Talk:Abi Branning

early image

Why has the inferior 2007 image been put on here. The other one was from not much later than that anyway.GunGagdin^Moan 22:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Because GSorby wanted it. You can revert it though. But I don't see the need for an early image. It doesn't pass NFCC#8. –anemoneprojectors– 22:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

None of our images do, according to policy lurkers on here!GunGagdin^Moan 22:50, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

shhh lol –anemoneprojectors– 23:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: M.Mario (talk · contribs) 16:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I will review the article per request at my talk page. — M.Mario (T/C) 16:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Lead and Infobox

• The creator is used in the infobox, but not the introducer. Introducer is more prominent, so I would change creator to introducer. Done
• "She first appeared in the show on 3 July 2006. The character and her casting was announced on 25 May 2006. She and her immediate family—father Max (Jake Wood), mother Tanya (Jo Joyner) and older sister Lauren (Madeline Duggan/Jacqueline Jossa) — are an extension of the popular and long-running Jackson/Branning clan, who has appeared in the serial since 1993". -> She was introduced by executive producer Kate Harwood on 3 July 2006 as an extension to the Branning family, along with father Max (Jake Wood), mother Tanya (Jo Joyner) and older sister Lauren (Madeline Duggan, later played by Jacqueline Jossa). Done
• "Fitzgerald, in her first major role, began filming for the soap in May 2006 and made her first appearance on-screen in July" -> Not needed. Done
• Split lead into two parts now, first past as the introduction, second part Reception. Done
• "Kate White of Inside Soap praised both Fitzgerald and her character, saying "In actress Lorna Fitzgerald, EastEnders has the brightest young star in soap. The rest of her family are getting all the juicy stuff right now, but Abi's destined for great dramatic things. Mark our words". -> Cut down quote Done.
• "award" after "Best Young Actor" is not needed. Done
• Mention more of Abi's up to date storyline and partnered reception, like her 'Romeo and Juliet' relationship with Jay. Done

Plot

• Any chance of a cut down? Remove any uneccesary details. (such as Max and Tanya kissing, Lucas being a murderer..) Plot needs a small rewrite, not so much long winded sentences. Done
• Actor names missing. Done
• Dont mention Jossa until she actually appears, so say "... Lauren (now played by Jacqueline Jossa).
• "They plan to run away, but fail as they are caught by their parents." -> who? Done
• "tells Ben to the same" -> Makes no sense. Done
• "defending her father to her mother and sister" -> Names, rather than mother (Tanya), father (Max) Done
• "Progressing into her teens" -> Rmv. Done
• LATER is mentioned 14 times in Plot! Done
• TV -> television Done
• "They go to buy a new one, but they have a car crash and Greg and Tanya's wedding day the next day" -> makes no sense.
• "recover fully" odd turn of phrase. Done
• "Months later, Abi, Ben and Lola cause trouble and Abi is arrested for stealing trainers. When Abi is mugged, Lola teaches her how to self defend." -> Abi, Ben and Lola begin to terrorise Grace Olubunmi (Ellen Thomas) and stealing shoes, which leads her to later getting arrested. Abi is subsequently mugged, which leads Lola to teach her self defence. —Not needed, too much detail.

