Talk:Flexity

Should "Bombardier" be removed from all article names pertaining to Flexity trams?

I had a discussion with Joeyconnick in Talk:Flexity Outlook (Toronto streetcar) regarding article names. He suggested that the "Bombardier" name can be removed from all article names pertaining to Flexity trams per WP:CONCISE given that the only non-Bombardier use of Flexity belongs to a single ship, which actually does not have its own article. What do you think? Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 01:32, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Its actually part of the full product name, Bombardier calls them 'the Bombardier Flexity XXX by Bombardier' sometimes capitalising it as 'BOMBARDIER FLEXITY' e.g. see the below links for examples.

https://rail.bombardier.com/en/about-us/worldwide-presence/germany/en.html/bombardier/news/_2020/bt-20200911_bombardier-delivers-first-new-flexity-low-floor-tram/en https://www.railway-technology.com/news/bombardier-receives-approval-from-dusseldorf-for-flexity-trams/ WatcherZero (talk) 09:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

So? There is nothing that requires us to use an official name. WP:CONCISE specifically say not to if there's a clear name that conveys the same info that is more concise. —Joeyconnick (talk) 02:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:CONCISE says to if the name is unambigious, I am not sure simply the word 'Flexity' is, if you look at automobile series they usually include the car manufacturers name. For example If I search the first result is a tech company called Flexity, then a fungicide, a consultancy, then the tram, then a yoga company. On the second page of results only one is tram related. This article itself has a disambiguation from a ship called Flexity. WatcherZero (talk) 10:06, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Maybe this isn't clear—I'm not saying "Bombardier Flexity" (necessarily) has to become "Flexity" (although I would argue that, within Wikipedia, the name is quite unambiguous, so it certainly could be moved there since the ship is "MV Flexity" and that's enough to distinguish it from plain Flexity), but certainly Flexity 2, Flexity Classic, Flexity Outlook, Flexity Freedom, Flexity Swift, and Flexity Link (i.e. the various LRVs from the navbox) are. —Joeyconnick (talk) 22:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Naming edit/move wars

As per the rationale laid out in Talk:Flexity Outlook (Toronto)#shortening most Bombardier vehicle article names, I reverted the recent moves by Gorazghty. Mexheades has restored those. I've asked them to self-revert. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:26, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

All I did was revert it per the WP:BRD. This article has been named Bombardier Flexity for some years, so the onus is on those seeking to make a change to gain a consensus. The discussion above did not result in any consensus being formed. As it stands half the articles in Category:Bombardier Transportation tram vehicles, have the Bombardier prefix, the others don't. Wasn't the case until you renamed some a week or so ago. The manufacturer, model naming convention appears to be the way it is done in other rolling stock articles where there is only one manufacturer, e.g Alstom, Siemens, EMD. Likewise for motor vehicles, the manufacturer, model convention is used, e.g. we have Chevrolet Camaro even though Camaro is the primary topic and redirects. Mexheades (talk) 06:08, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Bombardier Flexity Link

Bombardier Flexity Link is an uncited article, can't find any references to it, suggest merging into Bombardier Flexity article or deleting entirely. Mexheades (talk) 01:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Redirected, given that no unique referenced content at that article. Klbrain (talk) 11:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Resolved

Requested move 29 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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• Alstom Flexity → Flexity
• Flexity → Flexity (disambiguation)

– Convention is that for trams manufactured to be named by just their model, eg the TW 6000 and not manufacturer and model. The Flexity was previously manufactured by Bombardier and is now manufactured by Alstom. The only other member of the Flexity redirect is MV Flexity a one paragraph redirect within List of Empire ships (F), which aside from the disambiguation page has no incoming links. So the trams article is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Ohnsmaits (talk) 03:27, 29 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:24, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose No evidence of such a naming convention (see Alstom Citadis, Hitachi Sirio, Siemens Combino, etc.) No objection to creating a primary redirect and eliminating the dabpage. 162 etc. (talk) 16:54, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. No reason to include the brand name when it's not particularly part of the WP:COMMONNAME for this. And it's also a clear primary topic over the obscure ship.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:38, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. While 162 is correct that there is no such naming convention (and we indeed have a different one for WP:CARNAMES), for trams and trains manufacturer/brand names are often less known or less clearcut (many models are result of cooperations). Here, Flexity is a unique name, and the trams are primary topic for the name (MV Flexity can be linked by a hatnote). See also the related RM at Talk:Bombardier Flexity Swift where I proposed using just "Flexity" for all the article titles of individual models. No such user (talk) 12:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.