Talk:Aboriginal breastplate

best layout for this page

Im not sure if anyone else is interested in edited this page. Is there a better way to display large lists of breastplate recipients? It would be good to have a more complete list. EJt80 (talk) 01:04, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

It would be more usual to have bullet lists in an article like this, or perhaps a table. Kerry (talk) 23:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Kerry. If I estimate that if I collect every known name of any plate it may be a list of a couple of hundred Breastplates would you still use bullet point or is a table better? is that even appropriate for a Wikipedia article? The information doesn't exist collated together in any one place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EJt80 (talk • contribs) 09:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

A table works well if you have information that naturally falls into columns. In this case that might be their name (e.g. Charley York), their title (e.g. Chief of Bullangamang), place they lived, state, perhaps birth/death dates, notes. Tables work best when you expect to have information for most of the columns for each person and/or when you want to be able to sort different columns for different purposes. Lists are better suited when the information you have on each person will be often very different in terms of type of information, amount of information, mix of simple facts and narratives. Tables (particularly wide ones) aren't so nice for people on mobile devices; lists probably wrap better. I would be tempted to start with a list (one per state) since that's more or less what we already have and convert to a table later if we can see the benefit of doing it once we have most of the entries. I don't see a problem with having 200 entries so long as we have citations. Kerry (talk) 12:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

ok great. Another harder question, these items are rarely refferred to as "King plates" , Aboriginal breastplates is more common. How does one go about changing a topic title? I can provide multiple citations, I know there is rightly a main "breastplates" page but these particular breastplates were only presented to aboriginal people therefore Aboriginal Breastplates would be a more appropriate title for the page.EJt80 (talk) 22:38, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

For the very long answer read Wikipedia: Moving a page. But to summarise it. Basically anyone (apart from extremely new accounts) can change the name; you use the Move command - usually under More on the tool bar (to the right of View History and the watch-star). The more significant question is should the name be changed? Generally for an article that has existed for some time (this one is over 10 years old), it's worthwhile proposing it here (as you more or less just did, but it might be worth doing it in a New section). Wait a week or so and if nobody objects, do it. If there are objections, there is a more formal process to decide if the name should be changed, but often the informal process is sufficient. Note that moving to a new name leaves the old name behind as a redirect (or alias), so if the article was renamed "Aboriginal breastplates", "King plate" would still work to find it so it is not as if it is a complete "either-or" situation. Any article can have many names but only one is the primary name. If you look here, you will see this article already has 2 other names (although these are trivial variations of the existing name). Personally I have no problem calling the article Aboriginal breastplates. Kerry (talk) 08:07, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Name change of page

ok great. Another harder question, these items are rarely refferred to as "King plates" , Aboriginal breastplates is more common. How does one go about changing a topic title? I can provide multiple citations, I know there is rightly a main "breastplates" page but these particular breastplates were only presented to aboriginal people therefore Aboriginal Breastplates would be a more appropriate title for the page.EJt80 (talk) 22:38, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

For the very long answer read Wikipedia: Moving a page. But to summarise it. Basically anyone (apart from extremely new accounts) can change the name; you use the Move command - usually under More on the tool bar (to the right of View History and the watch-star). The more significant question is should the name be changed? Generally for an article that has existed for some time (this one is over 10 years old), it's worthwhile proposing it here (as you more or less just did, but it might be worth doing it in a New section). Wait a week or so and if nobody objects, do it. If there are objections, there is a more formal process to decide if the name should be changed, but often the informal process is sufficient. Note that moving to a new name leaves the old name behind as a redirect (or alias), so if the article was renamed "Aboriginal breastplates", "King plate" would still work to find it so it is not as if it is a complete "either-or" situation. Any article can have many names but only one is the primary name. If you look here, you will see this article already has 2 other names (although these are trivial variations of the existing name). Personally I have no problem calling the article Aboriginal breastplates. Kerry (talk) 08:07, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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Origins

A breastplate was an 18th century mark of rank in European military units, these crescent shape dog tags were adopted by other cultures

title=George Washington wearing a breastplate

and purposes, such as liquor labels

Tradimus (talk) 16:04, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Fake breast plates

I deleted one of the listed examples with text starting "Jimmy, head stockman..." as this is a fake being promoted on eBay with only eBay as the source. It has been reported to ebay also. I suspect there might be other fakes in this list also. I think there needs to be some vetting and checking to ensure Wikipedia is not being used to support such scams.Garyvines (talk) 21:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I've moved this list to a new draft article to help with this process. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)