Talk:AMC and Jeep transmissions

Expansion

When I get some more time to expand the article, I may add section stubs in. I don't agree with removing stub status on an article with major sections missing yet.

Also: may we refrain from having an article duplicating each section? A redirect to the main article would be more appropriate, as so may automotive parts appear to have lots of small articles with little real information in them. i.e. Some engine families appear to have a whole article on each displacement, even with all parts being block-interchangeable, and the articles all have the same introduction with just a short set of technical specifications there. Not that someone couldn't write a comprehensive view of just one model, but people seldom do.

Related: "Jeep four wheel drive systems" should not be duplicating information from here. It should be one place or the other. We should not be listing model/year/option combinations, that exists there. See following:

Applications:

• Jeep Cherokee (XJ)
• Jeep Wrangler (YJ, TJ, JK) 1987–Present
• Jeep Grand Cherokee (ZJ) 1993–1996
• Jeep Liberty (KJ) 2002–Present

is not what the goal is here.

Also, my biggest difficulty currently is in finding specifications for some of the NP transfer cases, especially the 24X line. Help would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuor~enwiki (talk • contribs) 01:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a mess

First off, this article needs to be totally reorganized so that it's easier to read and it complies with the Manual of Style. Also, the article should use more proper terms (i.e. "V8" instead of "V-8") and less abbreviations (i.e. "1969" instead of "'69") --ApolloBoy 00:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, most of this info can be put into articles on each transmission, and just leave this as a list of the transmissions and their applications. This is incredibly incomplete anyway, most of the info on earlier stuff is either missing or incorrect. --Sable232 01:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

If you feel it incomplete (it is...), feel free to research and add to it. Thru is equally valid as through, it is a matter of dialect, IMO, but whatever. Tuor 04:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, if you can point me to where in the MOS It is in remiss, that would help! I can't seem to find what your referring to there. Is there a page that describes engine terms (V8/V-8)? It appears both ways in many articles and I have wondered if there is a guide to that.

Tuor 04:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I think what ApolloBoy is referring to is that the info is put into a bunch of tables that include more or less unnecessary information (material, cooling) and the tables aren't in order (or at least not one that I can make sense of). I'm trying to figure out a way to make sense of all this, but I can't right now. --Sable232 04:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, like Sable232 said, it would be much better to simply put in all of the transmission info into their respective pages (or create pages for them) rather than clump all the info together in a single page. Also, your sections have improper capitalization. They should be like "Early Jeep transmissions" rather than "Early Jeep Transmissions". A bigger problem I see with this is that the entire article has incomplete sections and poor organization, making it very hard to read. Again, I would much rather see this as a simple list with wikilinks to various transmissions and transfer cases (along the lines of this), rather than as a convoluted article filled with unfinished tables and sections. --ApolloBoy 05:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that this page is not very well laid out. There are alot of inconsistancies with wording/abbreviations (i.e. some times it is V-6, sometimes V6) which need to be unified. There also does not appear to be much of a structure to the article. I am still trying to figure this one out. Btwoodward 15:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I've just completed a major edit of the article; I hope it's helped some. I worked mainly on organization, consistency, mechanics (grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc), formatting, and encyclopedic tone. I have only a foggy understanding of the subject matter so someone else will have to deal with the actual content of the article and add the source information that is so desperately needed. I tried hard to be very careful about what information I kept, removed, and added, but if I've made mistakes (and I admit that it's entirely possible that I have, despite my best efforts to the contrary), then I offer my apologies in advance, and I'm deeply grateful to those who find and fix my mistakes. -- edi(talk) 07:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Is this article really needed? "AMC and Jeep Transmissions" is odd to put together. Jeep is a vehicle division that has been owned by Willys Overland, AMC, and now Chrysler. The transmissions have been from all different companies including Aisin-Warner, Chrysler, and others. There is already an article for transmissions on Aisin-Warner, Chrysler, and many more. If I want to find out what transmission a certain vehicle used, I can generally go to that vehicle's article to find out. This article really seems to be duplicating information more than contributing. Alexia Smith (talk) 06:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

This article starts by describing that it covers transmissions used in specific AMC/Jeep vehicle models and years. They are not discussed in the articles about those vehicles. The years covered do not include pre-AMC ownership of Jeep, and thus there should be no attempt to include Willis, Kaiser, etc. Therefore, I beg to differ with Alexia Smith and think that this article needs to be greatly expanded and include more depth. Thanks! CZmarlin (talk) 15:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Great info here, however.......

This should be broken up into other separate articles.

Torque Flites

Aisin's

New Venture Gear

etc.

--Dana60Cummins (talk) 21:44, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

SR4 behind V8?

The article states the Borg-Warner SR4 transmission was only used in combination with 4- and 6-cylinder engines, but according to http://www.amcyclopedia.org/node/77 it was available for the 304 cid V8 in 1979 (one year only) as well. --193.25.183.52 (talk) 09:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

That is correct. I have edited that out, and will come back as I have time and edit some more. There were a few other corrections that needed to be made, i.e -- the 2.5L Iron Duke used from 1980-83 by AMC had the small block Chevy V8 pattern. 1983+ AMC 2.5L fours used the small Chevy V6 pattern, not V8. Farna (talk) 14:33, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Merger Proposal

I suggest we merge AMC_and_Jeep_transmissions#Transfer_cases with Jeep four-wheel-drive systems because the two articles overlap extensively.VX1NG (talk) 18:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Moved all transfer case specific information from Jeep four-wheel-drive systems to this article. Moved all Jeep four-wheel drive systems information to Jeep four-wheel drive systems article. Pretty much, split the two by which ones have tradenames and which ones do not.VX1NG (talk) 18:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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