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Unless she officially announces her retirement, she is not a "former" actress. There is a reliably sourced sentence reporting her stated plans to continue acting. Don't change without a more recent reliable source to the contrary. Wikipedia is not in the business of predicting the future. Sundayclose (talk) 19:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Unfortunately, a lot of things has happen since March 2021 in which we may need to revisit this topic. As much as she claims that she has plans to return as an active film and television actress, she has done very little since 2010 in this endeavor besides failing to show up for a paid public event as a paid convention speaker. Once she is able to overcome her current problems, she would need to slowly return to public life by taking small jobs that put her in front of the public (which she has yet to start) before any Hollywood producer would be willing to hire her for any future television or film project.
We can't use Wikipedia's voice to say that she is a former actress. We can only report what the reliable sources say. Bynes has never stated publicly that she will no longer act. In fact, she has stated that she wants to return to acting. So Wikipedia itself cannot state that she is a "former" actress. We can report what the reliable sources say, but not in the lead as "former actress". Someone can make a brief edit later in the article and cite these sources (making it very clear that it's not Bynes stating anything). Whether she is a "former" actress is a minor point in the context of the entire article and her entire life, so please no overkill. For that reason, I removed the sentence about return to acting from the lead. It is mentioned later in the article. Sundayclose (talk) 18:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
That is a good suggestion. Even though she is NOT a "former actress" she is definitely not an "active actress" who was only "active" between 1993 and 2010 and she will never be "active" again until someone is willing to take a huge financial risk by offering to hire her again. As an aside, can we consider her to be a "reliable source" for voicing her own future long-term plans (beyond that on what she hopes would happen and which is not the same as what she would be able to implement for whatever reason) since a court of law might be ruling on her sanity very shortly? -- 50.231.49.42 (talk) 19:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
She is a reliable source for what she says, as long as it's reported in a reliable source. We can report it if she states her plans, but we (nor anyone except Bynes) knows what she's thinking. Sundayclose (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Under normal conditions, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, I doubt she knows herself what she wants to do with the rest of her life let alone what she would like to eat at her next meal. For example, 5 short months ago Ms. Bynes posted a video on her official Instagram account that she had enrolled in a cosmetology school with plans to become a trained nail technician instead of returning to acting. Should the article reflect that she had made such a statement? In my opinion, the WP article should not mention this incident since I doubt those plans would ever be implemented until she is able to silence the non-constructive voices in her head. (BTW, the 2019 Good Morning America citation that is used in the WP article to report her graduation from FIDM with her future plans in the fashion industry had also labeled her as a "former actress".) -- 50.231.49.42 (talk) 22:05, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
There is no debate that Bynes is a reliable source for what she says. If the New York Times reports that Bynes said, "I want to return to acting", that is never a matter of dispute. She said the words. Case closed. Whether or not her words are notable enough to report on Wikipedia is a separate issue from what she has said. Whether or not she knows what she's talking about is not within the purview of Wikipedia to determine. We don't decide what her mental state is. The issue here is whether she has stated either that she is retired from acting or stated that she would like to return to acting. She has not stated that she is retired, so we don't report that she is a "former" actress. We can report that reliable sources have described her as a "former actress", but we don't use Wikipedia's voice to state that she is a "former actress" because all we do is report what reliable sources say. She is a reliable source for the words that come out of her mouth. The sources you list above are reliable sources. If the lead states that she is a "former actress", we have gone beyond what Wikipedia can do. All of that being said, this is largely much ado about nothing. The article makes a brief comment that she has said she wants to return to acting (again, it's not debatable that she said those words). If someone wishes there can be an equally brief statement that she has been described by reliable sources as a "former actress". Sundayclose (talk) 01:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Already done Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 01:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
