan714 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source, do you have any other source to support a discussion? Flat Out let's discuss it 01:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Here's a link from Allmusic. It's AC/DC's bio: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/ac-dc-mn0000574772/biography. It does not classify them as simply, "rock and roll." Allmusic also says, "In its purest form, Rock & Roll has three chords, a strong, insistent back beat, and a catchy melody." While I can definitely see the three chords thing, I don't know about the back beat or catchy melody. Here's the link to that page: http://www.allmusic.com/style/rock-roll-ma0000002829. I just think rock and roll isn't the best way to describe AC/DC's music. I personally think "Hard rock, blues rock" describes virtually all their music.Twyfan714 (talk) 01:28, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Allmusic also describes their genre as pop/rock so I wouldn't focus too much on that source. In Rolling Stones Greatest Artists of all time, American producer Rick Rubin described them as "the greatest rock and roll band of all time." See here. They have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, where Rock is a synonym for Rock and Roll. Murray Engleheart, in his book AC/DC Maximum Rock and Roll also described them as the worlds greatest rock and roll band. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:42, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. That is a good point. However, with regards to Allmusic, the pop/rock thing is meant as a general category. What I mean is, even genres like heavy metal and punk fit under the general label of "rock" because those are subgenres. Allmusic isn't necessarily saying that AC/DC's music is pop rock, just that their music is a subgenre of "pop/rock." Also, I am not so sure if an author's opinion necessarily should provide much weight here. Also, just as another example, the Ramones were once reviewed by Newsday's Wayne Robbins as, "'the best young rock 'n' roll band in the known universe.'" However, this does not mean that the Ramones should be considered "rock and roll" because it is more accurately described as punk rock. In my opinion, rock and roll is a somewhat misleading label, and "Hard rock, blues rock" is a more accurate label for AC/DC. That's just my two cents. Twyfan714 (talk) 01:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Motorhead calls their music "rock and roll", so does Ozzy Osbourne. Rock and Roll in AC/DC's sense is just a general term. Yes, I think it should also be taken out. Heck it's way closer to heavy metal than rockabilly 50s Rock n' Roll, but nobody on here knows anything about genres so nobody wants to put in heavy metal as the 3rd genre. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 03:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Most people on here do know about genres, which is why heavy metal isn't in the infobox. Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:21, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Wrong. You actually just proved my point by saying that. If you read the article itself it even contradicts the hippies saying it doesn't belong in the infobox. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 04:17, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Rubbish. Come back when you have a consensus. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Band Members

I reverted a good faith that A.C.D.C are now gay for each other really much,..sex bomb., and brought here for discussion. There are a few issues as I see them. The first is that Stevie Young played rhythm guitar in the studio for the upcoming album, that doesn't necessarily make him a band member and his presence is noted in the line-up tables elsewhere. Malcolm is on hiatus due to ill-health but I don't believe he has "left the band." Flat Out let's discuss it 23:39, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

IMO, there has been NO change to AC/DC's lineup, Stevie will be credited for his contributions to the album. Until there's an update to Malcolm's health issues or the band goes out on tour and see what's up then. Mlpearc (open channel) 23:47, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

How about we put in both Malcolm and Stevie in the lineup, with a note noting that Malcolm is on break. When Malcolm gets better, Stevie goes onto the former members list. How does that sound? Future WWE Champion, DrewieStewie (talk) 02:56, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

If you can provide a reliable source that backs that up, please do. Mlpearc (open channel) 03:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

The line-up tables covers Stevie's recent contribution off as a studio musician only and I feel this is correct. Last time Mal took a break while on tour in the U.S he wasn't removed from the band's line up and I don't see that this situation is much different. Flat Out let's discuss it 05:32, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Question: How do we do sources on the info box? Future WWE Champion, DrewieStewie (talk) 03:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Same as anywhere else but probably not needed if covered in the article body. Flat Out let's discuss it 05:32, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Stevie Young

On what basis is Stevie Young a 2014 touring member? Flat Out let's discuss it 11:23, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you. When somebody put that, I did think of changing it but I couldn't think of what to change it to. I thought of "temporary member" but we don't know if he'll be temporary or permanent. What do you think? Bretonbanquet (talk) 11:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I would say that if they tour with him in 2014 then what is currently there is correct. Until then I don't think it should be there at all. Flat Out let's discuss it 04:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

You mean to have him there under the other members with no subsection heading, or to remove him altogether? Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I would remove him from this article altogether. His presence on the 88 tour is covered in List of AC/DC band members and was only a few shows as far as I know, but if he embarks on a 2014 tour as a starting member then I see that as significant and that Touring Member, 1988, 2014 - would then be appropriate. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

But he's on the forthcoming album, so people will inevitably re-add him. We don't know yet whether he'll be credited on it (we all know what AC/DC are like), but he's definitely on it, so he's at least a session musician or a stand-in or something. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:43, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

That's covered at the List of AC/DC band members :) P.S I'm retired so I'll leave it to your best judgement. Flat Out let's discuss it 00:48, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

True, but to all intents and purposes he's a current member, albeit of lesser status. It's a difficult one. It would help if he band announced exactly what he'll be doing with them in the future, but I guess Malcolm's situation isn't all that clear at the moment. I've tried to clarify it a bit and taken out the "touring member" heading. If anyone has any further comments or suggestions, we'll take it from there. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Band is Australian, but only Rudd is native Australian

I want a section that mentions that the only mainstaying band member in AC/DC that is actually from Australia is Phil Rudd. Bon, Brian, the Youngs and Cliff were all born in the UK. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 06:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

