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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:42, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- ... that Adam Exner, the Archbishop of Vancouver from 1991 to 2004, called the first diocesan synod there that allowed for the laity to participate? Source: Vancouver Sun
- ALT1: ... that Adam Exner, the Archbishop of Vancouver from 1991 to 2004, learned how to play the accordion as a child without the help of a teacher? Source: "Vocation Story" (Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate) (primary source); Vancouver Sun (secondary source)
- ALT2: ... that Adam Exner, the Archbishop of Vancouver from 1991 to 2004, played polkas and waltzes on the accordion well after he became a bishop? Source: Vancouver Sun
- Reviewed: First review of Émilie de Rodat
- Comment: Eligible per Rule 1d, because it is only appeared in the "Recent Deaths" section of ITN and not as a bold link.
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One minor question about ref 43 and some copy tweaks. Very well written. Ping me when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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Copy changes
edit- He resumed his studies that September, first at St. Joseph's College in Yorkton, before transferring to St. Thomas College in Battleford one year later. Remove the comma after "Yorkton"
- Removed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- He subsequently taught at the Oblate seminary of St. Charles Scholasticate in Battleford as professor of moral theology from 1960 to 1972, and served as its rector for six of those years. Remove comma (WP:CINS)
- Fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- He remarked that this change was "not easy", but that he Remove the second "that"
- Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- His predecessor, Cardinal George Flahiff, perceived Exner to be "well experienced" and a "man of good judgment", and predicted a promising future for the archdiocese with him in charge. Remove comma after "judgment"
- Changed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- He found that he was sometimes "labelled as too conservative, and sometimes as too liberal", and that his goal was simply to "combat the idea that Catholics can pick and choose which dogma to accept" Remove comma after quote 1
- Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- However, Exner's observation that O'Connor had "already suffered enough, to the point where his health has suffered and deteriorated", Remove ending comma
- Removed. I had put this comma in so that the ref would be situated after punctuation instead of a word (not sure if this is considered good practice). —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Exner served as the principal consecrator at the episcopal ordination of David Monroe on March 12, 2002, exactly 28 years to the date of Exner's own consecration as bishop. Might help to explain where Monroe was serving here?
- Monroe was being ordained the new Bishop of Kamloops (having been Vancouver's vicar general immediately before). I'm unsure where I should place that info without breaking up/cluttering the sentence and my thinking is that readers could just click the wikilink to find out more if they wanted. Should I include it in brackets after his name? —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- On second thought, it'd be a lot, and there is a link there. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- estimated to be C$38–43 million missing "worth"
- Added. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Exner is noted as a staunch opponent Is this now worth a "was" as he is deceased?
- You're right. My bad – other than dates, I haven't really updated his article since his passing. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- This was done with the backing and direction from Exner Maybe This was done at Exner's direction and with his backing. ?
- Good idea of putting the subject first. Fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- The BCCT had rejected TWU's application for certification, because the university required its students to sign a community covenant pledging to abstain from all sexual intimacy outside of heterosexual marriage. Remove comma
- Done. Again, I inserted this comma so that the ref would be placed after punctuation instead of a word —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Sourcing and spot checks
editPlease consider clipping your Newspapers.com citations. Having archive links to /newspage/ URLs doesn't work well. I did make all the live links clips; the vast majority were not, and only one multipage article had both parts clipped.
- 4: A source only cited in the infobox, a personal testimony by Exner. It does have the correct consecration date. Not sure what all it is used for, but it seems reasonable here, and secondary sources back up that claim.
- 10: Article mentions that Exner still occasionally plays polkas and waltzes.
- 25: Mentions the consecration of St. Mary's on September 25, 1887. Co-cited ref 24 notes,
Extensive repairs and renovations were made to the cathedral in 1987-88. A combined celebration of its rededication and its centenary (delayed from September 1987) took place in January 1988.
- 34: Official synod announcement.
- 35: Mentions reasoning for Exner being the only Canadian invitee to synod.
- 43: Naming of new archbishop of Vancouver. The source does not specifically say the Pope accepted his resignation; is this normal?
- Yes, this is normal. If a bishop is appointed to another diocese, he doesn't resign from his existing diocese. In fact, the date that his appointment is announced by the Vatican is regarded as the day he begins his tenure as bishop of his new diocese (with installation being more of an administrative formality). —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, just making sure. I may have been raised Catholic, but this is a question someone might reasonably ask. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- 62: News article on 1999 execution of Faulder.
- 78: Quote in a news article about the 2019 edition of the Exner award. Correctly reproduced.
Earwig flags quotes and work titles; no concerns.
Images
editThere are three images in the article: Exner's coat of arms and images of St. Mary's Cathedral and Vancouver College. All three are freely licensed. Alt text is provided. Consider: Adding a fair use image of the deceased subject if no freely usable image exists.
- @Sammi Brie: thanks very much for the review! I hope I've addressed your comments satisfactorily. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Origin of Bishop Exner
editI have a problem with understanding the text in the first chapter:
- " His father was originally from Molodiia, while his mother came from Derelui. Both families lived on a homestead in Mariahilf and emigrated at the turn of the 20th century."
I read it in this way that they had once lived in a Bukovina homestead named Mariahilf and then emigrated to Canada. But there are several places with name Mariahilf in Europe. Your link goes to Mariahilf, an inner quarter of the town of Vienna. I doubt this being correct.
There is a Mariahilf in Bukovina, indeed, without en:WP-article, today part of the town of Kolomyia in Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast of Ukraine. The grandparents were from Molodiia and Derelui (today part of Voloka), in Chernivtsi Oblast, both near to the region's capital Chernivtsi. (One should mention in the article that this region is today part of Ukraine.) The distance between there and Kolomyia is only about 80 km, so perhaps the grandparents had moved there.
But reading reference no.7, I get the impression that Mariahilf is a place in Canada:
- "His parents, Joseph Exner of Molodia and Frances née Gelowitz of Derelui immigrated to Canada as children [...], homesteading with their families in Mariahilf, a community inhabited mainly by Bukovinians. [...] In Saskatchewan the first Molodia immigrants had founded the village of Mariahilf, where most of their compatriots settled."
But where in Saskatchewan? It is also possible, of course, that they emigrated from Mariahilf (Ukraine, then Austrian Empire) to Mariahilf (Canada). The reader of this article has to guess which of these three scenarios is the historically correct one. It would be useful to find a clearer wording for the origin.
It may be of interest to European readers to what extend his European roots had any importance for him. I read in reference source no.9, sub-chapter "First Holy Communion" the episode:
- "[...] was prepared for first confession and first Holy Communion at our local country school by a seminarian from Germany. He spoke no English, but that was no problem because we didn't know much English either; instruction in German was just fine." So it seems that he could speak and understand German rather well.
In this new Good Article we have a photo of Winnipeg cathedral, why not of Vancouver cathedral, too? Unfortunately there is no photo of Exner. But perhaps one could add a remark to footnote no.1, that it includes a fine photo of Bishop Exner. Dioskorides (talk) 22:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing out that discrepancy. There is indeed a Mariahilf in Saskatchewan, located near Exner's birthplace of Killaly. I've consequently clarified this in the article. Re. having a photo of Winnipeg cathedral but not Vancouver's is because Exner oversaw extensive renovations to the former but not the latter. I see little value in including a photo of Vancouver cathedral simply on the basis that it was where his chair was located – otherwise there'd be a strong argument in favour of including one of Kamloops cathedral (despite neither Vancouver nor Kamloops having as much relevancy to the article text as Winnipeg's). Also, it's not recommended practice on WP to put remarks in references as to photos (regardless of its quality). —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)