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Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I remember reading that 'Ghost' is a shortened for of her real last name, does anyone have a more precise answer? --MartinUK 15:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Clean up

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Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

This should get labeled for clean up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thirdtry (talk • contribs) 04:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

There isn't even a birth date? Really? 69.118.215.58 (talk) 03:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

is this a record company sponsored page?

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Latest comment: 2 months ago3 comments3 people in discussion

...the whole thing reads like a free ad...it's nauseating... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.22.99 (talk) 11:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)Reply

Ghost must have written this herself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.74.166.67 (talk) 07:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

This page has employees of Len Blavatnik (who is Ghost's sole financier!) editing the page. Len owns Access and recently stepped down, yet we have C at Access making edits to this page. We also have Lisa Shields editing this page, who very clearly works for access. This is a blatant example of COI and shouldn't be allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.218.100 (talk) 16:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Inconsistency with song names

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Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Some songs are quoted, others are not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.162.122.6 (talk) 18:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Fired?

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Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This article from Yahoo News implies that Ghost was fired following an outburst at an Augustana show? Is my reading correct? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101118/music_nm/us_epic;_ylt=Arwy.Fxnb6BvbsveNhl6aLWVEhkF;_ylu=X3oDMTJlbHVrbGw3BGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMTAxMTE4L3VzX2VwaWMEcG9zAzE5BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA3dob2Rlc3Ryb3llZA-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.52.13.226 (talk) 03:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)Reply

Edit request to improve the Career section

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Latest comment: 1 month ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hi. I work for Amanda Ghost. As a COI editor, I would like to suggest edits which address the issues raised by the maintenance tags at the top of the article. I would like to begin with the first three paragraphs. I hope to deal with the rest of the article in the future.

  • Please change the first paragraph in the Career section to the following, which removes unsourced and possibly promotional content, and adds sources to the rest of the content where there currently are none.
Ghost was born in North London to a Gibraltarian mother and an Indo-Trinidadian father.[1] In 1997, she contributed her version of Gary Numan's "Absolution" to the tribute album Random.[2] Her first recording contract was in 2000 with Warner Bros. Records in Los Angeles, for whom she recorded her first album, Ghost Stories.[3] Ghost's second album, Blood on the Line, was released in 2008[4] on her own record label, Plan A Records.[3]
  • Please replace the second paragraph with the following, which removes unsourced content, adds sources, and adds a bit of new content with sources.
Ghost co-wrote "Beautiful Liar" for Beyoncé and Shakira,[5][6] and Jordin Sparks' second single "Tattoo" plus James Blunt's "You're Beautiful".[7][8] She co-wrote three songs for Beyoncé's third album, I Am... Sasha Fierce.[9] She also collaborated with John Legend on the lyrics for the track "Getting Nowhere" by Magnetic Man.[5]
  • Please add two sources to the third paragraph and remove "to start his own company" which is irrelevant to Ghost:
On 3 February 2009, Ghost was named the new president of Epic Records.[8] She replaced Charlie Walk, who left at the end of 2008.[7]

References

  1. ^ Hunter-Tilney, Ludovic (4 July 2022). "Music executive Amanda Ghost: she's the boss — and no mistake". Financial Times. Retrieved 7 October 2024. (subscription required)
  2. ^ "Random: A Tribute to Gary Numan". Musicbrainz.org. Retrieved 7 October 2024.
  3. ^ a b Berman, Keith (3 February 2009). "Amanda Ghost named new Epic president". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved 7 October 2024.
  4. ^ "Amanda Ghost-Blood on the Line". Discogs.com. Retrieved 7 October 2024.
  5. ^ a b Batey, Angus (24 February 2011). "Amanda Ghost: not in Kansas any more". The Guardian. Retrieved 7 October 2024. Cite error: The named reference "Kansas" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  6. ^ Tingen, Paul (May 2010). "The Stargate Writing & Production Team". Web.archive.org. Retrieved 7 October 2024.
  7. ^ a b Gallo, Phil (3 February 2009). "Amanda Ghost to head Epic". Variety. Retrieved 7 October 2024. Cite error: The named reference "Head Epic" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  8. ^ a b Michaels, Sean (4 February 2009). "Singer-songwriter to run Epic Records". The Guardian. Retrieved 7 October 2024.
  9. ^ Zimmerman, Kevin (13 May 2009). "Amanda Ghost Takes Creative Control". Bmi.com. Retrieved 7 October 2024.

