Talk:Allahpur

Link to Bharadwaj Puram?

The article history shows that there is confusion about how Allahpur is linked to Bharadwaj Puram, ie, whether they are two names for the same entity, or whether one is sub-part of the other. See also this discussion on my talk-page. If someone knowledgeable about city can resolve the issue and find reliable sources about the localities, that would be appreciated. Abecedare (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Help with a couple of India articles?

Hello, Abecedare! Might you want to take a look at the articles Bharadwaj Puram and Allahpur? There is a situation there that needs to be handled by someone who knows India. The two articles seem to be about the same place. The article Bharadwaj Puram had been nominated for A10 speedy deletion as a duplicate of Allahpur. I declined speedy deletion, because they are not duplicates, and because although Allahpur is the better and older article, Bharadwaj Puram seems to be a better title for the article. In fact I couldn't figure out where the name "Allahpur" came from, it isn't mentioned in the text. I don't know the area so I can't tell if Allahpur is another name for Bharadwaj Puram, and I could not find Allahpur in a search.

My hunch is that we should delete the article "Bharadwaj Puram" and move the "Allahpur" article to that title. It's also possible that some of the unique information in the Bharadwaj Puram article should be copied into the other article before moving. Or maybe we should keep both articles. Or maybe keep Allahpur and merge/redirect Bharadwaj Puram. I just don't know enough about the situation to do it myself. Do you want to give it a try? Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 15:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

@MelanieN: The Allahpur article was started with Allahapur as the subject; slowly the lead sentence morphed into claiming that it was also known Bharadwaj puram; and, recently an editor simply deleted any reference Allahpur. If I may speculate, there appears to be local rivalry between the Bharadwaj community and Muslim residents over naming rights.

In my search, Allahapur appears to be more common in news articles and in addresses listed in Google books; see

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

and there is some indication that Bharadwaj Puram is a sub-locality of Allahpur (eg, see address listed here or here). Keep in mind though that none of these sources are really talking about Allahpur or Bharadwaj Puram in any detail, and are not really citable in the article itself. In any case, I'd recommend redirecting Bharadwaj Puram to Allahpur and restoring the latter to (say) this version (perhaps with some additional details added from the current Bharadwaj Puram article). If that sounds ok to you, can propose this at Talk:Allahpur and see if any of the interested editors have any objections, or sources to contribute. Abecedare (talk) 18:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks for all the research. Sounds complicated - not to say a potential ethnic minefield. Would you change the lead to say something like "Allahpur (Hindi:अल्लाहपुर), also known as Bharadwaj Puram, is a locality/township of Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, India. " ? We can't very well redirect from Bharadwaj Puram if the target doesn't mention it. Or what would you think about simply restoring the Allahabad article as you suggest, and then leaving the two articles alone - since the relationship between the two names/areas is not clear? --MelanieN (talk) 19:04, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Not comfortable with the "also known as Bharadwaj Puram" bit since I am not certain whether Bharadwaj Puram is an alternate name of, or just a part of, Allahpur. Leaving the Bharadwaj Puram article alone also makes sense (personally I am not a fan of completely unsourced articles, but the wikipedia convention of accepting unsourced geographical articles as long as the location's existence is verifiable is well-established, and don't mean to argue with that here). Will implement this and drop a note at the article talkpage about the above discussion, for future reference. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 19:19, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

With the lack of any verified information, this is probably the best we can do at this point. Thanks, I appreciate your help - I was in over my head on this one! --MelanieN (talk) 20:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Looking at very old maps of India, and this article. It seems that Allahpur is on the site of the oldest part of the habitable city, previously named Allahabad or Ilahabad, Ilahabas and Ilahabad, (Helobas, or Hellobass in the 1600's). Prayagraj is a metropolis developed around it. Broichmore (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)