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Kambakth Ishq
I have redirected Kambakth Ishq to this page rather than Eight By Ten, as the two aren't the same film. Seeing as it's an Akshay Kumar film, it's best off here --Maurice45 (talk) 19:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC). the height of akshay kumar is 6ft 1.5inch who is equal to kareena kappor in kambakth ishq.
PLEASE READ THIS
GUYS THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT INFO ABOUT AKSHAY KUMAR WHO HOSTED FEAR FACTOR HERE IS THE LINK WWW.TELLYCHAKKAR.COM A R A. (UTC). 25 october 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.145.116 (talk)
Akshay IS A PRODUCE OF SINGH IS KINNG AND THE HOST OF FEAR FACTOR
GUYS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE PLEASE FIND THE SOUCE I HAVE READ THAT AKSHAY HAS HOSTED FEAR FACTOR AND BECAME THE HIGHEST PAID HOST AND HE IS ALSO THE PRODUCER OF SING IS KINNG PLEASE FIND THE SOURCE AS FAST AS POSIBLE. A R Ansari OCTPBER 7 2008. (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.140.123 (talk)
Bhoga001 (talk) 10:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC) == I dont know, i've been trying to edit something and it does'nt get updated. Akshay has acted nearly 120 films. This was told by himself in an interview to Glamsham in 2007. And is'nt he a prominent actor? So why is this not getting updated??
- Calling someone prominent before even mentioning his profession is POV. Glamsham is not a reliable source, according to IMDb, his filmography is yet to reach the 90th film. Shahid • Talk2me 10:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Bhoga001 (talk) 20:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC) Now what wrong is it in saying 'Kumar slowly began to work his way up to evolve into one of the most talented stars in the industry' ?
small correction about vishnu vardhan
Vishnu Vardhan is virtually unknown outside of Karnataka. So calling him a 'south' superstar is definitely wrong. can someone please change this?
Edit request from Irfaankhanabadosh, 23 October 2010
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- The page is unprotected. You may make the edits yourself. Hope this helps. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 243° 14' 0" NET 16:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
He is NOT a producer
If he is, then cite sources - according to IMDb, he will only produce a film in 2011, and it still did not enter principal photopgraphy, so it does not deserve a mention. He has never been officially credited as the produccer of a single film - his production company ccan be mentioned with sources, but his primary work is acting. Period.
As for the "one of the most prominent" thing - this is just another act of glorification. The source the anon cited are actually those which were here long before and which were removed by Active Banana. One source is unreliable, and the other is from 2006. It's OK to mention his popularity but no need to go OTT. Shahid • Talk2me 08:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from 110.227.125.134, 29 January 2011
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Please make the following changes:
1>Akshay Kumar is also known as KHILADI of bollywood.
2>He is also a PRODUCER(HIS PRODUCTION COMPANY-HARI OM ENTERTAINMENT) and a TELEVISION(KHATRON KE KHILADI) representer.
110.227.125.134 (talk) 17:28, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:57, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Tiu The Tiger
Directed By : Tiu Produced By: Modey Story : Lubu Special Effect & Camera: Mutto Sound & Music : Husanko
Cast: Inattey Arufau Bamboo bidibe Sheny Minty Lubu Tiu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiurec (talk • contribs) 15:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Akshay's Television Apperances
Please update Akshay's Kumar Television Appearances such as (which I could remember)
- Khatron Ke Khiladi (Season 1) - Host
- MTV Roadies (Season 6) - Special Appearnace
- MTV Stunt Mania (Season 2) - Special Appearnace
- Khatron Ke Khiladi (Season 2) - Host
- Amul Master Chef (Season 1) - Host
- Khatron Ke Khiladi (Season 4) - Host — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maneesh2312 (talk • contribs) 10:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
- Done. Did it myself. Didn't realize the page was not protected.Maneesh2312 (talk) 06:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- What made the user "Shshshsh" delete Akshay's guest appearances in two MTV reality based shows. Whats is exactly your problem Mr. Shahid? If you claim that for these two shows I didn't cite sources, then in that case can you cite your source of references for Sharukh's appearances in the show Friday Night with Jonathan Ross, Nach Baliye, Jjhoon India and his every other television appearances. Reverting back the changes for now.-Maneesh 09:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- We do not list guest appearances here. Actors and stars appear as guests in numerous shows, it's not notable here. Shahid • Talk2me 12:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- Try to fully answer the question raised. Do not leave it half unanswered with silly and nonsense responses. Why can Sharukh Khan have his list of guest appearances and not Akshay Kumar? Just because you like him, it doesn't mean you can vandalizing other actors. I know you have contributed good enough to Wiki but do not try to monopolize every article here. This is not your world and I am not here to read what You want to tell. Lets take it to admin if you disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maneesh2312 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- I did not know it was on Khan's page. I've removed it. Apart from that, kindly stop this tiresome mention of other articles and these accusations of unfairness. I suggest you to read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. It will help. As for your inappropriate language, you have been warned on your talk page. Shahid • Talk2me 12:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- I do not think I have used any foul or abusive language here and that was not kind enough of you for the warning. Apart from that I am not enjoying doing an edit war here but I know and I believe I am only being fair and neutral in my views and have not tried to vandalize anybody here. As far as posts are concerned, I can still see two entries as Special Appearance and Guest there. Would be great if you can remove those two as well.Maneesh 13:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maneesh2312 (talk • contribs)
- I did not know it was on Khan's page. I've removed it. Apart from that, kindly stop this tiresome mention of other articles and these accusations of unfairness. I suggest you to read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. It will help. As for your inappropriate language, you have been warned on your talk page. Shahid • Talk2me 12:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- Try to fully answer the question raised. Do not leave it half unanswered with silly and nonsense responses. Why can Sharukh Khan have his list of guest appearances and not Akshay Kumar? Just because you like him, it doesn't mean you can vandalizing other actors. I know you have contributed good enough to Wiki but do not try to monopolize every article here. This is not your world and I am not here to read what You want to tell. Lets take it to admin if you disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maneesh2312 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
- Done. Did it myself. Didn't realize the page was not protected.Maneesh2312 (talk) 06:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Collaboration with Snoop Doggy Dogg
Shouldn't Kumar's collaboration with Snoop Doggy Dogg (on the music video for Singh Is King) also be mentioned? 31.16.117.157 (talk) 15:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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Akshay's fan club made by fans
https://www.facebook.com/akthekhiladis
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- Please make a request in "change x to y" format. Not like this. – Soham (talk) 10:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Akshay Kumar born
Akshay Kumar is born in Chandni Chowk Delhi --Rajvir Singh RandhawatalkIlovethewikis — Preceding undated comment added 09:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- he was born in Amritsar. --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 02:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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Plaese add below line at the end of fourth paragraph. It is about an earning fact of Akshay Kumar, which shows his rank in the top richest celebrity in India. According to Forbes Celebrity Rich List 2013 Akshay kumar is one of the highest earning Indian Celebrity.URL for reference is "http://top10wala.in/top-10-richest-celebrity-in-india/" Shekhar1289 (talk) 06:48, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- Not done: - http://top10wala.in - doesn't appear to be a reliable source. How did you know that, according to Forbes Celebrity Rich List 2013, Akshay kumar is one of the highest earning Indian Celebrity? The source does not mention the same. May you please provide us a direct link to that Forbes article instead or just enough information about to find it in online archives or public libraries? Anupmehra -Let's talk! 17:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- This is just your standard Bollywood WP:REFSPAM. MER-C 06:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
New Article Request
Hello. According to this article, Akshay Kumar will be starring in a new film. Can someone adjust this page to show the new movie as well as create a page for the movie? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Airlift-Akshay-Kumars-next-a-thriller-of-the-biggest-human-evacuation/articleshow/40364005.cms thank you. 216.15.26.55 (talk) 06:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
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Akshay Kumar's height according to google is 5 ft 11 in. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=akshay+kumar 117.208.88.186 (talk) 08:34, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Not done Google abstracts are not considered a reliable source - they include a lot of Wikipedia information, which is certainly not reliable. - Arjayay (talk) 08:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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I just want to add "Bollywood Debut" in the table which shows the guys information points. 59.89.160.90 (talk) 12:45, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Not done - assuming you mean the infobox in the top Right hand corner "Bollywood Debut" is not a supported parameter - that means that, even if it was typed in, it wouldn't show up. The infobox already includes "Years active" - which is the standard parameter. - Arjayay (talk) 13:11, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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I want to edit his basic introduction in more depth Makhalid86 (talk) 21:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Makhalid86: What specifically do you want added? We can't add the text for you if we don't know what to add and what sources it's based on. —C.Fred (talk) 21:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Not done: Empty request Mlpearc (open channel) 07:20, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
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He is karate champion in Hong Kong Phancylane (talk) 05:32, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 05:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
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Please allow me to edit this page. As I am able to spot plenty mistakes about Akshay Kumar. Arnavsethi (talk) 04:42, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.--Skr15081997 (talk) 05:51, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
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he is also will be see in azhar movie starring emraan hashmi,prachi desai,nargis fakhri,lara dutta directed by tony'dsouza release may 13 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.207.91 (talk) 13:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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89.240.45.176 (talk) 16:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)hi there my name is bobby singh 4rm london... theres not too much 2 say about akki apart 4rm hes brilliant... i think he should try for herea pheri part 3... and make remake of satte pe satta along with 7 other comedian co stars. my email singhunit@hotmail.co.uk |
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Akshay kumar nationality is canadian
Akshay kumar nationality
Akshay kumar nationality is canadian
refrence : http://money.bhaskar.com/news-ep/MON-PERS-FINP-these-bollywood-stars-have-foreign-passport-despite-they-earn-more-5295888-PHO.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun9001 (talk • contribs) 02:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Nationality
Can we change the nationality from "Indian actor" to "India-born Canadian actor"? He was granted Canadian citizenship. And since India doesn't allow dual citizenship, even if he is residing in India, he isn't Indian by law.