Thank you for your help, Londonhyrax (talk) 11:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I am slowly working my way through these proposed edits, making alterations as I go. Please bear with me in the interim; although I am open to legitimate offers of assistance from elsewhere ! Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
The amended text (as is shown above) has now been edited in to the main article, to replace largely unreferenced wording. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Additional edit request to improve the Career section

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Latest comment: 23 days ago7 comments2 people in discussion

Hello again. Thank you so much Derek R Bullamore for implementing the edit request and for taking the time to look through my suggestions to make everything as correct as possible. I really appreciate it. As you said, the second half of the article also needs some work, so here are my proposed edits for the last few paragraphs of the Career section:

  • Please replace the fourth paragraph of the Career section with the following, which removes unsourced content and adds sources whenever possible:
Ghost also collaborated on the songs "For the Glory" and "Vanity Kills" by Ian Brown, (which appeared on Brown's album My Way) and which she co-wrote with Ian and Dave McCracken.[1][2] She also co-wrote and co-produced the Shakira single "Gypsy", from the album She Wolf.[3][4]
  • Please replace the fifth paragraph of the Career section with the following, which adds sources and takes out promotional or unsourced content:
Ghost was fired from her position as president of Epic Records in 2010 after 20 months, following reports of erratic behavior, including a public outburst at a label showcase. Described by some as "a real loose cannon," her management style and controversial decisions were cited as reasons for her dismissal.[5] That same year, she established Outsiders, a joint venture with Sony Music.[6][7] She has collaborated with Florence and the Machine,[8] Mark Ronson,[9] and A$AP Rocky.[10][11]
  • Please replace the sixth (and last) paragraph of the Career section with the following, adding sources and removing unsourced content:
Ghost is a three-time Ivor Novello Award winner,[6] a Golden Globe nominee,[12] and has been nominated for two Grammy Awards; as co-producer of two tracks on Beyoncé's album, I Am... Sasha Fierce, which was nominated as Album of the Year, and the other for "Once in a Lifetime", which she co-wrote with Scott McFarnon, Ian Dench, Jody Street, James Dring and Beyoncé. The song was the part of the soundtrack from Beyoncé's film, Cadillac Records and was nominated for Best Song Written for a Motion Picture, also in 2010.[13]

References

  1. ^ "Vanity Kills by Ian Brown". Songfacts.com. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  2. ^ "Ian Brown-My Way". Discogs.com. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  3. ^ Hunter-Tilney, Ludovic (4 July 2022). "Music executive Amanda Ghost: she's the boss — and no mistake". Financial Times. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  4. ^ Moon, Tom (23 November 2009). "Shakira: Just Following The Pack?". Npr.org. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  5. ^ Halperin, Shirley (2010-11-18). "Who Destroyed Epic Records?". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  6. ^ a b Batey, Angus (24 February 2011). "Amanda Ghost: not in Kansas any more". The Guardian. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  7. ^ Morris, Chris (27 October 2010). "Epic prexy Amanda Ghost ankles". Variety. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  8. ^ "Ousted Epic Records President Amanda Ghost Now Working With Florence and the Machine". The Hollywood Reporter. 23 February 2011. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  9. ^ "Amanda Ghost". Reversalofthemuse.com. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  10. ^ Ahmad, Baseer. "[Hip-Hop] A$AP Rocky – I Come Apart (Feat. Florence Welch) (Prod. By Emile Haynie & Amanda Ghost)". Themusicninja.com. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  11. ^ "A$AP Rocky featuring Florence Welch – I Come Apart". Hypebeast.com. 10 January 2013. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  12. ^ Sciretta, Peter (11 January 2009). "2009 Golden Globe Award Winners". Slashfilm.com. Retrieved 8 October 2024.
  13. ^ "Grammy Awards: List of Winners". The New York Times. 31 January 2010. Retrieved 8 October 2024.

Thanks again for your help, Londonhyrax (talk) 11:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

The above has now been placed in her article, replacing some unsourced wording from before. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Derek R Bullamore:Thanks so much for all your work on this, and for taking down the 'citations needed' maintenance tag. I see that you placed a similar tag above the "Songwriting credits" section, which I hope to work on sometime in the future. One of my other goals for this article was to improve the content to attain Wikipedia's standard of NPOV, and have the COI maintenance tag also removed, according to the guidelines found here. If you think there are still sections of this article that are not written in a neutral way, please point those places out to me and I will attempt to fix them and send you another edit request based on your suggestions, or just make whatever edits you think are needed to get the article up to the correct standard of NPOV, and remove the tag. Again, thanks so much for all your help. Londonhyrax (talk) 11:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I feel, and this is my own position and not necessarily an overriding Wikipedia view, that a WP:NPOV situation is now achieved. However, I think the COI tag should remain until the rest of the referencing (needed only in the songwriting credits section) is resolved, and then it and the 'citations needed' tags can both be removed. I would ask you not to try to edit this article yourself, in view of your COI situation, but better deal with any amendments in the same manner as has happened recently. I must stress I have not taken over 'ownership' of this article and that I am more than happy for other editors to be involved. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Over to you, Londonhyrax, things seem to have gone well to date. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi Derek R Bullamore, as per your suggestion, I found and added at least one source for each entry on the "Songwriting credits" table. The edited table with a new column for the sources is below, and can be copied and pasted to replace the current table that has no sources. Thanks again for all your help. Londonhyrax (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Updated Table With Sources

Songwriting credits

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Title Year Artist(s) Album Written with Sources
"You're Beautiful" 2004 James Blunt Back to Bedlam James Blunt, Sacha Skarbek [1][2][3][4]
"Billy" James Blunt, Sacha Skarbek [5]
"Beautiful Liar"
(with Shakira) 		2006 Beyoncé B'Day Beyoncé, Stargate, Ian Dench [4][6][7]
"Flashback" All Saints Studio 1 Natalie Appleton, Liam Howlett, Ian Dench [8]
"Tattoo" 2007 Jordin Sparks Jordin Sparks Stargate, Ian Dench [6]
"Freeze" Jordin Sparks, Stargate, Ian Dench [9]
"Virginia Is for Lovers" Jordin Sparks, Stargate, Ian Dench [10]
"Disappear" 2008 Beyoncé I Am... Sasha Fierce Beyoncé, Hugo, Dave McCracken, Ian Dench [4][11]
"Ave Maria" Beyoncé, Ian Dench, Makeba Riddick, Stargate [12][13][4]
"Satellites" Beyoncé, Dave McCracken, Ian Dench [4][14]
"Once In a Lifetime" Cadillac Records: Music from the Motion Picture Beyoncé, Ian Dench, Scott McFarnon, James Dring, Jody Street [4][15][16]


"Red" 2009 Daniel Merriweather Love & War Ian Dench, Scott McFarnon [16]
"Gypsy" Shakira She Wolf Shakira, Ian Dench, Carl Sturken and Evan Rogers [16]
"Give It Up to Me"
(featuring Lil Wayne) 		Shakira, Lil Wayne, Timbaland, J-Roc [17]
"Fresh Out the Oven"
(featuring Pitbull) 		Jennifer Lopez Non-album single Jennifer Lopez, Pitbull, Pharrell Williams [18]
"Getting Nowhere"
(featuring John Legend) 		2010 Magnetic Man Magnetic Man John Legend, Skream, Benga, Artwork [16][4]
"Untouchable" 2011 Ben Saunders You Thought You Knew Me By Now Daniel Merriweather [19]
"Bedroom Hymns" Florence and the Machine Ceremonials Florence Welch [20]
"Old Tyme Religion" Hugo Old Tyme Religion Hugo, Ian Dench, Johnny Flynn [16]
"Born" Hugo, Ian Dench, Dave McCracken [16]
"Mekong River Delta" Hugo, Ian Dench, Dave McCracken [16]
"Sweetest Cure" Hugo, Ian Dench, Peter Ibsen [16]
"Different Lives" Hugo, Dave McCracken [16]
"Wake Alone" Hugo, Darren Lewis, Ian Dench, Tunde Babalola [16]
"Sunburn" 2012 K.Flay Eyes Shut K.Flay, Dave McCracken [21]
"Only the Horses" Scissor Sisters Magic Hour Jake Shears, Babydaddy, Boys Noize [16]
"Wasted" 2013 Tony Lucca With the Whole World Watching Tony Lucca, Eric Rosse, Ian Dench, Scott McFarnon [22]
"I Come Apart"
(featuring Florence Welch) 		ASAP Rocky Long. Live. ASAP ASAP Rocky, Florence Welch, Emile Haynie, John Legend [16]
"Endorphins"
(featuring Alex Clare) 		Sub Focus Torus Sub Focus, Ian Dench, Takura [16]
"Tidal Wave"
(featuring Alpines) 		Sub Focus, Alpines [16]
"Astronaut" Joel Compass Astronaut Joel Compass, Ian Dench, Styalz Fuego, The Aston Shuffle [23]
"The Conversation" Texas The Conversation Sharleen Spiteri, Johnny McElhone, Karen Overton, Ian Dench [16]
"Break the Fall" 2014 Laura Welsh Laura Welsh Laura Welsh, Babydaddy [24]
"Undiscovered" 2015 Fifty Shades of Grey Laura Welsh, Emile Haynie, Dev Hynes [25]
"Soft Control" Soft Control Laura Welsh, Liam Howe [26]
"God Keeps" Laura Welsh, Emile Haynie, Babydaddy [27]
"Cold Front" Laura Welsh, Robin Hannibal [28]
"Breathe Me In" Laura Welsh, Robin Hannibal [24]
"Hollow Drum" Laura Welsh, Ian Dench [27]
"Jackson" Elle King Love Stuff Elle King, Dave McCracken, Felipe Aparicio [29]
"Whole" 2016 Lion Babe Begin Lion Babe, Joel Compass [30]
"Impossible" Lion Babe, Linden Jay, Lewis Jankel, Fred Cox [30]
"Forever" 2017 Jamie Cullum The Halcyon (Original Music from the Television Series) Jamie Cullum, Ian Dench, Joel Compass [27]
"Invincible" Jamie Cullum, Ian Dench, Joel Compass [27]
"Fires and Flames" 2018 Tinashe Joyride Tinashe, Kate Stewart, Joel Compass [31]
"The One" Jorja Smith Lost & Found Jorja Smith, Joel Compass, Ed Thomas, Kito [32]
"Measure of a Man"
(featuring Central Cee) 		2021 FKA Twigs The King's Man FKA Twigs, Dominic Lewis, Matthew Margeson, Jamie Hartman, Jane Goldman, John Hill, Matthew Vaughn [33][34]
"Papi Bones"
(featuring Shygirl) 		2022 Caprisongs FKA Twigs, Shygirl, El Guincho, Fakeguido, Jonny Coffer [35][36]

References

  1. ^ Simpson, Dave; Simpson, Interviews by Dave (2020-01-14). "James Blunt: how we made You're Beautiful". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077.
  2. ^ "James Blunt - Back to Bedlam". Discogs.com.
  3. ^ "Beyoncé: dream girl". The Daily Telegraph. 2008-11-08.
  4. ^ a b c d e f g "Amanda Ghost". Aaminc.com.
  5. ^ "Song: Billy written by James Blunt, Sacha Skarbek, Amanda Ghost | SecondHandSongs". Secondhandsongs.com.
  6. ^ a b "Amanda Ghost • Top Songs as Writer • Music VF, US & UK hits charts". Musicvf.com.
  7. ^ "Beautiful Liar". Beyoncepedia.fandom.com.
  8. ^ "All Saints – Flashback". Genius.com.
  9. ^ "Jordin Sparks – Freeze". Genius.com.
  10. ^ "Jordin Sparks – Virginia is for Lovers". Genius.com.
  11. ^ "Beyoncé – Disappear". Genius.com.
  12. ^ "Beyoncé: dream girl". The Daily Telegraph. 2008-11-08.
  13. ^ "About: Ave Maria (Beyoncé song)". Dbpedia.org.
  14. ^ "Beyoncé – Satellites". Genius.com.
  15. ^ "Beyoncé – Once In a Lifetime". Genius.com.
  16. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o "Amanda Ghost". Ultratop.airplay.ch.
  17. ^ "Who wrote "Give It Up to Me" by Shakira?". Genius.com.
  18. ^ "BMI | Repertoire Search". Archive.md. 2013-01-18.
  19. ^ "Ben Saunders - Untouchable lyrics". Musixmatch.com.
  20. ^ "ACE Repertory". Ascap.com.
  21. ^ "ACE Repertory". Ascap.com.
  22. ^ "With the Whole World Watching - Tony Lucca | R..." AllMusic.
  23. ^ "Astronaut - Joel Compass | Album". AllMusic.
  24. ^ a b "ACE Repertory". Ascap.com.
  25. ^ "Song Details - Undiscovered". Umusicpub.com.
  26. ^ "ACE Repertory". Ascap.com.
  27. ^ a b c d "ACE Repertory". Ascap.com.
  28. ^ Lorraine (2014-11-20). "Laura Welsh Announces Debut Album 'Soft Control'". Charmfactory.co.uk.
  29. ^ "Love Stuff - Elle King | Album". AllMusic.
  30. ^ a b "Begin - Lion Babe | Album". AllMusic.
  31. ^ "Fires And Flames". Albumoftheyear.org.
  32. ^ "Jorja Smith – The One". Genius.com.
  33. ^ Strauss, Matthew (2021-11-18). "Listen to FKA twigs and Central Cee's New Song "Measure of a Man"". Pitchfork.com.
  34. ^ Goggins, Joe (2021-11-19). "FKA twigs releases Central Cee collaboration from 'The King's Man' soundtrack". Rollingstone.co.uk.
  35. ^ "Papi Bones". Albumoftheyear.org.
  36. ^ "The Nuance Magazine". Thenuancemagazine.com. 2022-06-21.
Excellent. I have replaced the existing 'Songwriting credits' with a brushed up version of what you originally pasted above (thank you), and have removed the existing tags. All looks fine to me, but beware the 'We usually find something wrong in Paradise' police, who may arrive at any minute. Well done for all your efforts. For sure, the whole article is in a far, far better shape now than it was a few weeks ago. Regards. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Derek R Bullamore, thank you so much for all your work on this page! I will probably ask for a few more edits in the near future, but I wholeheartedly agree that it is in much better shape now, especially considering where we started a few weeks ago. Londonhyrax (talk) 14:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Career section

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Latest comment: 10 days ago5 comments2 people in discussion

Hi. I would like to suggest an edit to the Career section. In the fifth paragraph that begins: "Ghost was fired from her position…" please change the first sentence to simply:

In October 2010, Ghost was fired from her position as president of Epic Records after less than two years.[1]

Please remove the rest of the sentence and the following sentence, as follows:

...following reports of erratic behavior, including a public outburst at a label showcase. Described by some as "a real loose cannon," her management style and controversial decisions were cited as reasons for her dismissal.

The Hollywood Reporter merely speculates as to the reasons for Ghost's dismissal and does not state them as fact, so the current language in the article ("...decisions were cited as reasons for her dismissal") is incorrect.

References

  1. ^ Hunter-Tilney, Ludovic (4 July 2022). "Music executive Amanda Ghost: she's the boss — and no mistake". Financial Times.

Perhaps Derek R Bullamore will take a look at this following his previous work on the page. Thanks for your time. Londonhyrax (talk) 14:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I can not read the Financial Times article, as I will not pay the subscriptions that many newspapers demand. However, as you point out, the Hollywood Reporter at best quotes a 'source' rather than anything concrete, and does not go anywhere near that existing wording in the article. So, without any tangible citation, I am happy to oblige and remove the rest of the sentence as described above. Sadly, some Wikipedia editors do not understand WP:V or WP:BLP, and post what they personally 'feel'. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:39, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you so much Derek R Bullamore for your quick editing. I see that now the first line of the fifth paragraph in the Career section has no source. If I supply the quote from the Financial Times article which supports that first sentence, would you consider adding the source? Here is the source again: https://www.ft.com/content/016c55ae-5e9f-44ff-8c8e-b5a164253c95 and here is the quote from the source: "In 2009, the Londoner was picked as a left-field choice to lead Epic Records in Los Angeles, a division of Sony Music. Her stint as president was a rocky experience, lasting less than two years. The US record exec suits reacted badly to the Limey talent who had been catapulted into their midst. She left in 2010 amid gossipy accusations…"
Thanks again, Londonhyrax (talk) 15:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
In which case, I will assume good faith and have added the reference accordingly. Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you so much Derek R Bullamore for your quick and positive response. You are making this process a pleasure. Londonhyrax (talk) 09:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
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