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Audio language template issues

Hey, regarding Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_6#Template:Audio-ar, I've noticed two issues with your suggested replacement.

• {{langx|cs|{{audio|Cs-Ceska Republika.oga|Česká republika}}}} - produces Czech: , while the original {{Audio-cs|Česká republika|Cs-Ceska Republika.oga}} produces {{Audio-cs|Česká republika|Cs-Ceska Republika.oga}}. Notice that the image is in italics in the first style.
• RTL issues. {{langx|ar|{{audio|Ali abdullah saleh pronunciation.oga| علي عبدالله صالح الأحمر}}}} produces Arabic: while the original {{audio-ar| علي عبدالله صالح الأحمر|Ali abdullah saleh pronunciation.oga}} produces {{audio-ar| علي عبدالله صالح الأحمر|Ali abdullah saleh pronunciation.oga}}. Notice the speaker icon on different sides.

Any ideas on what should be done? Gonnym (talk) 09:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

How about

• [[Czech language|Czech]]: {{audio|Cs-Ceska Republika.oga|{{lang|cs|Česká republika}}}} – Czech:
• [[Arabic]]: {{audio|Ali abdullah saleh pronunciation.oga|{{lang|ar|علي عبدالله صالح الأحمر}}}} – Arabic:

Nardog (talk) 03:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Sure, that works. Gonnym (talk) 08:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

User:Nardog/RCMuter

Hello, thanks a lot for this script. Have you considered adding support for IP ranges? 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

No, and seems like it can be pretty complicated (especially for IPv6). If you describe a compelling use case I might, but any code will likely have to be updated once the masking comes, which gives me a pause. Nardog (talk) 10:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about Pepe's portuguese IPA

Hello, thanks a lot for revising the Spanish IPA of Marvin Park. Can you please help me about one IPA issue?

Pepe, Portuguese footballer from Brazil, seems to have different name pronunciation regarding the type of portuguese. In Brazilian Portuguese interview, the pronunciation and IPA goes like [ˈpɛpi] as the article says, but his name pronunciation in European Portuguese interview, the pronunciation and IPA sound to me like [ˈpɛp]. Is the European portuguese IPA of Pepe correct...?? --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Umm... Is there a problem or missing contents inside the question...?? --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 00:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll get to you, thanks for your patience. Nardog (talk) 06:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't mean to disappoint you. Sorry for the inconvenience... --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 07:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Not at all, it's just my procrastination. Nardog (talk) 13:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@YellowTurtle9: I hear a lot of [pɛp] in your first video too, though I don't understand Portuguese. But we don't hear him say his name himself in either video, so I wouldn't count on them in ascertaining what the "correct" pronunciation is. Nardog (talk) 13:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the replies above...😢 Then is it possible to write both Portuguese IPAs inside the article? Though choosing Portugal as his 1st nationality, it seems that he can speak and understand both European and Brazilian Portuguese as he was born in Brazil. --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 04:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

What does he say when he introduces himself? That's the only question that matters. If he uses different pronunciations when speaking to a Portuguese audience and when speaking to Brazilians, then it makes sense to include both. Nardog (talk) 13:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@Nardog So sorry for the late reply. I've searched many interviews from FC Porto official interviews to many other interviews from reliable presses, but couldn't find the exact interview of Pepe himself speaking his nickname.

I've found First, Second, Third Interviews which the interviewer and the interviewee(Jorge Costa) use [ˈpɛp] instead of [ˈpɛpi] to indicate him(probably because they are European Portuguese I think), Marca interview source which the Spanish Interviewer uses [ˈpɛp], and Interview uploaded by FIFA which the comment says that he uses Brazilian Portuguese accent.

Seeing that he uses Brazilian Portuguese accent, maybe [ˈpɛpi] is more proper IPA than [ˈpɛp]. But as he doesn't revise the nickname pronunciation to interviewer when hearing [ˈpɛp], it seems that he both uses [ˈpɛpi] and [ˈpɛp] on his nickname. It's sad that there's no source of nickname pronunciation by himself so far... --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 14:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't give much weight to any of that. People overlook mispronunciations of their names all the time, out of sheer politeness. That said, if the pronunciation varies so much even among people who know him, it might be sensible to indicate both (which can be done by just [ˈpɛp(i)]), unless of course we find a clip of him saying it. Nardog (talk) 15:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I see... Writing IPA in [ˈpɛp(i)] will work well. Thanks a lot for your kind help. Have a nice day!😊 --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 00:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

IPAc-it

Hi, I noticed {{IPAc-it}} is used in only two articles (Paolo Conti) and Fiat Ducato; In my opinion, it would be sensibile to delete it and replace it with a template using DOP (the most autoritative pronunciation dictionary for Italian) symbols displaying them in IPA or in the original system, toggling between them with an optional parameter. What do you think about?-- Carnby (talk) 08:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

If we were to have a template that converts an input to IPA for Italian at all, we should make it like the one on Wiktionary, i.e. converts orthography. What I said here mostly applies. Nardog (talk) 15:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Cromulent

Thanks for helping me learn a new word. Or maybe not new but just forgotten. Whichever, I'll try to remember that one. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

ɮ

Hi. If we're going to copy the compromise glyph proposed in the IPA rather than accommodate the typeface, as we do with other letters, then we should be more exact: in the Principles, it's basically a 'b' with the tail of a script 'g' -- the loop touches the foot of the 'l', then loops around again and comes up directly under the 'l'. Though there's going to be a lot of graphic variation of course. — kwami (talk) 08:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I didn't see your later comment. Never mind. — kwami (talk) 08:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Re: Commons