Source: http://www.vancouverobserver.com/world/lost-canadians/kafkaesque-bureaucracy-denies-citizenship-legitimate-canadians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.19.24.66 (talk) 15:43, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- I think there is no need to even write India-born Canadian actor. A Canadian is a Canadian. It should be "is a Canadian actor who appears in Bollywood films". 77.12.17.205 (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
I am ur fan yrrr I love you 😍 RAJARYAN94 (talk) 06:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- He was born as an Indian citizen before he naturalised as a Canadian. Including "Indian-born" certainly forms a part of his biography, as he was an Indian citizen when he started his career. It doesn't detract from his Canadian nationality in any way. Tiger7253 (talk) 15:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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59.89.153.117 (talk) 15:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC) Muquim Is The Best Friend Of Akshay Kumar Lives At Kasimpur Power House Aligarh
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2016 Included about Akshay's photographer life
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"please include about akshay's photographer career, and getting his portfolio done by ace photographer of the time"
Then he assisted the ace photographer of that time Jayesh Sheth for a year and and got his first portfolio done, using his salary as a payment.[1] He also worked as a background dancer in various films.[2] One morning, he missed his flight for an ad-shoot in Bangalore. Disappointed with himself, he visited a film studio along with his portfolio. That evening, Kumar was signed for a lead role by producer Pramod Chakravarthy for the movie Deedar.[3][4][5]
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References
- ^ "There and back again for Akshay". Mumbai: Midday Newspaper. 12 October 2010. Retrieved 3 May 2016.
- ^ "So what if I play Akshay Kumar's dad?: Jackie Shroff". Daily News and Analysis. Mumbai: Diligent Media Corporation. 8 October 2014. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
- ^ Verma, Sukanya. "Star of the Week – Akshay Kumar". Rediff.com. Archived from the original on 9 August 2014. Retrieved 29 July 2014.
- ^ Singh, Prashant (10 January 2014). "Karisma Kapoor is Akshay Kumar's lucky charm?". Hindustan Times. Mumbai: HT Media. Archived from the original on 5 April 2014. Retrieved 29 July 2014.
- ^ Singh, Prashant (8 July 2012). "Akshay Kumar offers to act in student's film". Hindustan Times. Mumbai: HT Media. Archived from the original on 12 August 2012. Retrieved 29 July 2014.
- Done: not that exact wording though.. -AMMESSAGE 09:11, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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He is an Indian actor and not a Canadian Actor. Please change. Paridhisharma572 (talk) 18:46, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Not done: He has a Canadian passport (source). -AMMESSAGE 09:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Not done: Blank request — JJMC89 (T·C) 07:12, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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Akshay Kumar is an Indian Actor not a Canadian Actor. Wikipedia needs to change it from Canadian to Indian. 2601:647:101:4E87:B4D8:BC4E:140A:EDEA (talk) 07:32, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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Nationality of the actor is Indian and Canadian, include that in the first line rather than only Canadian.
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- Not done: MOS:BLPLEAD — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:59, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
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Akshay Kumar is an Indian Actor and not a Canadian Actor.
Rajiv Hari Om Bhatia (born 9 September 1967), better known by his stage name 'Akshay Kumar', is a Indian[1] actor, producer and martial artist who has appeared in over a hundred Hindi films.<ref>{{cite news|author=Mehul S Thakkar Harsh.sathe89 (talk) 00:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
References
- ^ Akshay Kumar delayed at Heathrow airport over immigration issues. Times of India (8 April 2016)
- Not done: The source indicates Canadian, not Indian. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:13, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Akshay Kumar is an Indian actor. Please make the necessary correction. It is written in this page as Canadian actor
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He is not Canadian Actor, He is an Indian Actor. Please rectify your mistake !
Elitexxx (talk) 03:04, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
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Akshay kumar is an indian actor.(Not canadian)
106.51.139.124 (talk) 16:03, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- Not done and won't be done, because he is Canadian - See this article which includes{-
"UK immigration officials checked the details of his Canadian passport" and "Kumar, who is a Canadian national,"
Any future requests for this change, not citing a reliable source to show that his nationality has changed, will simply be deleted. - Arjayay (talk) 16:42, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
He is an Indian
Rajiv Hari Om Bhatia (born 9 September 1967), better known by his stage name 'Akshay Kumar', is a Canadian[2] actor
Very first line of his wiki shows he is canadian actor which is wrong. He is an Indian actor. Please make the required changes ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shekhar17 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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He is not a Canadian Actor but is an INDIAN.
105.226.33.69 (talk) 20:41, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not done: Already discussed (numerous times). Canadian passport = Canadian citizen = Canadian actor. --Majora (talk) 21:02, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Akshay Kumar is an Indian
Rajiv Hariom Bhatia, better known by his stage name Akshay Kumar, is an Indian[1][2] actor, producer and martial artist of Indian origin who has appeared in over a hundred Hindi films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShilpaLakhani1 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Not done this source from April 2016 is very specific about both his passport and nationality, whereas your article from the Hindustan times is from 2015 and only describes his feelings, whilst Stars unfolded is not a WP:Reliable source - Arjayay (talk) 20:17, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Please make these changes
Akshay kumar was awarded padam shree in 2009 he received that award in 2010 from indian president this award awarded only to indian citizens..that i rem he got Canada citizenship in 2007 so he must have gave up .that. That too you guys saying on that 2rs article Chaudh131 (talk) 23:20, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
- @Chaudh131: He was stopped in an airport with a Canadian passport in April 2016. This is why sources are required for information. --Majora (talk) 20:36, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Nationality
He is an indian Brar, Sukhman (talk) 06:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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| nationality = Indian
Surajadhav (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2016 (UTC) Not done - Please read the big notice at the top of the edit page - he is Canadian - Arjayay (talk) 20:07, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Change the nationality
nationality of Akshay Kumar is indian not canadian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saajid1723 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
- Canadian passport. Canadian citizen. Sorry if that bothers you but we aren't going to change it. --Majora (talk) 01:41, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Nationality of Akshay kumar is wrong here.....It should be changed Subhamay93 (talk) 05:40, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Nationality is changed again to canadian (done by Akki verma007) ,can someone change it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smdrz (talk • contribs) 18:37, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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Rajiv Hariom Bhatia, better known by his stage name Akshay Kumar, is an Indian[1][2] actor, producer and martial artist of Indian origin who has appeared in over a hundred Hindi films[1]
Bosskrutarth (talk) 06:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Not done As stated, he is an "Indian-born Canadian[2]" however many times people try and ignore the facts - Arjayay (talk) 18:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
References
Come On Man... He IS An Indian & Has Indian Citizenship. You Just Changed His Citizenship Cause of Hindustan Times Article Which Is Totally Unreliable. I Can Show You 1000s of Articles Which Proves SRK Is Pakistani. So You Will Change His Citizenship. So Dont Compromise with Your genuinity. When Saif Ali Khan's Phantom Released Some Fool Changed His Article With Some Abusive Words. I Change That Article even I'm Not A Fan. I'm Not Akshay's fan Too. But Atleast Not Impose Questions On Someone's Nationality. Its A Large Term. So Take A Respective Step & Please Change His Nationality From Canadian To Indian. At Least Believe On Some Trusted Magazines Like Forbes or Guardian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AakashJain1989 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
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I am giving another reliable source that he is Indian. Don't blindly deny without checking the Forbes source.
