Talk:Academy Award for Best International Feature Film

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There's a section in the end that tallys the country score on Nominations. I don't think it's really relevant info, but it's nonetheless interesting. Wouldn't it be equally interesting to display the score on actual wins, instead of only the nominations?--nunocordeiro 06:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

And wouldn't it be preferable to have the original name first and the English name second? (In oposition to the current form with the english name first and original name next.)--nunocordeiro 14:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

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Could someone put the appropriate Chinese, Japanese and Hebrew characters into these titles? -- Zoe

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This page is exceedingly long. Would someone mind if I deleted the production company information? If it's worthwhile, it can be included in any articles that get created about these movies. I'll wait a week to see what the opinion is. RickK 02:32, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

OK, nobody objected, so I did it. If you want to create an article about a movie, add the production and direction info there. RickK 23:43, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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I just saw this change to-day, and I find it a shame to be losing the production information. Not all the films in this category have articles of their own. I long ago did have a concern myself about the length of the article and its numerous links. A better solution will be to divide the article into three parts.

Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film, 1947-1969

Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film, 1970-1989

Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film, 1990 and later

I would consider removing the word "Best" from the titles since it isn't really necessary, and I am open to other combinations of years for the divisions. I understand that many links will need to be repaired. Eclecticology 06:55, 2004 Mar 7 (UTC)

A suggestion - it is hard at first to understand the notation concerning winner vs. non-winner nominees. Perhaps it is a good idea to explain this in the beginning?

Also, it may be interesting to know whether movies eligible to "Best Foreign Language" are also eligible for the other categories. I can't edit this in as I don't know the answer myself...

Yes, foreign language films are eligible for other categories appropriate for the particular film. For example, in 1998, the film "Life Is Beautiful (Le Vita è bella)" won Academy Awards for Best Music, Original Dramatic Score and Best Foreign Language Film, and Benigni won Best Actor for his role. The film was nominated for Academy Awards for Directing, Film Editing, Best Picture, and Best Original Screenplay as well. Wikipedia link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Beautiful . . jg 00:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The infobox notes that the previous name for this award was used “until 2020”. But since it was renamed in 2020, should it not say “until 2019”? Antrikshy (talk) 07:44, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Suggestions

How about statistics about nominations and awards by language? And have any of the foreign language movies ever won more than just this award? ROGNNTUDJUU! 04:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

The next awards

When should we start listing the candidates for the 2007 award ? I note India's was announced recently. -- Beardo 05:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I have started. -- Beardo 22:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

This article is a mess. This is just what I feared Wikipedia would be. This is a premio that goes to the director, not to the production companies. Why they are cluttering the page is hard to understand. This list was certainly added by the production people in an attempt to immortalizar themselves. Eliminating them would be a first step. Then there would have to be a list of records –Federico Fellini won this award four times. That's an interesting fact, I think.

List of candidates

Should we have separate pages for each year's candidates ? -- Beardo 05:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Long list

I see there is a ´long list´ of Best Foreign Film nominations for the Academy Awards nr 65 to 78. Is there any plans to have the long list for awards nr 26 to 64? Any reply is well taken. Thanks --Steinninn 11:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is any 'plan' associated with these pages at all; they're rather piecemeal. So if you want to to do that, go for it! Cop 633 14:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Humm... do you know where this data is? --Steinninn 12:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Nope. Cop 633 13:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

One user has recently added the pages for 65 to 77 - I wonder where he got the data ? -- Beardo 18:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I sent an e-mail to the Academy Awards Library and they sent me a list of all films ACCEPTED by the Academy back to the 1969/1970 (42nd) ceremony. (Lots of famous films have been disqualified by the committee). I'm adding these pages little by little...Should be done by next week. (User: adtran) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adtran (talk • contribs) 05:47, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Change in format

Why the sudden change in year format after 2000? I guess I understand the reasoning behind listing it that way, but it is visually confusing and can be accomplished via piped links . . . -Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 00:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Presentation

Anyone know exactly who keeps this Oscar. Obviously the director is the one who usually gets up and accepts the award, i.e. Roberto Benigni for Life Is Beautiful, but I read an article saying that Dino De Laurentiis has several Oscars for producing the Fellini films that won. So does the director accept it at the ceremony, but the producer gets it once it's engraved or what is the deal as to who actually keeps the oscar statuette?Largo1965 23:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Major Edit

I have been working on a new version of this article on my sandbox for quite some time, and now I am copying it here. I have added better-looking tables and written well-referenced explanatory paragraphs, and I have also created a section about the eligibility of foreign language films in other categories (a lot of people seem to be inquiring about this !). I really checked everything, from the countries' flags to the spelling of the films in their original language, but please do not hesitate to correct any mistake you might find. Hope to hear your comments about this new version of the article ! BomBom 20:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Bold text

That looks awesome! Nice work. Not quite sure about the bright yellow for the winners, I'd prefer something subtler like a darker blue, but that's just a personal taste thing. Cop 663 12:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that positive comment ! I actually chose this bright yellow background because I find it reminiscent of the gold colour of the Oscar statuette. I nominated the article as a featured list candidate, so we'll see what other users think about this. If other people say they find the colour to be visually agressive, I'll change it. BomBom 14:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Cool, like I said, it's just personal taste. A paler or greyer yellow would also suit me. By the way two other things I noticed - the film titles should really be in italics, and it would be nice to have subheadings in the "Rules" section, as it's a formidable block of text at the moment. Cop 663 15:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that you added languages. I checked only one film (Children of the Nature), and it's listed as Icelandic and English. I own the DVD, and I can confirm that there are only a few words spoken in English. I would suggest only listing the main language(s) spoken in the film. --Steinninn 00:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

• Your objection has been addressed at the newly created List of Academy Award winners and nominees for Best Foreign Language Film. BomBom (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

City of God (film)

Shouldn't this article make reference to how this specific awards designs can lead to poor consequences most notably the story of City of God. A film released in 2002, nominated by Brazil as their best picture for 2003, not chosen due to a variety of reasons (most of which being that nobody went to see it), it's fame growing rapidly in 2003 until in 2004 (two years after it was released) it was nominated for four oscars but was not eligible for best foreign film as it had already been nominated once. –– Lid^(Talk) 15:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

My reply may be a little bit late, but I just saw your message. The case of City of God is already mentioned in the List of Academy Award-winning foreign language films. Moreover, I don't think it is fair to criticize the award because of the case of City of God. It is wrong to say that the film was not chosen because nobody went to see it. Unlike other categories where voting is open to all Academy members regardless of whether or not they have seen the films, voting in the Foreign Language Film category is explicitly restricted to Academy members who have watched special screenings of ALL films. Therefore, people who voted in this category have all watched City of God, and if they did not choose it as a nominee, it's simply because they thought that there were five other films that were better. As for the subsequent nominations received by the film, their belatedness is due to the fact that only films released in Los Angeles County can compete for Academy Awards (this applies to all films, regardless of whether they are foreign language or not). People may find this criticizable, but I believe that such criticism should be mentioned in the Academy Awards article rather than here, since the Foreign Language Film Award rules have nothing to do with such a requirement. Even though it was shown at the Cannes Film Festival as early as May 18, 2002, City of God had to wait for the 76th Academy Awards, held on February 29, 2004, in order to be able to compete for Academy Awards in other categories, since it was only released in Los Angeles on January 17, 2003. Unfortunately, it did not win because of the big sweep of The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King that year. Anyway, there are other, far more absurd cases in the history of the Oscars. For instance, Charlie Chaplin's film Limelight (1952) received an Academy Award for Original Music Score twenty years after it was made, simply because it had not been released in Los Angeles until 1972!!! BomBom (talk) 10:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

What country is CIA?

I don't know and there were two Russia's but the first Russia was really the Soviet Union so I changed that. Qwerty786 (talk) 20:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Israel's number of nominations

I updated the number of nominations Israel gathered to 9 based on recent news[1].--Gilisa (talk) 17:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

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Best International Feature Film vs Best Foreign Language Film

Hi. The Academy calls this award the Best International Feature Film to reflect the changes made earlier in the year. The term "Best Foreign Language Film" is incorrect and obsolete, regardless if the 92nd ceremony has happened yet or not. All press coverage for films submitted into this category have the new award title too, hence why the page title should reflect the new name. Thanks.Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:30, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

We don't use the official name for page titles. We use the common name. It's been called Foreign Language Film for 7 decades. The International Film hasn't even appeared in a single ceremony yet. There is no evidence to suggest that the common name has been replaced. Furthermore, after the original move was reverted, the proper thing to do was to request a move, not just move it back again. Since technical limits prevent me from moving it back now, I'm going to start an official move discussion later today. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 14:20, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 29 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: procedural close: reverted to stable title, Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film, at this time under Wikipedia:Requested moves#Undiscussed moves. Additionally, I have added move protection to the page to prevent move warring. Finally, I note that Lugnuts performed a null edit (removing a single space on the redirect page) to prevent the page from being moved back to its original title. Please do not do that. If the page should be moved, please create a full discussion and let consensus show such. Dekimasuよ! 07:03, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