I replied to your comment on Commons and worked it back into the Zangief article, hoping all is well in that regard now. While I'm here since you have some handling over the IPA templates, would it be viable to have a nihongo template cooked up that allows for IPA to be at the forefront? Ran into a problem where IPA needs to be next to the term itself within the parenthesis, but the nihongo template doesn't support that, resulting in a rather rough brute force as you can see in the Zangief article. Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Your pronunciation doesn't match the link you gave here. AFAIK you can't put anything at the beginning of the parens in {{Nihongo}} (which I don't think should exist), though you may use {{lang-ja}}. Nardog (talk) 00:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Am I pronouncing it wrong? It should be Zan-gi-ef with the i stressed, shouldn't it?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The stress is clearly on the final syllable AFAIC. Nardog (talk) 00:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll try and extract the audio, listen more closely and redo it. I'll admit this is a bit of new territory for me, but like I said on commons we're hoping this'll help readers of the character articles.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The new version has stress on the first syllable, not the third. That said, I could be wrong about the original; it may be said with some strange inflection. Can one hear it pronounced in the game other than "... wins"? Nardog (talk) 02:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

It can be heard here at the 0:40 mark, but has echo. Here's the Street Fighter V version at the 11 minute mark, albeit with the "Wins" bit after. Sadly this is probably the best audio we've got of it, the files weren't fully extracted from either as far as I can tell.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, those do have stress on the first syllable. Nardog (talk) 17:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. Thank you for helping fix those. Like I said I'm still pretty green when it comes to this part. At least with Pokemon there's a full blown pronunciation guide which helps.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:Infobox film/track

Module:Infobox film/track has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 08:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Re The Feeling That the Time for Doing Something Has Passed

In response to your reversion, I'm not sure by what metric you use to judge AI contributions. The number of false positives that so-called "AI detectors" generate is ... prodigious. Most articles I've read on the topic have agreed that we are nowhere near being able to reliably distinguish what's AI-written and what's human-written, aside from some proprietary tools OpenAI supposedly has but is purposefully not releasing.

In my particular case, I am reverting your removal as inaccurate, and I trust you'll not put me in a room and ask me why I left the turtle on its back (Blade Runner joke); on a wider scale, I would respectfully but strongly advocate against doing damage to Wikipedia (even if not meant that way) by reverting people's contributions based on a testing process that, according to most experts in the field, has next to no reliable accuracy yet. MollyRealized (talk) 15:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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Turkish phonology - /ɑ/

Moved to Talk:Turkish phonology

A barnstar for you!

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Stephen Biesty

You reverted changes I made to the article on Stephen Biesty: why? I was at his funeral, and I am Richard Platt, his collaborator on many books. RicardoJuanCarlos (talk) 16:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't break news; it only restates what's been stated in reliable sources. If there is a publication (news outlet, publisher website, etc.) that has reported his death, cite it by all means, but if not, we can't state it since it wouldn't be verifiable. Nardog (talk) 16:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi again. Here is his literary agent's web page … https://www.watsonlittle.com/client/stephen-biesty-estate/

RicardoJuanCarlos (talk) 17:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I've cited it in the article. Nardog (talk) 17:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Nardog/VitalTopicon.js

Would it be possible to fix your script? The categories were changed so that Category:Wikipedia level-2 vital articles, etc. are container categories, but the articles will be in subcategories of them — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Fixed, hopefully. It now gets the JSON data, which wasn't available when I wrote the script. Nardog (talk) 00:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Wonderful, thank you — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Abies pronunciation

Hi Nardog - your latest edit is wrong; it is Abies, like in abstract, abdicate, ability, etc., or even more correctly (as it is Latin), as in the 'av' in Ave Maria, not "aeb"/"ayb" at all. Could you restore, please! - MPF (talk) 21:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

The vowel in abstract, abdicate, ability, etc. is /æ/, which is a diaphoneme, whose realizations (phones) range from [ä] to [a] to [æ] to [ɛə] to [eə], among others. Each language has its own phonological system so if you want to show the Latin pronunciation then you must use the conventions of Help:IPA/Latin, not Help:IPA/English. Nardog (talk) 22:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I looked at Help:IPA/Latin, and the correct one there is aː, second down on the vowels list. How does one add this to the Fir page, please? - MPF (talk) 22:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

wikt:abies suggests {{IPA|la|ˈabieːs}}. Nardog (talk) 22:13, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Was that from the ecclesiastical variant? I'm seeing /ˈa.bi.eːs/, [ˈäbieːs̠] for classical. Can this be copied into the Fir page? - MPF (talk) 00:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Classical. You can't copy /ˈa.bi.eːs/ and link it to Help:IPA/Latin because it's phonemic, and you can't copy [ˈäbieːs̠] because Help:IPA/Latin doesn't use those diacritics. So [ˈabieːs] is the form conforming to the WP key. Nardog (talk) 01:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Can that go in, then, please? - MPF (talk) 01:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Done. Nardog (talk) 10:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

archive tags

Regarding this edit. It used to be standard procedure to tag archives as such at the top and the bottom. It probably isn't needed anymore given that the template is no longer just a simple tag but actually does stop certain actions. Just habit I guess. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 01:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Just Step Sideways: Wouldn't that make the banner appear in the middle of the page when a bot (or user) adds a thread to the archive? {{archive}} says it "adds a banner to the top of archive pages". I suggest you beat that habit. Nardog (talk) 02:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm a dinosaur. It used to just be a simple banner and nothing else, and you could slap it on the top and the bottom when an archive was full. Looks like its current functionality was added as a result of a merge four years ago. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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