Akshay Kumar has Canadian passport, but he is not a Canadian actor. You will ask for a source, here is the source from Forbes.
http://www.forbes.com/profile/akshay-kumar/
Read with wide open eyes what is written above.
Many editors have protested against this wrong information, but they got warning message from others. He is definitely not Canadian actor. The New York Times mention him as an Indian superstar
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/15/movies/15kuma.html?_r=0
He said in an interview that he has dual citizenship.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2010/10/indian_cinema
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- Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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- By "Canadian actor", Wikipedia doesn't mean, he is an actor who works in Canadian films. But he is a "Canadian" who is also an actor. All sources which refer to him being an Indian are "outdated" by definition. Recent sources emerging from April 2016 on-wards confirms his Canadian nationality (like this [1]). Anup [Talk] 17:28, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
create articles
I cant understand how to create articles and edit? Bikash8908 (talk) 08:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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Nationatlity of Akshay Kumar is Mentioned as Canadian while he is Indian Kamal2562003 (talk) 09:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
- Funny how we follow the sources huh? --Majora (talk) 22:51, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
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Change the nationality to indian Alexkoshy (talk) 06:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: Per consensus and this talk page's edit notice. —KuyaBriBriTalk 12:28, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
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Change the nationality to Indian Jacky jones1007 (talk) 09:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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Akshay kumar is not Canadian actor...and he is not Canadian
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 09:52, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Citizenship confusion
Some refs like this state that Akshay Kumar says he has a honorary citizenship in Canada. Bollywood Life is reliable (though I have no idea why X Links Bot goes all over the place removing it) as it is a venture owned by Zee News and Dna India, both of which are reliable. So, what should we do ? Comments ? King Prithviraj II (talk) 21:11, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Akshay ur Indian or canadian Ryan 2001 (talk) 23:39, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not representative of Akshay Kumar. This article is written by Wikipedia contributors like me and you. King Prithviraj II (talk) 19:07, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Health
One movie health pe bhi bana lo yaar logo ko kitni bimari ho rahi hai kuch solution nikalo Saheb Mahaveer Haran (talk) 03:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
According to right to information act India (RTI India) Mr.Akshay kumar is a INDIAN Citizen. You can download the Indian government provided document on Mr.Akshay kumar citizenship from the the reference link
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Please change Nationality Canadian to Indian
[1] Lukxhman (talk) 18:11, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not done that is NOT a reliable source - Arjayay (talk) 20:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
According to right to information act India (RTI India) Mr.Akshay kumar is a INDIAN Citizen. You can download the Indian government provided document on Mr.Akshay kumar citizenship from the the reference link provided below
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Please change Nationality Canadian to Indian[2] Lukxhman (talk) 18:28, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not done that is NOT a reliable source - Arjayay (talk) 20:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
born place
he was born in delhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.184.49.253 (talk) 17:17, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Akshay is a Indian citizen.
He isn’t Canadian. Spaznam (talk) 03:31, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Spaznam: OK, but according to this source he is indicated as a Canadian national, so if you want that aspect of this article to change, you'll need to provide ample contradictory information attributed to reliable sources, not just your counter-assertion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:49, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
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Include following in Infobox 148.87.23.6 (talk) 21:50, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
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The source .
he lives and works in India. Indians don’t have duel citizenship. I would like to see the proof that he is Canadian. Spaznam (talk) 03:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- You're right. Indians don't have dual citizenship. He does however have a Canadian passport as was already told to you in the section above. With a link to the source in question. In case you missed it though http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/akshay-kumar-delayed-at-heathrow-airport-over-immigration-issues/articleshow/51739596.cms --Majora (talk) 03:56, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- I changed the infobox param from "nationality" to "citizenship", to comply with the documentation for {{infobox people}}. That documentation recommends "citizenship" in place of "nationality" when they differ AND "nationality can be inferred from other parameters such as "residency" and "birthplace", or in addition to "nationality" when they differ AND nationality cannot be inferred. "Citizenship" is an unambiguous legal term. "Nationality" is ambiguous, as it is either a synonym for "citizenship" or a description of identification with some large geopolitical group that the subject considers to be a "nation". I have no idea what Kumar would answer if he were asked his nationality. I doubt the would say "Canadian" except possibly at a customs checkpoint. In another context, he might say "Indian" or name the Indian state with which he identifies. We have similar problems with the meaning of "nationality" in articles about people from England, Scotland, and Wales. -Arch dude (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- He might say he is Indo Candian. Or Canadian Indian.101.178.163.208 (talk) 06:54, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Indians can have dual citizenship, its called OCI or some crap. And there are many Indians who probably dont tell the Indian government about this.101.178.163.208 (talk) 06:53, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Nationality.
I understand that he is a Canadian citizen. But he was Indian for probably 40 years. And therefore something like this should be included: India (1967 - 2015) and Canada ( present).101.178.163.208 (talk) 06:53, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- No. There is no reason why we should include a completely separate parameter for something just because his fans are upset that he doesn't hold Indian citizenship anymore. And yes, that is true. It is illegal to be a dual citizen in Indian. By accepting Canadian citizenship he renounced his Indian citizenship. That is how that works. Arch dude, it would have been far more preferable if you actually mentioned something here before going ahead and doing that. This page has been plagued by POV pushers on his nationality for quite some time. Long enough to have an edit notice on this page. --Majora (talk) 18:52, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- If you look at this page for example, "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott", it tells you that this person had two nationalities. As you can see, its not just POV. And nope, its not illegal. Its called OCI or overseas citizenship, as I stated earlier. 101.178.163.208 (talk) 06:21, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- I saw the edit notice. I also saw that the problem is the conflation of "nationality" with "citizenship" and that we have a documented method of resolving the problem, so I applied it. Do you disagree with the solution? If so, revert and we can discuss. Note that if we have a reliable source for Kumar's self-assessment of his nationality (not citizenship) then we should probably put the "nationality" parameter back in while still retaining the citizenship parameter. -Arch dude (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- Since there is a question as to whether or not he hold Canadian citizenship or full Canadian nationality it probably would have been prudent to maintain the status quo before making such a change. Instead of just coming here from the help desk and unilaterally making the change when you have never maintained this article before now. It is obvious that another one of his fans went to the help desk to attempt to right great wrongs and you obliged them.
The difference between "national" and "citizen" is small and the only way to get Canadian citizenship is via four options per Canadian nationality law#Summary of acquisition of Canadian citizenship. The only method there that would apply for Kumar is via naturalization. So yeah. There is still the question here and I just think that you should have, at the very least, posted something on the talk page first before making that change to appease POV pushers who have been doing this for years. --Majora (talk) 20:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- Since there is a question as to whether or not he hold Canadian citizenship or full Canadian nationality it probably would have been prudent to maintain the status quo before making such a change. Instead of just coming here from the help desk and unilaterally making the change when you have never maintained this article before now. It is obvious that another one of his fans went to the help desk to attempt to right great wrongs and you obliged them.