A curious reference is what appears on http://music.uk.msn.com/features/the-best-scottish-singers-and-bands#image=7 about "The best Scottish singers and bands". The AC/DC page says: "AC/DC's Wikipedia page might tell you they're from Australia, but Angus and Malcolm Young were born in Scotland, and the band's original singer Bon Scott (RIP) came from Forfar - they had neeps and tatties in their blood.". Well the Wikipedia page does say Angus and Malcolm Young were "Scottish-born Australian guitarist"s and that Bon Scott was a Scottish-born Australian rock musician... So clearly we are acknowledging, contrary to what the article says, their Scottish origins and birthplace. But the way its written in the MSN Music page article, is as if we totally ignore this.. Just anything I guess to get back at Wikipedia werldwayd (talk) 00:24, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

This request needs some perspective. Place of birth is relatively meaningless when you consider where they have lived and now reside. Bon Scott was born in Scotland before immigrating to Australia with his parents and siblings when he was 6 years old. Scott was living in England at the time of his passing. Both Brian Johnson and Cliff Williams were born in England and now live in Florida, USA. Angus and Malcolm Young were born in Scotland before immigrating to Australia with their parents and a sister when they were 8 and 10 years old respectfully. Angus Young now lives in both Gelderland, Netherlands, and New South Wales, Australia. Malcolm Young now lives in England. Phil Rudd was born in Australia and now lives on North Island, New Zealand. What makes even residencies a redundant guide is the fact that AC/DC was formed in Australia where their early creations were successful enough to give them the start toward their global success. Factrules (talk) 02:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2014 "Further reading: Wall, Mick: Hell Ain´t a Bad Place to be (2012)"

Gym7913 (talk) 15:34, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The request you have made is blank. Stickee (talk) 06:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2014 Ticket Presale World Record

Please add the following right above the "Legacy Paragraph":

On December 15. they retrieve a new Worldrecord, for the fastest selling Ticket Presale Worldwide. In 77 Minutes more than 300.000 Tickets for the Upcoming Tour were sold for the 9 Shows in Germany, and the Tour was completely sold out.

Lillpette2000 (talk) 12:48, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2015

AC/DC is an Australian hard rock band, 71.93.75.56 (talk) 02:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Yes, they are. If you're referring to "AC/DC are an Australian hard rock band" this article is written in British english, the are is correct. Mlpearc (open channel) 02:34, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

AC⚡DC

Why don't we write "AC⚡DC" instead of "AC/DC", it better reflects their logo visually and / is not an acceptable character in file's names. SF 83.13.239.255 (talk) 16:27, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Because the unicode symbol you used is showing as a box or space on many desktops (including mine), AC/DC is common use in text on the band, and it doesn't create any file naming issues. Flat Out let's discuss it 22:49, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Former members in band template

Should all 15 former official members be listed in the band's template to make the list complete and accurate? I think doing so would make sense. 173.51.130.250 (talk) 01:24, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Phil Rudd's troubles

Since Phil Rudd is still having troubles, I don't think his name should be in the "current members" column, --123.2.142.50 (talk) 02:37, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

123.2.142.50 until a reliable source says he is out he is a current member . Flat Out let's discuss it 02:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2015

In the list on the members Phil Rudd has been swaped with Chris Slade as the current drummer. Frozenmax17 (talk) 10:51, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

There is a discussion going on in this page about this issue. You should contribute to it instead of asking for semi-protection.--Gorpik (talk) 11:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: checked, not so. Mlpearc (open channel) 12:50, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2015

Move Phil Rudd to Past Members. Move Chris Slade back to current members. 203.208.66.58 (talk) 05:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

 Not done there has been extensive discussion on this point and the consensus is to leave the membership at present unless a clear announcement is made on Rudd's future. Flat Out let's discuss it 06:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

To be fair, it's only the consensus of a few moderators. The majority of comments above support moving Chris to the current column at least. It would be interesting to see the decision of some moderators who have no preference one way or another in the band and what they would rule. I have no idea if there is a process for that or how it works, but it seems to me that this should be reviewed by impartial people as this article is becoming more outdated and non-factual as time passes. 67.224.16.233 (talk) 23:28, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble

There are no moderators here. We edit by consensus not voting or majorities. If you wish to apply a Wikipedia policy or reliable source to support your change please do so as rehashing the same point is achieving nothing. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Whatever the case may be, there does not seem to be a consensus here. You may say I am rehashing, but you have not addressed my concern about Chris being left in the past member section on the sidebar. He is, for a fact, performing the duties of the band's drummer currently and that fact is not in dispute. The band acknowledges that he is their current drummer. What is not known is the duration that Chris will be the current drummer. If Phil Rudd or another drummer returns, he can easily be returned to the past members list. Some editors point to the band's website which is without a doubt, outdated and not a reliable source. I do believe dispute resolution needs to be looked into here. WP:DRN If you wish to keep Rudd as a current member as well, I have no problem with that. But keeping Chris as a past member in the sidebar while he is currently performing the drumming duties for the foreseeable future seems inaccurate to me. The sidebar is my biggest beef with this article. I will say that I am content with the way Rudd and Slade's pages are edited. I had no part in the editing of them. Those pages are not protected like this one. Editors have seemed to reach a consensus on those pages and the consensus on them reflect reality better than this semi-protected page. Rudd's page states that his future with the band is unknown and Slade's does list him as a touring member, but it reflects his current status as the band's drummer in a factual way. The end of Slade's article states "Slade will serve as the band's drummer for the duration of their 2015 tour." The AC/DC article here does not agree with the band member articles. Short of dispute resolution, change the sidebar and I'll be satisfied. 67.224.16.233 (talk) 23:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble