Talk:Allawah

Requested move 8 April 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. procedural close as a current RFC is happening for naming, if you wish to re-open, leave a message on my talk page, and give me at least 24 hours to respond. link. (non-admin closure) Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 19:43, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Allawah, New South Wales → Allawah
• Ambarvale, New South Wales → Ambarvale
• Arndell Park, New South Wales → Arndell Park
• Avalon Beach, New South Wales → Avalon Beach
• Balgowlah, New South Wales → Balgowlah
• Bankstown Aerodrome, New South Wales → Bankstown AerodromeBankstown Aerodrome
• Barden Ridge, New South Wales → Barden Ridge
• Bardwell Park, New South Wales → Bardwell Park
• Bardwell Valley, New South Wales → Bardwell Valley
• Belrose, New South Wales → BelroseBelrose
• Berala, New South Wales → Berala
• Bexley North, New South Wales → Bexley North
• Bickley Vale, New South Wales → Bickley Vale
• Bilgola Beach, New South Wales → Bilgola Beach
• Bilgola Plateau, New South Wales → Bilgola Plateau
• Blairmount, New South Wales → Blairmount
• Blakehurst, New South Wales → Blakehurst
• Bligh Park, New South Wales → Bligh Park
• Bow Bowing, New South Wales → Bow Bowing

– Unnecessary disambiguation and inline with other towns that don't need disambiguation (such as Mosman or Bankstown). Per WP:NCAUST. New pages already redirect to current page. GMH Melbourne (talk) 06:10, 8 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:24, 15 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. 2pou (talk) 08:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Note to closer: There is an open RfC at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#RfC: The convention for naming Australian place articles regarding the relevant naming conventions. Recommend a procedural close pending the outcome of that discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfadden (talk • contribs) 20:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Cities, alian Wikipedians' notice board, WikiProject Sydney, and WikiProject Australian places have been notified of this discussion. GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Note: one entry, Berowra Waters, New South Wales → Berowra Waters, was removed as already renamed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 17:32, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

• Support per nom. LibStar (talk) 06:36, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose I am constantly as of now coming across stuff that has possibility to be WP:Trainwreck. I agree most of these should be moved, I would recommend removing Belrose as there is already a note for the redirect and doing it separately. I have gotten several article titles on articles on Northern Sydney Suburbs moved like Pennant Hills, Thornleigh, Normanhurst, Warrawee and Pymble are just a few to name and I did them all separately. Is there any reason why we can't do these separately? I will change my vote if Belrose is withdrawn and done separately Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:01, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Servite et contribuere are you aware of another place or target for Belrose? I am not seeing any, nor any close matches come up within wikipedia's search function . The only other article I have any concerns about in this list is Avalon Beach as there are two communities by the same name, both located in Michigan, USA: Avalon Beach, Michigan; Avalon Beach, Monroe County, Michigan. Given both are unincorporated, the targets are redirects to the surrounding townships. I think it's unlikely that either would be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but would support striking Avalon Beach from the RM for separate discussion as well, or withdrawal of the nomination. Dfadden (talk) 07:51, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Dfadden A Person with the surname. Jack Belrose. When there is a pre exisiting redirect note (For other uses or another article) it is probably best to do an RM separately alone Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Personally, I not sure that too many people would confuse Jack Belrose with a suburb called Belrose. However I understand your logic and since you and I have both raised issues for further discussion on separate articles listed in the RM, I will vote Oppose to allow for due process. Dfadden (talk) 08:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject New South Wales has been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 07:21, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Not sure about moving Bankstown Aerodrome, New South Wales to Bankstown Aerodrome. I'm aware that there's nothing else at the proposed target except a redirect. However, it feels a bit against the principle of least astonishment to have an article for a suburb at Bankstown Aerodrome and an article for the airport on it at Bankstown Airport. Tomiĉo (talk) 11:00, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
• Note that I have withdrawn Belrose. GMH Melbourne (talk) 01:47, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

  GMH Melbourne I think you have to delete it totally Servite et contribuere (talk) 06:14, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Apologies for another relist, but I have re-opened the discussion per the request on my talk page: Special:Permalink/1287145661#Non_Admin_Closure_of_Requested_Move_at_Talk:Allawah 2pou (talk) 08:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

• Support per nom except for Avalon Beach, Bankstown Aerodrome and Belrose that should be converted into disambiguation pages for reasons given above. Minxlyn (talk) 03:52, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Section on Antisemitism

Propose removing the section heading Antisemitism on this page.