- Not sure which part of the discussion to respond to, but the lead says "Akshay Kumar (born Rajiv Hari Om Bhatia; 9 September 1967), is an Indian origin actor". "Indian origin actor" reads very weird to me. Any thoughts on this? Would it make sense to move the Indian content and craft a new sentence about his birthplace and Canadian passport? Ex: "Akshay Kumar ... is an actor, producer, martial artist, stuntman and television personality, who works in Bollywood films ... Kumar was born in India, but holds a Canadian passport." Also, is it odd that we're describing the passport he "holds", rather than saying he's a Canadian citizen? Is he definitively a Canadian citizen? Is there any other way to get a Canadian passport? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Cyphoidbomb: 99% of the time passport signify citizenship. A rare exception example to that would be people born in the Northern Mariana Islands who have passports that read "THE BEARER IS A UNITED STATES NATIONAL AND NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN". Going back to Canada, according to Canadian passport#Application and issuance a Canadian passport requires that the person be a Canadian citizen, which in this case was probably done via naturalization. According to the application website you also need to prove Canadian citizenship in order to get a Canadian passport. Kumar is definitely a Canadian citizen. --Majora (talk) 21:02, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Akshay kumar nationality
Akshay kumar holds canadian citizenship.. ??!! how can you be so sure of it.. ? you accepted whatever these media and tabloids reported..for your kind information An RTI i.e right to information was filed with the indian government seeking information about Akshay kumar's citizenship status the government of India clearly replied stating that Akshay kumar has not given up indian citizenship he is an indian citizen..you can google about this RTI i am sharing the link though.. http://www.acadman.in/akshay-kumar-indian-citizen-government-india/ Now tell me whom do you believe Government of India or some cheap media channel...please respond asap..and kindly edit akshay kumar's wiki page citizenship to Indian... Swapnil1599 (talk) 11:37, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah no...The Economic Times is a well respected reliable source with editorial staff and a history of fact checking. If you want to dispute that use WP:RS/N but I can guarantee you that you will not be pleased with the outcome. It isn't changing. --Majora (talk) 21:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Lead Section
The lead section of the article was too long. Have incorporated a lot of changes. Any further changes advised? Csgir (talk) 08:56, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
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Height of Akshay Kumar - 1.81 cm (5 feet 11 inches) 103.65.30.2 (talk) 21:03, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
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Newest "Indian Citizenship" claim
Since I doubt this is going to last very long, again, I wanted to post my rationale here. First of all that PDF is the very embodiment of original research. It cannot be used on a BLP. Second, it doesn't even say that Kumar is an Indian citizen. At all. It says that he is not an overseas citizen of India. Which is the exact opposite of what Maestro2016 is using that invalid source for. Finally, just because he didn't go to a consulate and voluntarily give up his Indian citizenship doesn't mean he still holds it. As has been discussed numerous times already, Indian law forbids dual citizenship. This is laid out in our article on the matter, Indian nationality law. So when Kumar gained Canadian citizenship his Indian citizenship was automatically voided. No voluntary action on his part required. --Majora (talk) 00:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
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Akshay Kumar won the National FIlm Award for both Rustom and Airlift (film). Please correct that in where ever it mentions only Rustom. Source is https://www.thequint.com/entertainment/bollywood/akshay-kumar-won-national-award-for-both-rustom-and-airlift-says-priyadarshan#gs.etRRUwQm 137.97.115.214 (talk) 08:07, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
- Not done for now: Needs a better source. The hearsay in the linked article does not compare to the official list from the organization that gave the award. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:48, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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Information about the person is completely wrong. Its been edited by spammers. Akshay Kumar is an Indian actor instead of canadian. His citizenship is Indian not canadian. Dipanshu8 (talk) 06:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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English Closed Captions for Akshay Kumar's interview with Narendra Modiji
The unique interview was done on 24 Apr 2019 but it was almost entirely in Hindi. There is one video, covering the entire interview, with closed captions in English!
As far as I know, this is the only such video of this interview.
The video is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWVZ6ud8z_o&t=3624s — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vmad7 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Education Qualification
The name of the institution is mentioned under Education Qualification rather than mentioning the actual degree. The institute should be mentioned under alma mater. Ketanrr (talk) 19:04, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Ketanrr: Fixed in this edit. Thank you for the note. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:47, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Citizenship of Akshay Kumar
As mentioned in an interview by himself, he has been given honorary canadian citizenship. He claims to be an official Indian Citizen. PankajW03 (talk) 19:20, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Unsourced and contradicting cited sources, as the warning at the top of this page, in edit mode, states "Requests to change his nationality will be denied. Thank you for your understanding in this matter." - Arjayay (talk) 19:28, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
Akshay Kumar has honorary citizenship of Canada not acquired it is just like a award according the Canadian government Canada government provide this many people and akshay Kumar is one of the highest paid actor in India not in Canada so he is citizenship of India . after this one more thing in India dual citizenship provided for some countries in 2002 during the time of Atal Bihari bajpayi government Canada is one of them second time dual citizenship provided by the Dr.manmohan Singh government but not the right of casting the vote but he is a citizen of India. Vikas9773665 (talk) 05:01, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Multiple claims regarding height
The cited source mentions Kumar's height as 6'1". That source was published by rediff.com in 2007. The same site published this source in 2017, and it mentions his height as 5'11". I guess we should mention both claims regarding his height. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- @NitinMlk: Or omit it entirely, as it is of dubious academic relevance. Height might be relevant for a boxer or a basketball player where the information might explain why the subject excelled in those fields, just like weight might be relevant for a horse jockey or sumo wrestler. But height for an actor? Very trivial and rarely included in biographical articles. At 157 centimetres, Prince was known as a diminutive musician, but there's no mention of his height in the infobox. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:14, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- @NitinMlk: Also, please see Template:Infobox person instructions for this parameter. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:16, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Cyphoidbomb:, Actually I put the height part but didn't go through the explanation in Template:Infobox person. Probably should remove it since the subject is not notable for his height. But on a similar note can't we include Amitabh Bachchan's height? He's notable for his height isn't it? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Fylindfotberserk: I'm not too familiar with Bachchan, but I would think that he is principally notable for being an actor, not necessarily for being a tall actor, and I don't see anything in the article that draws attention to this. Compare that to Peter Mayhew, the gentleman who played Chewbacca in Star Wars, who was 221 centimetres (7.25 ft) tall. He is notable for being a tall actor. Same with Joonas Suotamo, the man who replaced Mayhew in the role. Suotamo was also a basketball player, again where height is potentially noteworthy. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Cyphoidbomb:, Might not be in Bachchan's article, but in Indian popular culture he is kinda notable for his height. Probably we can find some reliable sources supporting this in future. Now I'm not that much interested in this, I'm just curious. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Cyphoidbomb & Fylindfotberserk, yes, there doesn't seem to be any relevance of height here, so it seems fine to remove it. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Cyphoidbomb:, @NitinMlk: I've removed it. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Cyphoidbomb:, @NitinMlk: I've removed it. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Cyphoidbomb & Fylindfotberserk, yes, there doesn't seem to be any relevance of height here, so it seems fine to remove it. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Cyphoidbomb:, Might not be in Bachchan's article, but in Indian popular culture he is kinda notable for his height. Probably we can find some reliable sources supporting this in future. Now I'm not that much interested in this, I'm just curious. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Fylindfotberserk: I'm not too familiar with Bachchan, but I would think that he is principally notable for being an actor, not necessarily for being a tall actor, and I don't see anything in the article that draws attention to this. Compare that to Peter Mayhew, the gentleman who played Chewbacca in Star Wars, who was 221 centimetres (7.25 ft) tall. He is notable for being a tall actor. Same with Joonas Suotamo, the man who replaced Mayhew in the role. Suotamo was also a basketball player, again where height is potentially noteworthy. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Cyphoidbomb:, Actually I put the height part but didn't go through the explanation in Template:Infobox person. Probably should remove it since the subject is not notable for his height. But on a similar note can't we include Amitabh Bachchan's height? He's notable for his height isn't it? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
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2405:204:3118:EAF3:28E5:95FC:674D:925A (talk) 16:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
His father was not an Indian army officeris rank would have been known otherwise h that's for sure probably could from other than officer ranks
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Akshay Kumar born location
New Delhi not Amritsar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naga15 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
- Please provide a reliable source to support your claim - Arjayay (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
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Remove Indian nationality. 220.227.52.23 (talk) 10:28, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- Done thanks for pointing out that it had been re-added - Arjayay (talk) 10:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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Someone added Indian nationality again, change it to Canadian.
