Talk:Ada Ballin

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Valereee (talk) 23:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

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Ada Ballin in 1896

• ... that health writer Ada Ballin (pictured) died after falling from a first-floor window and becoming impaled on railings below? Source: [1][2][3]
• ALT1 ... that dress reformer Ada Ballin (pictured) warned of the dangers of poisonous dyes and tight lacing in women's clothing? Source: Chapman, "Her principal targets were tight lacing and the danger of poisonous dyes".

• Reviewed: For the Night

5x expanded by Kyuko (talk). Self-nominated at 04:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC).

• General eligibility:

• New enough: - Not expanded 5x – Prosesize gives me 5398 B for the current version vs. 1497 B for the version from 12 November 2020.
• Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: As far as I can tell this article wasn't expanded enough to be eligible for DYK. Please let me know if I'm missing something. (Another minor point: The hook mentions that it was a first-floor window, but the article doesn't mention this. Should probably be added to the article.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

• I agree that this is still a little short. I have added additional information; see if it is long enough now. I have also suggested another hook. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 18:43, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say it's still not a 5x expansion – current length is 6381 B. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

My apologies, I did a 4x in my head instead of 5x. You have now inspired me to install Prosesize, which reports this at 8895. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mx. Granger: This article seems to be sufficiently expanded now, so could you give it a tick? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:52, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Looks good – thanks for expanding it! —Granger (talk · contribs) 10:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

• I came here to promote this, but when checking the ALT1 hook, discovered that there's a copyvio issue: Her principal targets were the danger of poisonous dyes and tight lacing is identical to the phrase given above from the Chapman article ('her principal targets were tight lacing and the danger of poisonous dyes') except for swapping the order of the targets. Worse, Chapman is quoting another source (hence the single quotes around the text and the footnote), so it's failing to acknowledge that it's quoted material. I'm going to request that Nikkimaria check to see whether there are any other issues with copyvio or close paraphrasing. The hook also partakes of the quoted phrase, and will need to be paraphrased in order to pass muster. (Ideally, the source Chapman used is the one that should be used here rather than Chapman, but it may not be possible to obtain even with the noted footnote.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

• There do appear to be other instances of material that is too close to the sources - for example "consumer and aesthetic expertise and challenged the medicalization" vs "consumer and aesthetic expertise that challenge the authority of medical men". Nikkimaria (talk) 13:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks for pointing these out—I've gone ahead and fixed the above. I'll give the article another look to see if I notice any other potential copyvio / close paraphrasing issues. –Kyuko (talk) 14:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ada Ballin/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 00:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Starts GA Review; the review will follow the same sections of the Article. --Whiteguru (talk) 00:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

 

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Observations

• Reference 20 has a defective link. Change .htm to html
• Reference 23 is a dead link. Archived version found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20190802230343/http://www.ncgsjournal.com/issue41/antonio.htm
• omnium gatherum might be in italics. It is so in the original reference. See MOS:FOREIGNITALIC
• Reference 42 is absolutely brilliant. Suppression of women vis-a-vis medical information.
• My sense is that the category: Category:Deaths by defenestration is inappropriate. The lady fell and was impaled on fencing; she was not thrown out the window.
• I just wonder about this lady, and her laying foundations for modern feminism, and for women to take control of their dress, their bodies, their babies and their health, like this. She was most certainly a torch bearer for women and common sense in her time. Consider. --Whiteguru (talk) 06:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

 

 Passed