Talk:Above Znoneofthe

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that a Canadian man legally changed his name to appear as "none of the above" on electoral ballots? Source: Reilly, Katie (January 30, 2016). "Man Legally Changes Name to 'Above Znoneofthe' to Appear Last on Ballot". Time. Retrieved September 29, 2021.
  • ALT0a:... that a Canadian man legally changed his name to run in elections as "Znoneofthe, Above", with a Z to be sorted below other candidates? Source: as above
  • ALT0b ... that Canadian politician Above Znoneofthe chose his name to be placed last on alphabetical ballots?
  • ALT1: ... that Rhinoceros Party politician Above Znoneofthe chose his name to be placed last on alphabetical ballots?

Created by Ivanvector (talk). Self-nominated, as alt account PEIsquirrel (talk), at 13:05, 7 October 2021 (UTC).

• General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough: - Article clocks in at 1,058 prose characters—the minimum requirement would be 1,500

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Both paragraphs appear to be unsourced at the end—each paragraph and direct quote should have a citation at the end of the sentence.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - The article should refer to the subject as Znoneofthe, instead of Bergson—it's what Time calls him

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - The name should be bolded, and I feel like the hook could be a little punchier? I've suggested an ALT2.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @PEIsquirrel: Hi, welcome to DYK! This nomination will need a bit of work before it's ready to be on the front page, but this is good so far! It's very amusing. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• Hi Theleekycauldron, thanks for your review! I am Ivanvector, this is an alt account, and I do have a couple of DYK credits under my main. I wasn't aware there was a minimum length requirement for new articles, I don't think it came up in DYKcheck, but I can flesh it out some. For ALT1, he only ran as a Rhinoceros candidate in the most recent of the elections he's run in. In his first since his name change, he ran as an independent against the leader of the "None of the Above Party", and for several elections after that ran as a candidate for that party, so I'm not sure if we should mention the Rhinoceros Party in the hook. What do you think? Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 16:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

• @PEIsquirrel: Should have realized, sorry about that! We don't have to mention the Rhinoceros Party in the hook, for sure—does ALT0b work for you? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 20:26, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• @PEIsquirrel? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 22:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
• @Ivanvector: courtesy ping – Reidgreg (talk) 15:32, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
• All right, I'll adopt this nom. I've expanded the article—we'll need another reviewer. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 15:33, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

• Taking it from here, this article looks to be long enough, decently cited, and neutral. The original hook, in my opinion, is too confusing. As per Theleekycauldron, there isn't a need to mention the Rhinoceros Party in alt1. I'd prefer either alt0a or alt0b.

Overall, this is a pass. Very interesting guy, but perhaps the tables of results shouldn't make up the majority of the article (as in expand the prose if you can). Heythereimaguy (talk) 23:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• I'd prefer ALT0b, then—thanks for the review! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 00:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

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Page Relevance

Can someone justify the relevance of this wiki bio? I'm considering removing the page.

From what I gathered from reading this, this guy is a joke candidate that has never earned more than one percent of the vote during the election. As a general policy in Canadian elections, we don't create bios for unsuccessful candidates, even when they are part of major political parties. FluffyCanada (talk) 16:17, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

I am not the author of this article but I would not consider the subject a mere "joke candidate." He literally, legally changed his name so that he most likely will always be the last name on the ballot in any election he runs. What's more, the "None of the Above" Party is meant more as a protest of the electoral system (although I personally disagree with the way they try to convey that message). It is, nonetheless, nothing akin to the Rhinoceros Party that really is a joke party, even though this guy has run once under that banner.

I don't disagree that this article could stand for improvement, but I would not want to see it be deleted from Wikipedia. MauriceYMichaud (talk) 16:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Changing your last name does not warrant notability. Neither does being an unsuccessful political candidate for the "None of the Above Party". Becoming a political candidate is not difficult in Canada, you simply need 50 signatures. Further, the Rhinoceros Party and None of the Above Party have uncompetitive nomination processes meaning most people that run for them are acclaimed. Also, as mentioned before even becoming a political candidate does not warrant notability even if you are a part of a major political party.

Protesting the electoral system could be significant if he's done something notable in that field, do you know of any examples?

I think I just can't find the right words and, respectfully, perhaps I'm not as invested as you are in keeping or deleting this article. I guess for me it's the name change that makes this one notable from all the rest of the fringe candidates out there. In short, I would find it regrettable if this article were to disappear, but it wouldn't shatter my life. MauriceYMichaud (talk) 15:42, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Appreciate the input. Personally, I just don't quite see how changing your legal name warrants a wikibio article.

@FluffyCanada: I've removed the PROD, and seeing the discussion here, an AfD would be more appropriate if you want to pursue it, as it is a bit more contentious than expected. I'd err on the side that he is notable, having had profiles of him made by Time and CTV (that satisfying GNG with multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject, and non-trivial coverage). ~~Ebe123~~ → report 17:56, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more! This is not just another ordinary perennial candidate. There's more good than harm to keep this article. MauriceYMichaud (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Agree. Easily satisfies WP:GNG, and WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not sufficient grounds for deletion. We have many other articles on perennial candidates who satisfy GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 18:38, 4 December 2022 (UTC)