Talk:Aharon Rokeach

Hertzberg Quote

I'm curious what's objectionable about the Hertzberg quote here. ShalomShlomo 07:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Firstly, I'd like to compliment you on all the work you did assembling the new pages for the Rebbes of Belz, and for writing such a comprehensive biography for Yissachar Dov Rokeach (II). I originally thought about putting my objection to the Hertzberg quote on this Talk page before deleting it, but I didn't know whom I was dealing with. Basically, I felt that the subheading ("Aharon's Attitude Towards Holocaust Victims") and its short contents was a one-horse subject. If you were going to highlight the Rebbe's attitude toward Holocaust survivors, it would be more appropriate and encyclopedic to start with a statement of fact and then back it up with examples, rather than just use Hertzberg's impressions as the statement of fact. Is this really an issue? Are there other examples of how the Rebbe shied away from talking about his own or other's personal experience in the Holocaust? I also wonder why this particular subject was given its own subheading. Shouldn't it be just a paragraph at the end of the Rebbe's Holocaust experience--again, stating the fact and then backing it up with examples? All the best, Yoninah 15:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Yoninah- I will be building up this page more substantially later in the week (or next week) with material from the general Belz page (since most of the stuff there from the Holocaust period is in fact Aharon, not Belz, specific), and I'll try and structure it better. I agree with your point that the Holocaust reference was a one-shot thing. I'll attempt to better incorporate it, and do some more hunting for information to substantiate it. The Hertzberg quote might have value as one of several (truncated) examples. Thanks for your kind words regarding Y.D.II. Regards, ShalomShlomo 19:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

ShalomShlomo: I noticed the way you reintroduced the quote from Arthur Hertzberg, and think it looks a lot better now!

Now I would like your opinion on how to present Rebbe Aharon's biography as a whole. Firstly, the whole story about how he escaped from the Nazis is written at length in the Belz article. Perhaps we should lift the bulk of detail from there and put it in Rebbe Aharon's article, and only leave a few salient points in the Belz article? Secondly, Rebbe Aharon accomplished much more in his life than escaping from the Nazis and honoring the memory of Holocaust victims. In particular, his leadership of the Hasidut both in Poland and Israel should be fleshed out. I'll try to add what I learned from my sources; I look forward to your additions, as well. Yoninah 19:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yoninah- thanks very much for the kind words. I agree that the specific stories regarding Aharon's escape and Holocaust experiences would be better served on his individual page, perhaps leaving only one or two of the more interesting bits on the Belz page (and even then, greatly cut down), as Aharon's personal experiences, while relevant to his own biography, are not terribly informative to someone trying to get a sense of Belz today (or, really, in view of Belz's larger historical scope). Similarly, I also agree that Aharon's life should be fleshed out more. I will also try to cull some of my own sources; I'm particularly intruiged in finding some more examples of Belz's ideological (and practical) evolutions during Aharon's lifetime- it would be particularly useful, I think, if we could find some substantive examples of Belz's pre-war behavior and ideology in relation to various issues, such as Zionism, non-Orthodox Jews, etc., and then compare this with Belz under Aharon, and perhaps, today as well (with any spill-over making its way onto the main Belz page and/or Y.D.II). Jewish & Israeli politics are one of my big interests, so I'll try to find some interesting tidbits of Belz's political tendencies in Israel under Aharon and see how they may have changed or developped. ShalomShlomo 21:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

He never spoke because he abandoned his people in Hungary and saved himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.51.22.212 (talk) 15:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

please check image

i think it is from reb yshiele his father?--yidi 14:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)