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Academy Award for Best International Feature Film → Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film – The page was moved without consensus. It has been given out as Foreign Language Film for over seven decades before being renamed just this year. The award has yet to even be given out using the new name. There is no evidence to suggest at all that the new name has already replaced the original name as the common name. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 19:57, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. We should care what users are searching and they will be searching for the award they see the press releases, news coverage and the actual show handing out. If the name has changed, then the title should follow. Old titles are still redirects and are noted in the first sentence. --Gonnym (talk) 00:17, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• The new name would still be a redirect for people looking for it under the new name. But there's no evidence that it's the common name yet, and it's also undue to use a name that they just started using rather than the name they've been using for almost three quarters of a century. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 01:34, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Support and speedy revert undiscussed move. Speedy close. -- Netoholic @ 05:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved  — Amakuru (talk) 10:27, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film → Academy Award for Best International Feature Film – This is the new and correct title of this award from the Academy, per their updated rules. It was renamed c. April 2019, with all press coverage for films submitted into the category using the new name, such as Forbes, Variety, BBC, Awards Daily, New York Times, The Hollywood Reporter, Deadline Hollywood, Screendaily, etc.

Note that the page was originally moved in April 2019 to the new name by ViperSnake151 and remained at that title for seven months, before being moved back by JDDJS. Per the Academy itself, the term "Foreign" is outdated and is no longer used. Also, the Academy Award for Best Production Design was previously titled "Best Art Direction" upto 2012, and was moved without any issue, despite "Best Art Direction" being used since the 1920s, more than three decades longer than this category. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:35, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Support Nardog (talk) 09:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - not yet established as WP:COMMONNAME. Let's give it some time. -- Netoholic @ 10:17, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support - We should care what users are searching for and what they will be searching for is the award they see in the press releases, news coverage and the one the actual show is handing out. If the name has changed, then the title should follow. Old titles are still redirects and are noted in the first sentence. Additionally, we should stop treating WP:COMMONNAME like it's some sort of gospel, especially, when more often then not it is being misused. See the section right after WP:COMMONNAME, WP:NAMECHANGES, which clearly states that if the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. Do the reliable sources still call it foreign? If so, please provide sources, as the sources provided in this RM show the opposite. --Gonnym (talk) 10:21, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support Friendly neighbourhood platypus (talk) 10:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support per consistency with other academy awards whose name has changed over the years. Barjimoa (talk) 12:05, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support should be non-controversial move, is there any indication why JDDJS undid it? Kingsif (talk) 17:10, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Plenty. I explained when I first made the revert, again when I commented in the discussion, and a third time when I requested to undo the move. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:09, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose As explained before, the old name has been used nearly three quarters of a century. There is simply no evidence to support that in just a few months after the name change, the new name is suddenly the WP:COMMONNAME. There is also question of the WP:RECENT by using such a new name. Google and Google News results for "Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film" are still significantly higher then the results for "Academy Award for Best International Feature Film". JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:09, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

How do those results look when you narrow the date range to the time period since the name change took place? --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Support since this is the new official and common name for this award category. It is obviously official, and what makes it common is that secondary sources acknowledge and start using the new name. For example, The New York Times writes here, "It is the first year the Oscar formerly will be awarded under a new name: best international feature film. The category was previously known as the best foreign language film." Those who oppose this move are trying to suggest that there is some kind of doubt that could be had, where this is not verifiable at all. All verifiable coverage indicates, without any suggestion of potential reversion, that this is the new name. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:55, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Nobody is doubting that the name change happened. We're doubting if the new name has already surpassed the original name to become the new common name. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 19:04, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

I might take a trip to Eswatini next year. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:17, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Completely irrelevant here. (For the record, I wouldn't have supported a page move there either, but it's not a topic that I care about, or know much about.) JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 20:07, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

JDDJS, I just saw this (new to me): WP:NAMECHANGES. It says, "Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match." That applies very well here, especially with sources like The New York Times using the new name and indicating that it has changed. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:13, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Support – The opposition so far is missing the point. In certain situations, long-term recognition doesn't have to be established in order for the move to take place. This is one of those situations as Gonnym mentioned above. Per WP:NAMECHANGES: "...we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change". The examples given support the change, and a counter argument to that has yet to be shown. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:19, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Mostly just adding my name to the WP:SNOW parade. There's no reason to think any source will refer to this award by its old name any time soon, so there's no real justification to keep it at this title. Nohomersryan (talk) 04:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support official renaming of the award. As long as the redirect from Foreign film is there, and the lede properly notes the name change, there's no issue with this move. --Masem (t) 17:34, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Erik and Masem. It's the award's new name, and the old one will redirect. Not seeing what the issue here is. - DoubleCross (talk) 04:21, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above, and close per WP:SNOW. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 20:43, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support this is being talked about in the media this way and will be announced this way. No reason why this isn't the new common name. Captain Cookie 22:24, 6 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainCookie (talk • contribs)

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