Talk:Abigail Larson

INF1005: Education and Outreach

Creating this article was my contribution for an assignment for INF1005: Education and Outreach at the University of Toronto's iSchool. I selected this topic for my assignment based on a Women in Red redlist. Huge thanks to all the folks over there in the WikiProject for their help with this!

KRKwrites (talk) 05:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

This article is huge for a first contribution. Barnstar Victuallers (talk) 16:29, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that illustrator Abigail Larson does her sketching, linework, and base colors on paper before she finishes her coloring digitally? Source: [1]
  • ALT1: ... that illustrator Abigail Larson once designed a bottle label for the Vincent Price Signature Wine Collection to benefit the Edgar Allan Poe Museum? Source: [2]
  • Reviewed: none yet!
  • Comment: Hello! This is my first nomination (suggested by User:TSventon, thank you!) so I apologize if I did anything wrong. I read through the guidelines but wasn't completely sure how to format my source link (like if I'm supposed to be linking to the citation in the article or to the source that is cited in that citation). Anyway, let me know if there's any issues and thanks for your time! :)

Created by KRKwrites (talk). Self-nominated at 15:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Abigail Larson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• The hook isn't the most interesting. Maybe try the wine and beer thing? maybe wine beer and shoes? Or Beer shoes Evanescence and wine? Other than that the article was created in the past seven days . It hasn't been featured on the Main Page's In the news section and hasn't previously appeared as a "qualifying article" in an earlier DYK. It contains at least 1,500 characters of readable prose and is not a stub. The hook fact(s) is stated in the article, and is immediately followed by an inline citation to a reliable source (well the Ink & Arrows Magazine is fine the artist FAQ is not) The article in general uses inline cited sources. Sources are properly labelled in a references section and the references do not have bare URLs. The article contains no dispute templates. The article does not violate Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living people. The article does not contain plagiarism or close paraphrasing. The article deals with the subject in a neutral manner. The hook is properly formatted and is shorter than about 200 characters. The hook does not have neutrality problems or undue emphasis on a negative aspect of a living individual. The hook does not contain a redlink There is no image.©Geni (talk) 17:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

• @Geni Fair enough – it is just a pretty unusual way to do illustration these days, the people interviewing her always seem surprised when she explains it LOL. I thought it was super interesting which is why I used it as the hook. But I can put forward an alternate like "...that illustrator Abigail Larson once designed bottle labels for the Vincent Price Signature Wine Collection to benefit the Edgar Allan Poe Museum?" or something. KRKwrites (talk) 03:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

• That's viable although we could go with the original if you really want.©Geni (talk) 09:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• I'm happy with the alternate if you think it's better!! :) KRKwrites (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• you need to submit it in the form ** '''ALT1''': ...©Geni (talk) 19:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oh, I'm sorry about that! I missed this notification. I added ALT1, should be okay now — let me know if not. Thank you for your help :) KRKwrites (talk) 20:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Either hook although the source for the second isn't the best as its the museum itself.©Geni (talk) 20:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Abigail Larson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Z1720 (talk · contribs) 22:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I am going to complete a review momentarily. I will start with general comments as I skim through the article. Once those are addressed I will take a deep dive into specifics. Comments will be below the reviewers template below momentarily. Z1720 (talk) 22:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• The lede is quite short, and I think it can have a second paragraph.
• The "Careers" section contains many short paragraphs of two or three sentences. These should be merged together.
• The "Careers" section has lots of commentary and reviews on Larson's work. Reviews of specific work is off-topic for this article and should be moved to the artistic work's article. Reviews or information about Larson's artistic style should be in the "Artistry" section.
• What makes "Black Nerd Problems", "Art Rocket", "Comic Book Realm", a reliable source?
• Ref 2 is a dead link
• Refs 22, 24, 25, 36, 37, 46, 53, 58, 64, 70: Per MOS:ALLCAPS these should not be in all caps and changed to title case.
• Suggest archiving the sources using IA Bot

Please ping me when the above are addressed and I'll continue my review. Z1720 (talk) 22:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'm so sorry for responding to this so late. Thank you so much for taking on this review! Unfortunately I'm up against a major school deadline. I'm hoping to address these points on Monday, but that's after the 7-day hold, so I understand if the article fails your GA review. Just wanted to let you know I saw this and intend to make some edits. KRKwrites (talk) 05:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@KRKwrites: I'll keep this open if progress is made in the next few days. If not, I'll close it and the article can be renominated when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 15:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience. I finally found some time for this and made several edits. Will address these points one by one :)

• Lede -- Noted, I expanded the lede. Not sure how good the new lede is, but I guess it will be assessed in review.
• "Careers" -- I ended up just restructuring this. Now has fewer short paragraphs and I have removed the commentary/reviews. I also went back in to the "Artistry" section to provide more info about style.
• "Black Nerd Problems" -- magazine with editorial staff, "Art Rocket" -- the link is to a tutorial created for the site by Abigail Larson, this source is only used to support "Larson has stated"-type claims, "Comic Book Realm" -- I'm less sure about this one, I just knew of it as one of the more well-known comic book price aggregator websites (even mentioned a few times in Comic book price guide) which is why I pulled from there. I just used it to verify credits. If there's a different source I should use for that instead, let me know.
• Ref 2 -- jeez LOL, that's rotten luck. Between my creation of this article and now, this magazine apparently re-launched/came off a several-year hiatus and as a result re-launched their website. The old website is supposed to be available in an archived version but the link the new site provides for that is broken. I reached out to the magazine's staff to see if they can help with this.
• MOS:ALLCAPS addressed.
• Archived sources using IABot.