C&C and SD

• Can the image caption be expanded? The image is also very crammed up when you open up all the family from the infobox. I would do: Development, leading into C&C and Storyline D. Subsections. —This is fine as is. My screen doesn't cram the image up.
• Abi Branning -> Abi. Done
• Lorna Fitzgerald -> Fitzgerald Done
• "Abi Branning, played by Lorna Fitzgerald, was introduced in 2006 by executive producer Kate Harwood. The character and her casting was announced on 25 May 2006.[1] She and her immediate family—father Max (Jake Wood), mother Tanya (Jo Joyner) and older sister Lauren (Madeline Duggan until 2010, Jacqueline Jossa thereafter)—are an extension of the popular and long-running Jackson/Branning clan, who has appeared in the serial since 1993. Fitzgerald, in her first major role, began filming for the soap in May 2006 and made her first appearance on-screen in July" -> This is the lead repeated! Remove all of this, and move the mothers reaction part all up, changing it to Introduction and characterisation. Then do a small introduction into it. Done
• Maybe put the mothers word in quotations? Give it a bit of variety (Not a GA criteria, Personal Preference). —If you want this, you do it.
• "Abi's earlier storylines consist of her parents fighting for custody of her and her siblings,[5] and being injured in a collision with Deano Wicks' (Matt Di Angelo) car,[6] helping her friend Ben Mitchell (Charlie Jones) with his abuse from stepmother Stella Crawford (Sophie Thompson)[7][8] and being held hostage is the local café by Nick Cotton (John Altman).[9] In August 2009, it was announced that Abi will suggest to Tanya and Jane Beale (Laurie Brett) that they should switch lives for a week.[10] In September 2009, Abi and her friend Jordan Johnson (Michael-Joel David Stuart) find Jordan's mother Trina's (Sharon Duncan Brewster) decaying body in the summerhouse at the allotments having been accidentally killed by Jordan's father, Lucas (Don Gilet).[11] In February 2011, it was reported that Abi would be involved in a car accident along with Max and would suffer severe injuries after their car collides with a lorry on the way to Tanya's wedding to her new partner Greg Jessop (Stefan Booth). The crash scenes were filmed on 6 March 2011[12] and aired on 14 April 2011.[13]" -> Delete, rehash of Plot. Only use quoted material in this section. Sorry for saying this, but it is not needed. —Useful as a short descriptions of major storylines with references, which most GAs have.
• Jo Joyner -> Joyner Done
• "character start a relationship with Roxy Mitchell (Rita Simons)." -> Not needed. Done
• "I reckon Roxy [would] be a good match for him too - he'd be happy to learn a few things from her, I'm sure!" -> not needed. Done
• "Abi becomes distracted, but soon realises that she can't leave Jay.[17] Abi is thrilled to hear that Jay cannot live without her but is later livid when Tanya accepts the scholarship trip without her consent.[17] Jay then proposes to Abi, saying that they can go to Costa Rica on their honeymoon, to which Abi accepts.[17] Abi is later convinced to attend the scholarship and Jay issue's her with an ultimatum, him or the trip.[18] Abi decides to leave for the trip, leaving Jay devastated.[18]" -> Rehash of Plot again. Done
• The links for Jay is not needed just put Jay (Borthwick)... so on, so on. Done

Reception

• "Jane Simon of the Daily Mirror said that Abi is a "real soft touch". -> Move to Charaterization. Done
• "A show insider said in February 2012" -> Dinner lady? -> This is quoted from the Daily Mirror, so I don't care.
• Use things like, Stewart joked about this, This critic disliked this storyline, However this critic did... :) Done

Other

• Rmv Locations from references. —Whatever that means...

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Edit Warring

Please stop it. I have locked the article for 24 hours. Please discuss any proposed edits here for the time being. Thank you. [If there is a further need for my attention please ping me as I am not adding this page to my already insane watch list.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

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Seeing as the IPs cannot be arsed to come here I'll start this instead.
Her full name should be in the article because "Abi" can be short for anything ..... And just to note her full name's been in the article for 7 years!. –Davey2010^Talk 00:24, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

There is consensus to only list the names by which a character is credited (unless there is a compelling reason to list other names, which are discussed on an individual basis). Abi cannot be short for anything, but it doesn't matter what it's short for because in the real world, the character is known as Abi Branning and nothing else. — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 12:33, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

That's not correct, she was known as Abigail as well Cexycy (talk) 21:25, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I've struck as per below, (I'd complete forgot about this rant otherwise I would've binned it hours ago!). –Davey2010^Talk 21:51, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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When does this page get unlocked?

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I know there's edit warring and this page is on high level protection, but when does it get unlocked?

Why is there like (1996-2018) in the lead? Her last appearance is noted and more to the point, Abi didn't exist in 1996 because as we say characters are not real and not born, but created and written out.

And we've now removed full names in preference of credited names, with exceptions that are truly significant like Dorothy for Dot and characters credited by full then shortened names such as Bex has been credited as Rebecca and Fi was Sophie in her childhood stint. Grangehilllover (talk) 01:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

It gets unlocked at midnight,

No idea why "(1996 - 19 January 2018)" is in the lede and until now didn't even reliase it was,

The name as been restored however her name now also appears in the infobox title so that needs removing too,

Hopefully the warring IPs will show their faces and shed some light for us!. –Davey2010^Talk 01:47, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

