Talk:Acraea (butterfly)

Changes to taxonomy and systematics

The sections 1 Systematics and taxonomy and 2: Species must be reviewed to refer to J. Pierre classification (which has been published since more than twenty years) and apply official nomenclature. Who exactly said that Acraea genus is not monophyletic? After reading quite all what have been published on Acraea genus, I never heard such a position, except that Pardopsis punctatissima is not an Acraea (this point is currently discussed).

The current classification is on the net in the site acraea.com.

If new opinions about the official classification are presented, they might gone through official publications.

--Bernaud (talk) 06:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)D. Bernaud — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernaud (talk • contribs) 06:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

This is a WP:COI matter, In any case, the source given is here. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 00:36, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Given that 2008 is more recent than a 20 year old work (apart from taking into account the work of Pierre (1987) ), I have reverted to an earlier version. It would be useful if the exact claim being made be explained instead of replacing the existing contents with the older treatment. Shyamal (talk) 02:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

J. Pierre and D. Bernaud are the actual two specialists of Acraea family and they have published most important papers on its classification. So if one wants to speak about Acraea classification, their is quite no other sources. It is trivial to say WP/COI. It is absolutly dishonest not to quote these references. The paper quoted in this article is an old article made with few DNA sequences and oriented on South American species. Today, J. Pierre and D. Bernaud are working with BOLD for DNA sequencies and they have already obtained DNA sequences of quite all african species. This work is currently under publication and has been used for the last important revision published in GOECKE and EVERS publication (Bernaud & Pierre, 2009. - Butterflies of the world, part 31: Acraea subgenus Actinote, 2009, in Goecke & Evers publication and Butterflies of the world, part 39: Acraea subgenus Acraea,2013, in Goecke & Evers publication) .
So our work demonstrates that Acraeinae subfamily is monophyletic.
All the species are classified in phyletic groups (which are not real genus) and this classification is presented in the French version of Wikipedia. The current english article present many wrong names and species and miss others.
So the actual author of this Wikipedia section is encouraged to have a honest discussion about the Acraea classification and to give our references.
I list here only J. Pierre sources on Acraea classification which have not been done with D. Bernaud:
- Pierre, 1985. - Systématique évolutive et spéciation chez les lépidoptères du genre Acraea (Nymphalidae). Espèces vicariantes, sous-espèces et modalités d'isolement géogrraphique. Ann. Soc. Ent. Fr. (N.S.) 21 (2): 141-156
- Pierre, 1987. - Systématique cladistique chez les Acraea (Lepidoptera Nymphalidae). Ann. Soc. Ent. Fr. (N.S.): 11-27
- Pierre, 1987. - Les Acraea du groupe "Acrita": révision, espèces nouvelles, phylogénie (Lépidoptera, Nymphalidae). Nouv. Rev. Ent. (N. S.) 4, 1: 15
- Pierre, 1988. - Les Acraea du super-groupe "egina": révision et phylogénie (Lepidoptera: Nymphalidae). Ann. Soc. Ent. Fr. 24, 3: 263-287
- Pierre, 1992. - Systématique évolutive et cladistique: approche morphologique, spéciation et génation, application chez les Acraea (Lepidoptera, Nymphalidae). Bull. Soc. Ent. Fr. 97 (2): 105-118
Bernaud (talk) 20:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)