KRKwrites (talk) 06:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

For the article layout, I suggest:

• Lede
• Early life and education
• Career
• Personal life (if this can be expanded, if not merge with Career)
• Artistry
• Honors and awards (additional legacy or influence information can also go here)
• Publications and credits
• References

This will align the layout with other articles on Wikipedia, making the information easier for the reader to find.

Other prose comments:

• "The project was funded through Kickstarter." Needs a citation

Source review

• Sources verified: 1, 5, 10, 20, 21, 24, 36
• Ref 11: "She uses sharp, angular lines and dark or muted color palettes." The source is only speaking about her work in one publication, and does verify this information. This should be reworded or removed.
• Ref 14: "Larson has contributed artwork to several games by Choice of Games." This is not verified by the source.
• Ref 15: "Beginning in 2020, Larson was a character designer on the Netflix Animation original series Blue Eye Samurai." Source lists her as an artist, not a character designer
• No earwig concerns
• No formatting concerns

Image review

• No licencing concerns.
• Replace px with upright per MOS:UPRIGHT
• Suggest alt text per MOS:ALT

Please ping me when you are ready for another look. Z1720 (talk) 14:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

• Article re-arranged as recommended
• I provided a citation for the Kickstarter claim.
• Ref 11 (now Ref 19): I added another source where Larson describes her general style as "angular". I can just take this sentence out if that would be better. It's not the most vital point to make, but it is pretty readily apparent when looking at her art.

Wikipedia authors cannot draw their own conclusions and add them to the article, as that would be considered original research. Instead, Wikipedia articles can only state what is said in the sources. If the sources do not state something, it cannot be in the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

• Ref 14 (now Ref 7): I created a new reference group for Larson's Choice of Games credits.
• Ref 15 (now Ref 9): Okay so this one is a little bit tricky. You're right, Ref 9 does list her only as "artist". But if you read what she says about what she did on the show, it's character design (working on final character sketches, clothing, etc.), and then here and here on her personal website, she describes herself as a character designer on the show. I had already used the latter page on her site as a reference elsewhere in the article, so I just added another citation for it here. Does that work?

If she describes herself as a character designer for the show, then this can be used as a source. Z1720 (talk) 16:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

• MOS:UPRIGHT - I just went in (in the visual editor) and changed it from a custom size to one of the default sizes, does that work?
• MOS:ALT - done

Additionally, went back in with IABot and archived the newly-added links. :) Thank you!! KRKwrites (talk) 02:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Comments underneath the concerns above. Additional comments below:

• "Larson currently lives in Turin, Italy with her husband. She works primarily out of her home studio there." Remove currently, and move this to the Personal life section.
• "Her work on the series was praised by Golden and Connell." This sentence should be removed. Commentary about her art style in general can be added to "Artistry" and commentary about the cover's reception can be added to the mini-series's article.
• " In 2023, Larsen returned to do the cover art for the one-shot sequel, Lady Baltimore: The Dream of Ikelos." Move this to the end of the paragraph so the information is chronological.
• " The book sold out its first printing, and " Delete, not necessary.
• "Larson has worked on a variety of other projects," -> Other projects that Larson has worked on include..."
• "During this period, " Delete, or put the exact year.
• "Larson is known for her distinctive Gothic style." Remove distinctive
• "She frequently centers women and femininity in her illustrations.[30] She has repeatedly emphasized the importance of storytelling in her process and finished pieces." -> "She frequently centers women and femininity in her illustrations and emphasized storytelling in her process and finished pieces."

Lede check:

• The lede should be a summary of the article. All information in the lede should be cited in the article. The second paragraph summarises information well, but the first paragraph includes a lot of information that is not in the rest of the article. Examples include:
• "Her illustrations often feature Victorian fashion and fantasy creatures such as vampires." Neither Victorian fashion nor vampires are mentioned in the article body.

• She creates mixed media original artwork" Mixed media is not mentioned in the article body
• " in the dark fantasy genre" Dark fantasy is not mentioned in the article.

Those are my thoughts. We are getting closer. Z1720 (talk) 16:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

I think these points have now all been addressed! To avoid original research (the "vampires" point was just me looking at her gallery and seeing a lot of vampires, LOL) I switched "vampires" to "ghosts" and found a supporting source. Let me know if I missed anything, and thank you again! KRKwrites (talk) 08:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I think all of my problems are resolved. I am going to pass this. Good job. Z1720 (talk) 01:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.