The article has been locked until 23:54 wiki-standard time on 28 January 2018. Perhaps this would be a good time to discuss possible edits and get consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:32, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Well that (1996-1998) thing from the lead really does need removing. We do not do it full stop with my point above in bold. Abi is not real, she is a character and she never existed in 1996. And I think @AnemoneProjectors: knows about the lead names-we just do credited names I believe, with exceptions like Dorothy for Dot Branning. Grangehilllover (talk) 12:12, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Consensus is well-established across Wikipedia so I've removed the dates of birth and death (fictional characters are not born and do not die, they are created and written out, so we list their first and last episodes). I changed "was" back to "is" because Abi will always be a character from EastEnders. And I changed her name back to the credited name per prior consensus as well. — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 12:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Looking at various short-named articles other than Dot the rest don't have full names so I don't really see why her full name needs to be here either, She's never been called Abigail ever I don't think but then again I was going by consensus (or the fact it's remained for 10 years), Meh if there's a common consensus not to have full names then I guess I support its removal. –Davey2010^Talk 15:17, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

The character's full first name is Abigail. It was used a few times. I'm sorry but that is a fact. Maybe we can lose the dates but the full name should stand without a doubt and there was no consensus as such, just a few people reverting the edit but no proper discussion. By the way she did not exist in 1996 or any year as she is fictional. Cexycy (talk) 21:24, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

But she's never been credited as Abigail. A google search on Abigail Branning comes back as just Abi [1] and she's never once been credited as Abigail. The removal of names the character is not credited with full forenames or middle names is practically for the same reason as we do not list surnames a character has never been credited by. Grangehilllover (talk) 21:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

+1 - I too did a search prior to my above reply and came to the exact same conclusions as Grange - Searching "Abigail Branning Eastenders" comes back with Abi.... She's credited as Abi so it seems kinda silly to include her full name, Because we're used to seeing it I suppose it feels weird it going but you'll get used to it. –Davey2010^Talk 21:49, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, she has only ever been credited as Abi Branning, so in the real world she is only called Abi Branning. Abigail might be her full name in the EastEnders universe and it might have been used once or twice, but we're not concerned with that. Articles are written from a real-world perspective, so this is why we only list credited names (with a few exceptions of which this should not be one). — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 23:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I have added a little bit which should please everyone now. Occasionally referred to as Abigail Branning as this is correct and it does not interfere with the name at the start of the paragraph. Cexycy (talk) 14:39, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Look, she's just simply Abi. If we did that, then everyone would go OTT and some take it overboard, like put nicknames. Grangehilllover (talk) 15:09, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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Abi Branning IS a fictional....

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I know there's a thing going on with is and was, but we use "is a fictional character" across all soap pages, right, even when a character has left? Tell me if I'm wrong, but it's because Abi will always be an EE character and we can easily watch episodes from years back where she was alive and because EE is watched in other countries, where they're behind at times. But it's always is, right? Grangehilllover (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I see it in the sense of "She's dead and no longer with is" and so 'is' gives the impressions she's still alive if that makes sense, Whereas 'was' gives the impression she was alive and no longer is ....., Take Stephen Hawkins for a complete random example "He was an English theoretical physicist" .... It would be wrong to put "He is an English theoretical physicist" because he's no longer with us, But that's just my 2c and if consensus is to use 'is' then that's cool. –Davey2010^Talk 19:46, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

He was a real person whilst Abi is a character played by someone who is a television show creation. She's never going to stop being a character. Take a character like Mel Owen who left 16 years ago, a character that left of her own accord, and until before we knew she was back, was Mel still a character from EE? Yes. Abi having an exit where she dies is no different to those characters hopping into a black cab, except those who do the latter can return if they can. Grangehilllover (talk) 05:52, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Grangehilllover You're right. It should read "Abi Branning is a fictional character" etc etc. The reason being, she is always going to be a fictional character regardless of whether or not she is currently appearing. Hope that makes sense. 5 albert square (talk) 12:59, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Abi Branning is not dead because she is a fictional character - she has a death in one of the episodes but she is not dead because she lives on through the fiction. Look at old episodes on YouTube from when she arrives in the show. Does she look dead to you? She didn't cease to be a fiction character from EastEnders earlier this year because she will always be a fictional character from EastEnders. Professor Hawking cannot always be a theoretical physicist, just like I cannot always be a Wikipedia editor, because real people die and stop doing what they did when they were alive. But Abi isn't a real person, never was and never will be. Fictional characters don't die, because fiction doesn't just disappear because you finished watching it or reading it. Even in 1000 years' time, Abi Branning will be a fictional character from EastEnders. — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 17:40, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

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