Talk:Agadzagadza

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Agadzagadza

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• ... that Agadzagadza the trickster lizard is blamed as the cause of death in Bura mythology?
  • ALT1:... that Agadzagadza is a mythological trickster from Uganda who is responsible for bringing death to humankind?
    • ALT2:... that Agadzagadza is a mythological trickster from Nigeria who is responsible for bringing death to humankind?
      • ALT3:... that Agadzagadza the trickster lizard is blamed as the cause of death in Nigerian mythology?

• Reviewed: I think I'm exempt from review, but please let me know if this isn't the case!

Created by You've got Koalatee (talk). Nominated by Gardneca (talk) at 06:34, 10 May 2019 (UTC).

Review

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ALT1 fails as the article doesn't seem to mention Uganda. An issue with the primary hook is the reference to the "Bura". This isn't linked in the hook or article. Possible links include Bura people (which redirects to Kilba people) or Bura language (aka Bura/Pabir). I reckon we need to clarify this and the exact source which is supporting it.

This is my fault, I meant Nigeria not Uganda! Whoops. Linking to Bura people should work. Gardneca (talk) 17:29, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: It's not clear to me whether the word Agadzagadza is the Bura/Pabir name for a lizard or whether it's the proper name of this particular trickster. I suppose it's a bit of both like Coyote.

I think you're right Gardneca (talk) 17:36, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Pinging Gardneca and Andrew Davidson since this has stalled for a while. Not sure if you both want to continue on with this or close it out since it's been so long. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:50, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

• Shalor (Wiki Ed) Andrew Davidson I'd like to continue with this but since I'm new to the process I'm not sure what the next step should be. I responded to the issues and made changes, so please advise as to how to proceed. Thanks! Gardneca (talk) 07:49, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

• I'll take another look. More anon. Andrew D. (talk) 09:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

• Gonna assume this has been put on hold, so I hope you don't mind me taking over. QPQ not required, no copyvio issues, nominated in time. Strike ALT1, as it's not Ugandan, and suggest a link to Bura people. Much prefer ALT2. Not sure "Cause of death" is quite right. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

• Pulled from prep per discussion at WT:DYK#Prep 5: Trickster; article has four "citation needed" tags and these need to be supplied before the article can proceed. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  • If this isn't resolved in a week, this can be closed as failed. SL93 (talk) 09:33, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Note: I pinged nominator Gardneca on their talk page on 15 August, giving them seven days to take action. If we haven't heard back by tomorrow, I plan to put the "no" icon on this page then, though we can certainly wait until 28 August, as SL93 suggests, before actually closing the nomination as "rejected". BlueMoonset (talk) 12:58, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• That's fine too. I didn't notice it. SL93 (talk) 16:02, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Apologies for the delay SL93 and BlueMoonset, the "citation needed" areas have been addressed. Gardneca (talk) 21:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• Reviewer needed to proceed with review now that citations have been added. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:38, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I have added urls to more of the references, and added more inline citations to those references. I have also added a link to Bura language, as several of the sources do refer to "Bura-Pabir". I could not see in any of the online sources that the lizard in the tale was identified as a male agama lizard, and the one source that does identify Agadzagadza as a male agama lizard is a draft dictionary which makes no mention of the story about the lizard. So that could be an issue of WP:SYNTH, unless any of the offline sources make the connection explicit. I guess we WP:AGF on that, and anyway, it's not part of any of the hooks, and not essential to the article.

I don't know if I should do a closing review, as I have added more inline citations, but it does seem to me that the remaining outstanding issue has been addressed. I also prefer ALT2. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:42, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't see a rule saying editors shouldn't approve DYK noms when they have added citations to the article, so I am going to be bold and approve this. I am striking all but ALT2. The first source contains all the points in that hook. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:40, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Ed

The author does a very good job at keeping a neutral tone throughout the article with their use of neutral language. The article contains neither overly positive or negative information about Agadzagadza; the author does a good job at reflecting the role Agadzagadza plays in African myth. The lead is very straightforward, states exactly what the article is going to focus on, and reflects the cultural importance of Agadzagadza in the origin of death for the Bura people. The sections are well organized and make sense when scrolling down through the page. I liked that the author included different perspectives of the same myth so that the reader gets the full story and can form their own opinions and perspectives about Agadzagadza. The author does not impose their opinions or perspectives on the reader. By reading the article I cannot guess the perspective of the author because there is neutral language and tone being used throughout and no biased opinions that stick out to the reader. The article has reliable sources, all published books, that are referenced throughout the article; the statements are drawn fairly equally from four sources in relation to the length of the section/subtopic being addressed. Some things that the author can change to improve the article is to clean up the references/bibliography section, add a title to the page before the lead section, and format the headings in the proper way so that a table of contents is generated for the article. Besides this, the article is very strong and presents the information about the importance of Agadzagadza in African mythology very well. Nikkimats (talk) 12:46, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Nikkimats thank you for your review. You've got Koalatee I agree that your next steps going forward are tightening up the formatting, adding sections, and general organization. You've done a really impressive amount with very little material, and I think the lack of suggestions for improvement in your peer review is evidence of your article's strength. Of course, keep looking for more sources and please let me know if/when you follow up with the Wikipedia expert about the controversy over the old page. I have no idea what they will advise you to do, but hopefully it is a go! Have you been able to find anything about the Bura people at all? Also, did you see that Agadzagadza is mentioned on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_George_Frazer ? Maybe a good place to link to and to find additional sources. Keep up the excellent work! Gardneca (talk) 08:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for kind feedback and the suggestion. I did see the frazer page, in regards to the origin of death from different African stories. I am trying to find a good way to incorporate it in the last section to beef up the length. I will try your suggestion on contacting them and keep you posted. :) You've got Koalatee (talk) 03:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 January 2019 and 15 May 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): You've got Koalatee. Peer reviewers: Nikkimats.

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