Citizenship
Why why why akshay sir wants to have Canadian citizenship Pavanrj22 (talk) 20:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
He have Indian citizenship but it is not edited in Wikipedia. Saitejashinde (talk) 14:59, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- As per sources, he has Canadian citizenship. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
He has Canadian citizenship. He is overseas citizen of india. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surinde849r (talk • contribs) 17:40, 22 February 2020 (UTC) He is pseudosecular.
Okey Surinde849r (talk) 17:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- Unless he gets his Indian citizenship and his Canadian citizenship gets cancelled, he will be called a Canadian citizen in the article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:37, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Religious contradiction
Hi Kailash29792 re: this edit, I know the point was to present a conflicting statement about his religious practise, but now that paragraph seems oddly contradictory in that there is no connective tissue for readers to understand why our content contradicts himself. Maybe something like "Kumar has said that he is a practising blah blah blah, but has also gone on record as saying <contradictory thing>." Thoughts? At least that would make it clear that the contradiction in that paragraph is there on purpose. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Cyphoidbomb, I've rewritten it. How is it now? Kailash29792 (talk) 03:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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akshay kumar born in delhi not amritsar
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- I looked at the Britannica source and it says Amritsar. It could be a mistake, but barring any other reliable source being available, the status quo will stand. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:50, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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2402:8100:387E:4D00:E44B:66F2:1C69:6D34 (talk) 15:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Height 6 feet 1 inch
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Nationality
Should he not be described as an Indian actor with Canadian citizenship? I find it silly that he's introduced as Canadian, particularly in view of the references cited, both quoting him as saying that he is first and foremost Indian and that he applied back for Indian citizenship as it was a temporary thing. As far as I know, he hasn't even lived in Canada, he's been in India all along. One also has to mind the common meaning of nationality as in ethnicity, which might confuse readers. In this specific context, his nationality is Indian and citizenship Canadian. Shahid • Talk2me 00:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Part of the problem, which you acknowledge above, is the confusion that "Indian" could suggest ethnicity, which is amplified, I think, when we highlight a citizenship that is different from "Indian". To your point that "his nationality is Indian and citizenship Canadian", I'm not sure that's actually even true. When he was born in India, his nationality, which is typically an inherited label, would have been Indian for most of his life. But once someone changes citizenship, they become a member of another state, which I believe technically changes his nationality to Canadian. His children, if they were born in Canada, would be Canadian, and any attempt to label them "Indian" would describe ethnicity in the way that describing Kumar as an Indian would be describing an ethnicity, not his actual national alliance. If he doesn't want to be called a Canadian, he should swap citizenship. Previous wording at this article was "Indian-born Canadian", but again, this seems like a way to casually suggest an ethnicity when WP:ETHNICITY would not care for that. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- The funny thing is he does not live in Canada, never lived there, and above all identifies as Indian. The key word here is the one you yourself used - technically. There's common sense as well. I would suggest that he is of Indian ethnicity, which should not be mentioned unless it's notable, and in the case of this current situation, it does, IMO, need to be clarified. More than anything, I find him to be an Indian with Canadian citizenship. And by the way, at the end of the day, it's all about verifiability, not truth. Truth is he carries a Canadian passport (which, as he said, he wants to swap back to an Indian one), but I'm pretty sure every reliable source will refer to him as Indian anyway. What about "an actor with Canadian citizenship"? Shahid • Talk2me 02:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if someone lives in the nation they are a citizen of. If you're a citizen, you're a citizen. That's your new nationality. For as long as he is a Canadian citizen, he is a "Canadian", just as he'd be an American if he had American citizenship. The problem, is that (obviously with no ill intent on your part) you're proposing that we downplay the Canadian-ness of choices that he made. I didn't make him a Canadian. You didn't make him a Canadian. He made the choice and now he's more than just a "passport holder", he's a citizen of Canada. "An actor with Canadian citizenship" sounds like we're tiptoeing around some unspecified issue that has resulted in censorship. I'd probably suggest that more people should participate in this discussion before any change is made. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Of course, I don't feel very strongly about it and wouldn't change it without reaching some sort of agreement. My point is - I feel that words taken to indicate one's nationality carry much more weight than strictly citizenship. Okay it's his choice (which he has since admittedly regretted), but being Canadian entails much more than holding a passport and, in this case, I disagree with you, since I, as opposed to you, do tend to think that it makes him just a passport holder. At the end of the day, it's of no use, he wants to give it up, and above all, introducing someone as Canadian does give the impression that he was born in Canada, and that's why Indian-born would help avoiding confusion. Shahid • Talk2me 03:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Bollywood actors commonly make up stuff.He's heard in this Economist interview: "I have a strong affiliation with Canada and also have dual citizenship."But he forgot to read tThe Constitution of Indiawhichdoes not allow this, India's Ministry of External Affairs says it, the Indian consulate says this in NYC, the Australian consulate says this in Delhi, and the Hindu newspaper reported in February 2020 the Indian federal government reaffirmed that dual citizenship is not allowed under the Indian Constitution.Powerful chief ministers of Tamil Nadu have been lobbying the Indian government for that privilege for Sri Lankan Tamils for many decades. Do you seriously think they made a special dispensation for Mr Kumar? Please remove that garbage. He's not Canadian. He's never lived in Canada. He's never emigrated to Canada. He's not a dual citizen. Seriously, is there no limit to how low Wikipedia will stoop in kowtowing to what celebrities will say?Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC) Updated with apologies. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)If he is claiming he became a Canadian citizen, perforce renounced his Indian citizenship, and is now waiting to get it back, that too is nonsense. To be naturalized as a Canadian, you have to be a permanent resident first (let's say he finagled that somehow); you then have to be physically present in Canada for three of the previous five years, before you can apply for citizenship. When did he do that? Perhaps they were flying back and forth, racking up the Canadian physical presence requirement which probably doesn't have to be continuous, and quietly became Canadian citizens, and is now telling a story about recovering his Indian citizenship in case Indians find out and bad publicity comes his way. This too is not uncommon. Indian expats in the US, for example, such as Jagadish Bhagwati, for example, don't like to announce that they've left India. See my post Talk:Jagdish_Bhagwati#India-born_naturalized_American But whatever is his story, it is obviously not one of dual citizenship. If he did become a naturalized Canadian, then you need to clearly say, "India-born naturalized Canadian actor." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)Updated with apologies. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)- Though I understand your passionate objection to the content, your analysis, though it could very well be correct and factual, is not much more than original research, and I don't mean that to be disparaging to you. There are sources that say he has Canadian citizenship, two of which are linked in the infobox. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Of course, I don't feel very strongly about it and wouldn't change it without reaching some sort of agreement. My point is - I feel that words taken to indicate one's nationality carry much more weight than strictly citizenship. Okay it's his choice (which he has since admittedly regretted), but being Canadian entails much more than holding a passport and, in this case, I disagree with you, since I, as opposed to you, do tend to think that it makes him just a passport holder. At the end of the day, it's of no use, he wants to give it up, and above all, introducing someone as Canadian does give the impression that he was born in Canada, and that's why Indian-born would help avoiding confusion. Shahid • Talk2me 03:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if someone lives in the nation they are a citizen of. If you're a citizen, you're a citizen. That's your new nationality. For as long as he is a Canadian citizen, he is a "Canadian", just as he'd be an American if he had American citizenship. The problem, is that (obviously with no ill intent on your part) you're proposing that we downplay the Canadian-ness of choices that he made. I didn't make him a Canadian. You didn't make him a Canadian. He made the choice and now he's more than just a "passport holder", he's a citizen of Canada. "An actor with Canadian citizenship" sounds like we're tiptoeing around some unspecified issue that has resulted in censorship. I'd probably suggest that more people should participate in this discussion before any change is made. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- The funny thing is he does not live in Canada, never lived there, and above all identifies as Indian. The key word here is the one you yourself used - technically. There's common sense as well. I would suggest that he is of Indian ethnicity, which should not be mentioned unless it's notable, and in the case of this current situation, it does, IMO, need to be clarified. More than anything, I find him to be an Indian with Canadian citizenship. And by the way, at the end of the day, it's all about verifiability, not truth. Truth is he carries a Canadian passport (which, as he said, he wants to swap back to an Indian one), but I'm pretty sure every reliable source will refer to him as Indian anyway. What about "an actor with Canadian citizenship"? Shahid • Talk2me 02:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Sources also say he has dual citizenship. He himself says it in the Economist interview. How? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
OK, the India Today story of 2019, which I just read, makes clear that he was born in India, emigrated to Canada, became a permanent resident, then applied for Canadian citizenship, all under the radar of publicity. And like Jagadish Bhagwati is trying to hide it. No surprise there. Anyway, that is his problem. But for us, using the India Today source, you need to write in the lead and elsewhere: "... is an India-born naturalized Canadian actor." You have a source. End of story, and controversy. We are very clear about that on Wikipedia, mention both nationality and residency even when nationality has not been changed e.g. Amartya Sen or Sugata Bose. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)Updated with apologies. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)- For the record, I haven't read the above discussion carefully, but I agree with the tenor of Shahid's posts. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to post this on WT:INDIA. I'm sure Mr Kumar's creative retelling of The Return of the Native will not pass muster there. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)No need for this as it is clear in the sources. Updated. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)- OK, I've figured this out. He was obviously born and raised in India. Well into his adulthood, he emigrated to Canada (nothing wrong in that), but has continued to work in India (nothing wrong with that either). In keeping with the precedent in Albert Einstein, Anna Freud, or Erwin Schrödinger, all citizenships, whether sequential (and non-overlapping) or dual, are mentioned. Einstein, for example, was a US citizen in the last period of his life, but the earlier period, the major and most eventful one—of the photoelectric effect and relativity, both special and general, their experimental verification during a solar eclipse, and recognition in the Nobel Prize—was spent in Europe. I've added references that make this fairly explicit. India does not allow dual citizenship, so Mr Kumar's are sequential but not overlapping. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- For the record, I haven't read the above discussion carefully, but I agree with the tenor of Shahid's posts. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Confusion about nationality
In an event Akshay Kumar says that he had applied for a Canadian citizenship at a time when he had 14 back-to-back flops. Article missing this information. Infobox says, it's the Canadian government awarded him citizenship. I fail to understand this contradiction, who is lying Akshay Kumar or his wikipedia article? --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 06:16, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Obviously he. A minister in the Conservative Party government of former Canadian PM Stephen Harper says they awarded him citizenship without the requirement of his first having emigrated there, receiving permanent residence status there, and subsequently meeting the three-year residency requirement to apply for citizenship. It was all done using a little-known clause in Canadian law in return for his promise to use his star power to promote Canadian tourism in India. He became a citizen in 2011 and had to renounce his Indian citizenship. He got caught (when the Indian media questioned his qualifications for crusading for Indian citizens to vote in Mumbai, when he did not have voting rights himself) and is making up silly stories. Wikipedia is not beholden to treat stories that Bollywood actors spin as reliable truth even if they are being widely reported in India's media. We have mentioned his version in the citizenship section. But the infobox and the lead require seriously reliable sourcing such as the statement of a minister in the government which awarded him Canadian citizenship. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 06:54, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Wordy citizenship info
Hey there Fowler&fowler, the content you restored here seems way too wordy to me.
Indian until 2011; Canadian thereafter as a result of awarding of citizenship by the Canadian government
Does all of that need to be there? Seems like if we said "Indian until 2011; Canadian thereafter", that would do it. I mean, how else could he get Canadian citizenship unless the Canadian government awarded him citizenship? Any further clarification that we needed to make should be presented in prose elsewhere in the article. Since you brought up Albert Einstein in an earlier conversation as an example of how to present the info, I don't see that level of detail in his |citizenship=
parameter. I see Einstein jumping about, but there's no prose about him being awarded citizenship by each of those nations/empires/kingdoms/states, likely because it's implicit.
And for the record, I also don't see a problem with the way the other user presented it:
- Indian (1967-2011)
- Canadian (2011-present)
Thanks and regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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Akshay Kumar The King Of Bollywood 103.252.166.114 (talk) 06:35, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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Akshay Kumar has applied for Indian Passport and received it. Please remove Canadian from his description paragraph. He is Indian now. 103.111.180.73 (talk) 11:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: we go by reliable sources on Wikipedia, which you have not provided. Thank you, —MelbourneStar☆talk 11:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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2405:204:979A:7863:4BCA:F5A:5B42:DEC5 (talk) 21:44, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Akshay is born in delhi
- You need to provide a source for that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:51, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Especially since it conflicts with the Britannica Book of the Year 2010, which says he was born in Amritsar.[2] Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
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2605:8D80:445:CBEA:48B6:354C:BCAA:EC31 (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
His mother may be Sikh but he does have Sikh roots, his great- great grandmother was a Sodhi Khatri and he may be a distant descendant of Bhai Banno. Also five Punjabi Bhatias fought to protect guru Gobind Singh ji. FIVE. More than Jatts, more than any other caste. Hi probability he has relations to them.
My name is Dr. Paul Bhatia in Vancouver and I am a descendant of those Sikhs and I have reason to believe so is Akshay. After partition we lost our rich history.
IG @issabhatia
- Not done A Quora reply isn't a reliable source, and there seems to be a lot of original research in it. If you have an expert confidently stating exactly what you want to add, please reply and re-open the question with that. Uses x (talk • contribs) 00:49, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
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Akshay Kumar biography Tester194 (talk) 08:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
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Dead -08-09-2021 2401:4900:5036:6773:D75C:D1CF:9756:26D3 (talk) 04:52, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Recent articles only talk of his mother passing. Please provide sourcing on his death if this is what is meant by your request. — IVORK Talk 05:04, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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The nicknames are bogus and exaggerated Pulkit24.genius (talk) 09:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC) Those nicknames are not verified please only include verified information
Wikipedia should be a page of geninue information and not exaggerated glorification Pulkit24.genius (talk) 09:53, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 10:07, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
The page was seriously moved to "King of Versatility"? Shahid • Talk2me 11:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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Akshay Kumar's name is Akay Kumar 2601:402:4402:38D0:C875:4E0D:BB1F:3113 (talk) 02:58, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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Martial artist ?