The Southern Sydney Synagogue is located in Allawah and has been the subject of antisemitic attacks which should be listed and acknowledged.

A full section labelled Antisemitism goes beyond this and is inconsistent with how other suburb pages in Sydney have been edited (e.g. there is no antisemitism section in Newtown or Queens Park despite similar antisemitic attacks in those suburbs). Hanne Thato (talk) 21:30, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 6 August 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:23, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

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• Allawah, New South Wales → Allawah
• Arndell Park, New South Wales → Arndell Park
• Balgowlah, New South Wales → Balgowlah
• Barden Ridge, New South Wales → Barden Ridge
• Bardwell Park, New South Wales → Bardwell Park
• Bardwell Valley, New South Wales → Bardwell Valley
• Berala, New South Wales → Berala
• Bexley North, New South Wales → Bexley North
• Bickley Vale, New South Wales → Bickley Vale
• Bilgola Beach, New South Wales → Bilgola Beach
• Bilgola Plateau, New South Wales → Bilgola Plateau
• Blairmount, New South Wales → Blairmount
• Blakehurst, New South Wales → Blakehurst
• Bligh Park, New South Wales → Bligh Park
• Bow Bowing, New South Wales → Bow Bowing

– Per WP:NCAUST, WP:PTOPIC and WP:CONCISE the disambiguation is not necessary. Targets already redirect to the current pages. TarnishedPath^talk 09:00, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Sydney, WikiProject Australian places, and WikiProject New South Wales have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 09:01, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Oppose The nominated articles have had stable titles for many years (Allawah, New South Wales itself for 19 years). I note the previous RM was closed in light of the RfC concerning WP:NCAUST. Notwithstanding, the arguments presented in the first RM above do not appear to indicate a strong consensus either way. WP:AT states If an article title has been stable for a long time,and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed. Consensus among editors determines if there does exist a good reason to change the title. Considering the apparent stalemate in the RfC discussion, including whether WP:PTOPIC alone is a good reason to change the article names, there is little to suggest this lack of consensus has changed. The stable titles should remain at least for the time being. Dfadden (talk) 10:00, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

The RM above was not closed in accordance with WP:DETCON. If I had been aware of the close at the time, or soon after I would have had the discussion reopened, which the closer indicated they were willing to do. Policy (such as WP:CONCISE) gives us good reason for change. TarnishedPath^talk 10:34, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Also, this is not the same list of proposed moves as the last discussion. specific proposals which editors opposed have been removed. TarnishedPath^talk 10:40, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Comment I also have specific reservations about Allawah as there is an Alawa, Northern Territory, which itself is named for the Alawa people. The pronunciation is the same so there is some potential for confusion. Disambiguation is not strictly necessary, but it does make it easier particular for those who speak English as a second language and seach phonetically. Dfadden (talk) 11:08, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Different spelling. We don't need to maintain disambiguation because of differnet topics with spelling differences. WP:SMALLDETAILS suggests that if readers end up on the wrong page they can be assisted by for example a hatnote. TarnishedPath^talk 21:45, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

• Support per WP:CONCISE and WP:NCAUST. If there is some exception (e.g., for Allawah), that's fine, but I don't see a reason to generally retain longer names that don't follow the established naming convention. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:06, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

• Support - The proposed moves align with WP:CONCISE and WP:NCAUST naming guidelines. I don't even see the concern for Allawah either, so therefore, no need to make and exception. Lf8u2 (talk) 01:32, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Not seeing an issue with Allawah, but could easily be dealt with by a hatnote. Docciemer (talk) 23:31, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.