Talk:Aiming stone

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 23:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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Aiming Stone of Mahmud II in Beşiktaş

• ... that the Keçecipiri aiming stone in Istanbul (pictured) marks the spot where Sultan Mahmud II hit an ostrich egg 738 metres (2,421 ft) away? Source: [1] ... The main marking stone of Sultan Mahmud II’s shooting (menzil taşı): The old state of the stone found on Ufuk Street in Okmeydanı, Keçecipiri district ...thus producing a range of 1,215.5 gez (738.31 m). ... ostrich eggs [were used] from a distance of 1,155 gez (702 m)
  • ALT1: ... that the Beşiktaş aiming stone in Istanbul (pictured) marks the spot where in 1810 Sultan Mahmud II hit an ostrich egg 735.9 metres (2,414 ft) away?Source: [2] p. 74... In 1810, during a competition Mahmud II put an ostrich egg as a target and shot the egg with a gun from 1115 steps away. As a commemoration of this event, they put the Obelisk ...and fifteen-couplet epigraph was written by Enderuni Vasıf.
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Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Aiming stone; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Article is new enough and long enough. Going to AGF on Turkish sources. On #1 The last sentence in the "The nişan taşı in archery" section is unsourced, though. Googling some random sentences didn't find any evidence of copyvio or plagiarism, but that doesn't mean much as some sources are in a different language. I worry that The number of nişantaşı had previously been 300 in Okmeydanı; of these, merely 40 nişantaşıs have survived until today. and as far as possible in #1 are being paraphrased a bit too closely. It's also not definitive that they were founded in the 15th century or that there is a commission about the lodges. I think that the files ought to have a {{FoP-Turkey}} added to them on Commons, or one about the stones being too old to be copyrightable. The article doesn't say that Mahmud hit an ostrich egg. It seems like you need two QPQ here. It is worth mentioning that is unnecessary verbiage; check in the article if there is more like it that can be removed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:43, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Hallo @Jo-Jo Eumerus:, and thanks for reviewing. I think that I addressed most of your concerns, I put more info, and found some more sources. About the hooks, you are right: I just deduced that the target was an ostrich egg from the minimum distances adopted for each kind of target. Anyway, I wrote another hook, using another aiming stone which is better sourced and another picture. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 18:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
    • It seems like the commission and 15th century things are still a problem. New gez source seems OK, although I wonder about the authors' credentials. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

You are right, the lodge commission was actually the lodge administration, and I used the wrong source, s.o.m. :-(. About the early 15th century, I put the word "arguably". Alex2006 (talk) 18:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

but you may need another QPQ. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• As Alex2006 has well over 50 prior DYK nominations, a second QPQ is required since we are currently in backlog mode and were at the time the nomination was made. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
  • QPQs done, @BlueMoonset: Alex2006 (talk) 15:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Restoring previous tick by Jo-Jo Eumerus now that the second required QPQ has been provided. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)