Does he perform martial art on stage or participate in martial art events. I suggest to remove martial artist from lead section it is misleading. 2401:4900:52F2:E183:D79A:4642:708:BFD8 (talk) 12:31, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've boldly removed martial artist per MOS:ROLEBIO, as its not integral to Kumar's notability and not otherwise discussed in the lead. -- Ab207 (talk) 05:38, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Citizenship
What is the real status of his citizenship? Indian or Canadian as on 2021 Somnath Mukherjee1994 (talk) 16:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Canadian. Granted, according to reliable Canadian sources, by a Conservative Canadian government for the promise of promoting them in India. It was not the result of an immigrant application filled out when his pictures were flopping as he has claimed. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:08, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
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Nationality - INDIA
Not Canadian. 2409:4043:2D9E:CDF5:B84:FB9E:B748:428A (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:17, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Short
A short Description is fine You don't have write all that he's Indian candian actor 21aryan (talk) 07:33, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Its all already in his introduction 21aryan (talk) 07:34, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Deletion of Controversy section
I had added section on controversy which has been deleted by @Shshshsh without any alternate proposition. Seek a resolution on the same. His rationale says the section was based on tabloid journalism. In that case the entire page is based on those very same sources cited in a flowery way. Would that also be deleted directly if I point out? Amitized (talk) 11:27, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Further WP:Notability in case of events warrantes we retain this aspect in some form or the other. I would recommend making it a part of personal life if controversy section is not acceptable. Please suggest Amitized (talk) 11:44, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Few thoughts on how I can rework to improve the overall context instead of stand alone controversy section. Will update over next few weeks.Amitized (talk) 11:57, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Amitized: Hi, I did cite WP:CRITS and it's also advisable to look at WP:DUE. Not everything that can be supported by sources should be included in a WP:BLP article. His romantic affairs are just totally redundant. WP is not a gossip magazine. As for the tobacco controversy, this really is just a random, inconsequential incident - mind you, this is a biographical, encyclopedic entry. Shahid • Talk2me 12:20, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing more aspects for me to take into view, will propose a relevant prose for this, though I disagree on affairs, its a part of his life and not just one off. Tobacco controversy is certainly not inconsequential else there would not be a notable reaction. We can debate further on this. Meanwhile I will share an alternate draft in few days. Amitized (talk) 12:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Film project
Ram 2409:4041:E98:2F1D:30DC:D31A:2658:E341 (talk) 04:32, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Do you have a reliable source that says filming/shooting has started? It is a requirement per WP:FILMOGRAPHY. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:11, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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Rajiv Hari Om Bhatia (born 9 September 1967),[4] known professionally as Akshay Kumar (pronounced [əkˈʂəj kʊˈmɑːɾ]), is an Indian actor and film producer who works in Hindi cinema 106.203.204.3 (talk) 08:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not done, Your request is not clear. It should be of the form "please change X to Y". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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2604:3D09:678:400:E998:A415:A433:4DAD (talk) 20:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC) Akshay Kumar was born in New Delhi not Amritsar. He has mentioned and requested in so many interviews why Google and wikipedia shows that. Its a humble request to change it please. He is Hindu Punjabi, but he was born in New Delhi, Please change that.
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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2604:3D09:678:400:D0A:E11F:6776:2388 (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Akshay was born in New Delhi not Amritsar.
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Hindutva/Hindu right-wing related
The article does not cover anything related to his religion based activities. @Fowler&fowler Thanks for the compilation above. I'm looking forward to read them as the time permits and also make any suggestions I could find. (I was reading thru "Ram Setu: Nationalism can't save a poorly written film". Firstpost. 2022-10-26. which puts AK as the poster boy of nationalism and soft-Hindutva
and wondered if there is something written here, alas) — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:57, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reminder @DaxServer: Will try to draft something this coming week. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:01, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Lead
I think most leads of film actors do have a first paragraph which is more about achievements, awards, and standing in the film industry; then a summary of the career; then the rest, like, in this case, citizenship. I agree that everything pertaining to his Canadian citizenship, which was well-researched by Fowler&fowler, should be given a paragraph of its own, but other than that everything is okay there. I spent quite some time halting the other user's attempts to turn to lead into journalistic fancruft. I think now it's more balanced, and if there's any problem with particular instances, let's discuss them. Shahid • Talk2me 11:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- There's repetition. Some awards are mentioned in the lead paragraph and again later; one of the national awards which is the "fourth-highest civilian honour" now no longer says that. There's way too much WP:BOOSTER. The WP:ONUS is on you too as the adding editor, not on my as the deleting. Please do not edit war. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you and the other editor don't dial down the hagiography in the lead, I will dial is down drastically tomorrow. It is not my job to come cleaning up after you. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:48, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: No one is edit warring. I've been a frequent contributor of this article for years now, and I spent time working on the lead. Maybe you should think about not edit warring yourself. I am inviting you to discuss. Let's fix those issues which we agree on, but the lead as it is, particularly the two paragraphs summarising his career are well written now. Shahid • Talk2me 11:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please read WP:ONUS. It is not mine. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Like I said, if you don't dial down no matter how you rationalize your right to exaggerate, I will dial it down tomorrow. Last post here until tomorrow. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: Do as you wish, but please - do not use threats. Please read WP:EDIT WAR, by the way, it's not just restricted to full revert. No one owns the article, and your point of view does not hold more merit than others'. Shahid • Talk2me 11:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: Actually it is. The lead is a summary of the article now, and everything is properly sources. Give examples of "hagiography", I'll clean them up. I've just removed a part which gives him unnecessary "of the most..." credit. Shahid • Talk2me 11:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not keep pinging me; otherwise, I will add you to my "silenced" list. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Your silenced list? Really? Shahid • Talk2me 11:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not keep pinging me; otherwise, I will add you to my "silenced" list. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Like I said, if you don't dial down no matter how you rationalize your right to exaggerate, I will dial it down tomorrow. Last post here until tomorrow. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please read WP:ONUS. It is not mine. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Krimuk2.0: Since you've edited this page before - do you have an opinion or suggestions on the lead as it is now? Shahid • Talk2me 12:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lead is much better now, for sure. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Btw, I still don't think his citizenship deserves an entire paragraph in the lead. One sentence should be enough. The quotes and explanation should be in the article body IMO. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree. It is a major point of contention, with him obviously prevaricating for many years. Wikipedia is the only reliable source here. Most people don't read beyond the lead. Besides, it has been in the article for a number of years. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- So? WP:UNDUE applies. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- How? It has received significant coverage in the press, both in Canada and India. Also, his links with the Hindu nationalist ruling party and his boosting Hindu culture is not mentioned either in the article or in the lead. I will soon be adding both. The movie pages in general, and Bollywood in particular get easy passes because no one pays attention to the fluff. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- LOL. This isn't Twitter. Kindly take your battleground mentality there. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- There are reliable sources galore, the New Yorker for one from just four days ago. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- His affiliation with a political party is hardly relevant in the body, maybe a mere sentence at best, much less the lead of the article. If you are referring to this article, which has a passing mention of Kumar's name as a lead in some film, as evidence for that, then, well. Shahid • Talk2me 12:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- That is just one. There are dozens. There is no mention of his three recent back to back flops, all around Hindu nationalist themes. No mention of his explicit statements about the need for history textbooks to be revised and made more favorable to Hindus. Anyway, as I said, I will edit this article and fix it tomorrow. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Who cares? He's an actor, not a political figure. You better keep your enthusiasm with Hindu nationalist movements away from articles on actors. Everyone has opinions (honestly, I didn't know all that until you just said it here but as I said, who cares anyway), Raj Kapoor did, and Dilip Kumar did, and so do the Khans, but they are actors - it's not what they're known for. I think a sentence about someone who's been public about the party they vote or something could do, but other than that, unless it gets significant coverage much to the point where they clearly become known for that, it's hardly notable.
