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Latest comment: 30 days ago9 comments3 people in discussion
First line of this article is questionable. There isn't a law that states that abortion are illegal just based on term, but at the same time, there's also no reason to believe that a very late term abortion in a healthy baby and mother couldn't be charged as something. It's kind of like saying that stealing someone's sandwich is allowed because there aren't laws against stealing sandwiches. Shenalan (talk) 13:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Laws passed in 2023 explicitly protected "reproductive freedom" in the state,and include no viability standard or any limitation on abortion, and other pages discussing abortion use the "is legal until" baseline. Regarding the sandwich comparison you brought up, it is still illegal to steal someones property, so that would definitely be a crime. Just because it doesn't specifically say that stealing a sandwich is illegal, a more general law makes it illegal. LordEnma8 (talk) 19:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Exactly what I’m saying is that there are other laws which could restrict the actions of doctors or patients. Stating that it is legal at all stages implies that a child could legally be aborted a day before its due date which is very likely illegal for other reasons. Shenalan (talk) 02:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
If you could name a law and get a proper source, then I would be open to the idea. However, you haven't giving a proper example besides "oh well it could maybe be restricted". And in the opener, people most likely aren't thinking about things like abuses from the doctor, they are thinking about abortion on the basis of whether it is restricted based on conception time. And you still haven't responded to the consistency argument with other articles LordEnma8 (talk) 16:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Importance:
There are few sources for accurate information pertaining to the abortion laws in Minnesota. There is also a rise in webpages with inaccurate information on this topic. Currently, this page is inaccurate and misleading. 'Abortion is legal at all stages of pregnancy.' is a mischaracterization of the truth. While the statement itself is accurate, it is missing crucial information with respect to restrictions. Abortion of a potentially viable fetus is illegal, for example. A person visiting this entry in its current form seeking information about abortion law in Minnesota would have to look elsewhere. It is therefore recommended that this entry be edited to include current and accurate information about its namesake.
Subd. 3. Viability. It shall be unlawful to perform an abortion when the fetus is potentially viable unless:
(1) the abortion is performed in a hospital;
(2) the attending physician certifies in writing that in the physician's best medical judgment the abortion is necessary to preserve the life or health of the pregnant woman; and
(3) to the extent consistent with sound medical practice the abortion is performed under circumstances which will reasonably assure the live birth and survival of the fetus.
I admit that I didn't see how consistent that wording was across abortion pages, I still feel the wording creates an impression that is far from neutral but if the consensus is that that is how to construct abortion articles so be it. Here is what I will propose: according to state law and Minnesota Medical Association policy, abortions are medical procedures subject to good medical practice. I think that most of the most grisly situations people imagine when someone says "abortion is illegal no matter what" would fall outside "good medical practice" by any doctors definition. I am going to add an explanation of that following the beginning sentence stating that it is limited to good medical practice by state law and MMA policy. Shenalan (talk) 16:12, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just adding that MN State Statute 147.091(k) states that "Conduct that departs from or fails to conform to the minimal standards of acceptable and prevailing medical practice in which case proof of actual injury need not be established." is grounds for civil penalties and revoking medical license. Shenalan (talk) 16:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
While I would perfer some better secondary sourcing, I am fine with how you did it at the moment since it is a relatively small part of the article. LordEnma8 (talk) 17:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