- About the changes you want to make, please note that there is agreement on the lead as it stands, including the introductory paragraph (minus the "one of the most successful" which will be removed) and the summary of his career, and you should discuss it if you are willing to make major changes to them. Shahid • Talk2me 13:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- All depends on the attention in the sources. You can have any number of vaunted RfCs on that. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- By the way, which flops are you talking about when you're saying "back to back flops, all around Hindu nationalist themes"? I see 1) Raksha Bandhan, which is a family comedy-drama; 2) Samrat Prithviraj, a historical film; 3) Bachchhan Paandey, an action comedy; and 4) Bell Bottom, an action comedy. Indeed, all of them didn't do well. It can be mentioned of course, we just need to think how. Shahid • Talk2me 13:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- That is just one. There are dozens. There is no mention of his three recent back to back flops, all around Hindu nationalist themes. No mention of his explicit statements about the need for history textbooks to be revised and made more favorable to Hindus. Anyway, as I said, I will edit this article and fix it tomorrow. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- His affiliation with a political party is hardly relevant in the body, maybe a mere sentence at best, much less the lead of the article. If you are referring to this article, which has a passing mention of Kumar's name as a lead in some film, as evidence for that, then, well. Shahid • Talk2me 12:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- There are reliable sources galore, the New Yorker for one from just four days ago. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- LOL. This isn't Twitter. Kindly take your battleground mentality there. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- How? It has received significant coverage in the press, both in Canada and India. Also, his links with the Hindu nationalist ruling party and his boosting Hindu culture is not mentioned either in the article or in the lead. I will soon be adding both. The movie pages in general, and Bollywood in particular get easy passes because no one pays attention to the fluff. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- So? WP:UNDUE applies. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree. It is a major point of contention, with him obviously prevaricating for many years. Wikipedia is the only reliable source here. Most people don't read beyond the lead. Besides, it has been in the article for a number of years. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please also do not canvass. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:18, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- This isn't canvassing - Krimuk has been a contributor of this page and he's been invited to weigh in on the matter. Shahid • Talk2me 12:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Krimuk2.0: Thank you for your edits and input Krimuk. I think so too. So we have a sort of consensus on the career part with your edits and point of view. As for citizenship, I'm not sure exactly how it should be presented - I think Akshay Kumar#Citizenship is a very good summary of his citizenship. So we have two points in need of solving:
- 1) As for the repetition of awards, it is quite common practice to give a summary of his awards in the first paragraph and specify them later in the lead.
- 2) This edit by Themodifie7, I completely disagree with. "one of the most successful..." is just puffery especially when him being one of the highest-paid actors is alredy mentioned. Shahid • Talk2me 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you for cutting on the POV pushing. The last edit about acclaim should also be reverted. Agree? Shahid • Talk2me 12:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
The citizenship part notwithstanding (we'll address it in a separate section and take it to RfC if needed), these last two edits by the other user, which are mere fancruft, should be reverted. Do we agree on that? Shahid • Talk2me 12:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- So, this is the version agreed upon by Krimuk and myself, and I believe the removal of puffery is accepted by Fowler as well. Right now the lead relies on factual information just as it should instead of fancruft.
- As for citizenship, I trust Krimuk's input and we'll see what Fowler has to offer in regard to the sources he's collecting in the section below. Shahid • Talk2me 13:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not the citizenship which is so notable for the lead that there is a Wikipedia warning about it when someone wants to edit the page, but about his blatant Hindu Nationalist POV-pushing. I will write a section on it later summarize it in the lead after the current citizenship sentences. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you attempt to remove it, I guarantee you I will give you and the other editor a run for the money. This is no threat, only a reflection of my use of irrefutable sources. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Are you kidding? Is this an ego trip against other editors or actual willingness to contribute and improve this page? I think your history shows more words than actions, and this hostile explosion of ego here is exactly why many reputable WP editors do not wish to collaborate with you and have often complained about your own POV pushing. Please be warned here that your threats will not be tolerated any longer.
- As for sources - it's never only about sourcing - WP:DUE is a huge part of writing articles. Please also note WP:BLP. They will lead this article, as will WP:CON. You should know that already. You do your job and others will do theirs', and we always have WP policy and other routes to achieving consensus and bringing a broaded number of opinions to fore. Shahid • Talk2me 15:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- For the record, if your contribution is fair, balanced, and well in place, I will be the first to support you just as I supported the citizenship section. Shahid • Talk2me 15:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I am collecting the sources first and listing them below. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- For the record, if your contribution is fair, balanced, and well in place, I will be the first to support you just as I supported the citizenship section. Shahid • Talk2me 15:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you attempt to remove it, I guarantee you I will give you and the other editor a run for the money. This is no threat, only a reflection of my use of irrefutable sources. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not the citizenship which is so notable for the lead that there is a Wikipedia warning about it when someone wants to edit the page, but about his blatant Hindu Nationalist POV-pushing. I will write a section on it later summarize it in the lead after the current citizenship sentences. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Following recent edits by Fowler - I would like to specify what Krimuk2.0 has already mentioned above - Citizenship is part of his personal life, and not a major issue in and of itself. The claim that citizenship overshadows his personal life, which has been a subject of frequent media interest throughout his career, is baseless. There's also agreement above that it's already been given too much importance in the lead and perhaps should be cut down per WP:DUE. At this point, everything that is not his film career as an actor, should be put together in one paragraph, just like it's normally done in other actor BLPs, including FAs. Fowler, your attempts to single it out here and make it a single paragraph is obvious - please discuss it and reach consensus instead of edit warring. Shahid • Talk2me 14:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Another point - the claim that citizenship outranks personal life because because of sources is directly shown to be incorrect considering, for one, an entire section on his social activism which does not find any mention in the lead. Shahid • Talk2me 14:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Of course it is not baseless when the parliamentary affairs bureau of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation steps into the controversay:
- Dyer, Evan (Parliamentary Affairs Bureau) (7 March 2020), Canada's politicians have stayed mostly silent about a wave of anti-Muslim violence in India, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) News, retrieved 14 September 2020 Quote: "(Former prime minister Stephen) Harper campaigned in 2011 alongside one of Modi's biggest celebrity backers, Bollywood star Akshay Kumar, who was later given a special grant of Canadian citizenship." That is not personal life. I'm happy to take this to WT:INDIA and ask the knowledgeable people there. Apparently for three years it did not occur to you that anything was the matter with this grouping.
- Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:28, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: Move the discussion down, as for additions re his political views in the lead, as I said, you'll add them only if consensus is reached. Shahid • Talk2me 14:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- But until it is added you don't get to dicker with that paragraph. Please understand that. The issue of privacy itself has been written up in the media.
- Luthra, Rajesh (8 May 2019), "Why Akshay Kumar's national loyalty is no private matter", NewsLaundry, retrieved November 7, 2022,
Mr Akshay Kumar didn't vote. He didn't vote because he chose not to. He chose to give up his Indian citizenship for a Canadian passport. A few years ago, in a video that has since gone viral, he explained that Toronto was his home, and that he'd stay there once he retires from films. After he was confronted with why he didn't cast his vote, Kumar tweeted that his vote was a private matter and not anyone else's business. It is important to note that Mr Kumar, a Canadian citizen, has earlier advised Indian women to use sanitary pads and has also made a movie telling Indians to use toilets. Had Mr Kumar possibly just danced and beat up bad guys at the end of two-hour melodramas (as some of his colleagues limit the agenda to), social media may not have sounded as affected as they did over his citizenship. Had he not interviewed Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on national television during the elections on national and notional issues, a doting audience may not have questioned his politics. Lastly, if Mr Kumar hadn't publicly endorsed Mr Modi's advice to exercise the right to franchise, his fans may not have asked him why he didn't cast his vote.Family matters are best kept within the family. It is the parent who takes it upon himself to spoil or shape the child. Likewise, some matters of the nation are best addressed by the nationals themselves. In India, cinema and cricket run deep and have as much impact. So when it was ascertained that Mr Kumar had forsaken his nationality for the seductive wilderness of Canada, it hurt. In light of that, his right to participate and, further, to preach was debated, questioned and criticised. Your national loyalty became everyone's business, Mr Kumar.
- Luthra, Rajesh (8 May 2019), "Why Akshay Kumar's national loyalty is no private matter", NewsLaundry, retrieved November 7, 2022,
- Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- dicker just means tweak or haggle. It is not tendentious language. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:43, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: I'm afraid it is you who won't be "dickering" with it and pushing your own POV into BLP articles. This does not merit neither such a long paragraph nor a single one, and we'll see what others say. I believe in consensus. Shahid • Talk2me 14:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- I've told you I'll have an RfC at WT:INDIA as it is a part of both Indian politics and Hindi-language movies. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:11, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- But until it is added you don't get to dicker with that paragraph. Please understand that. The issue of privacy itself has been written up in the media.
- @Fowler&fowler: Move the discussion down, as for additions re his political views in the lead, as I said, you'll add them only if consensus is reached. Shahid • Talk2me 14:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Of course it is not baseless when the parliamentary affairs bureau of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation steps into the controversay: