Talk:Amsterdam Airport Schiphol/Archive 1

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The fifth runway is now open, no? -- Viajero 23:34 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)~ The fifth is open. -- Thijs 24 Apr 2005

The article says: 'Schiphol aims to be a European mainport'. But is it not: 'to be an European' ? -- Thijs 24 Apr 2005

No, the pronunciation of European starts with a consonant.--Patrick 23:58, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Smaller airports

I've changed "smaller, nearby airports" to just "smaller airports", as Groningen, Eindhoven and Maastricht are nowhere near Amsterdam/Schiphol. 80.126.65.34 14:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Europe's finest

-Considered to be Europe's finest airport— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.48.45 (talk) 20:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

- I thought that was Copenhagen? Also, are those railway route tables really necessary?

We can also split off the railway info to a separate article.--Patrick 02:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Done.--Patrick 12:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Madrid Barajas

Madrid Barajas Airport Surpass Amsterdam Schiphol Airport as 4th busiest airport in Europe

Madrid Barajas Airport MAD become 4rd busiest airport in Europe surpassing Schiphol Amsterdam airport , even before new T4 opened.

January 2006

MAD Barajas 3, 124,219 +8.5 %

AMS Schiphol 3, 031,700 +2.3%

MAD figures : http://www.aena.es/csee/ccurl/Estadis%20enero%2006.pdf AMS figures : http://www.schipholgroup.com/ Press Release of 13-02

In around 3 years it's expected MAD will surpass FRA frankfurt airport as 3rd busiest , once the new capacity suplyed by MAD T4 enters into full use.

in the 2005 ICOA numbers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic#2005_final_statistics Schiphol is still leading Barajas. The story mentions 2004 as year of comparison explicitly. (It would be good to mention Barajas as one of Schiphol main competitors.)

213.84.14.16 16:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC) MathFox

I don't think they're real competitors as they're not anywhere near each other. BabyNuke 18:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How is it pronounced? Grouse 07:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[sxɪphɔl] I think I got all the right symbols here. The i should be as in "Chicken". Lokimaros 14:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

bmibaby - costs

The page mentions a couple of low-cost airlines saying "bmibaby (with costs steadily rising with this company)". What is the relevance of this addition to bmibaby? Is someone angry because he feels he paid to much when flying with this airline? Or should this remark suggest that bmibaby might be moving to another part of the airport soon? Marcvangend 21:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Schiphol catches priest with cocaine

Not article-worthy, but it's sufficiently funny that I thought I'd share: Schiphol betrapt priester met coke. For the first time at Schiphol, a priest has been caught smuggling cocaine. Under his soutane, the cleric from Bolivia had taped three kilo cocaine to his legs. The priest claimed the bags contained holy sand. Shinobu (talk) 20:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Turkish Airlines Crash

Reports on Sky News and BBC News about a crash at the airport. SkyNews —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.180.215 (talk) 10:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Destinations by Region

Did not want to start an edit war. Should this section go or remain on here. It was discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports#Destinations_by_Region but i don't think a consensus was reached. Charmedaddict (talk) 18:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure a consensus was reached; not a single person was in favour of retaining it for various reasons! Jasepl (talk) 18:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I started to remove it but it keeps getting reverted. Charmedaddict (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It's gone for the moment, and it looks like different people kept restoring it. In the future if someone reverts the removal, you might also want to post a note on their talk page directing them to the WikiProject Airports discussion. -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 22:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Lowest airport in the world

As an American, who is not very familiar with Holland's system of dykes, I am quite curious about the sustainability of an airport that is below sea-level in an era of global warming. It also surprises me that there is a train station underneath.

What is the cost of making sure that this major multimodal transport hub is not flooded?

Sam 13:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Sam

It is no problem, because most of the West of the Netherlands is protected by natural high dunes which are more than 20 meters above sea level. There are no dykes either because it is not necessary. The weak spots are Zeeland (South-West), the top of North Holland (smaller dunes), the northern provinces (however that's a shallow sea), and the major rivers (Rotterdam).

The Holland (West) side can easily be sustained even if the sea level raises by 20 meters and only requires some vegetation to prevent the dunes from eroding awayy. In case of Schiphol, the only problem is that it is a former lake, so the ground water needs to be pumped away, but the chance of even the train tunnel - which is about 10 meters below the sea level - drowning is close to zero. The same applies to Amsterdam which never experienced a flood despite being below sea level and will probably never experience it either. KittenKlub 10:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

As a Dutchman, I'm always a bit surprised by this kind of question. ;)

There are of course no separate measures needed for keeping the airport dry, the country is protected against flooding as a whole, by a complex segmented system of dykes and pumps (originally windmills) that was developed over several centuries. Cities, industries, roads and airports (with or without railway stations underneath) all benefit from it at no additional cost. The cost of the national system is of course huge (we pay waterschapsheffing - call it "dry feet tax"), but it is also an important economic activity from which we all benefit (people have jobs sustaining the system and spend the money they make, re-injecting it in the economy). Also note that the situation is not as unique as people think. Think of New Orleans - nobody considers giving up Louis Armstrong Airport.

As for the global warming you mention: since 2008 we have a program in place that accounts for 130 cm (4.5 feet) sea level rise over the next 100 years. Basically a matter of increasing dyke height and pump capacity.

Come and have a look for yourself if you're still wondering. Bring a wetsuit and a zodiac if it makes you feel secure, and find out that you'll take them home unused. Unless you decide to splash around a bit for fun of course. ;) Jaho (talk) 20:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

ship hole or ship hell?

The article on Haarlemmermeer translates Schiphol as 'ship hole', whilst this article translates it as 'ship hell'. Perhaps someone fluent in Old Dutch might care to clarify? Kaini 12:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL! Well it's such a mess nowadays with so many flights and so little ground services it might as well be ship-hell... Butt... in old dutch the "hol" in "Holland" refers to the hollow or low land nature. Considering that Schiphol is in fact located in a depression, well below sea level, this is probably the origin of the name.

Noserider 13:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

"Hol" in Holland meaning hollow is a misconception. It stands for holt: wood. The dutch page of schiphol has three possible answers for the origins of the name, but none of them referring to wood (which is also much older than Schiphol).Joost 99 (talk) 10:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm Dutch. I would translate Dutch hol into English hole (or cavity), and definitely not as hell. As for theories about the name Schiphol, I know at least five that are going around, but I'm afraid there won't be a definitive answer. The article mentions Fort Schiphol, but that doesn't clarify anything, although of course the name of the fortification has the same origin as the name of the airport. Perhaps mention of Fort Schiphol should be removed, it's irrelevant. Jaho (talk) 20:15, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Surinam Airways accident

Hi, just a quick question. Should Surinam Airways Flight 764 be added as it was a flight from Amsterdam that crashed on approach to Paramaribo, Suriname? The flight originated from Amsterdam with no stops, so therefor I believe it should be added. Thanks! Zaps93 (talk) 22:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't think so. The (probable) cause of the crash is unrelated to the originating airport. Jaho (talk) 20:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

waysigning by Mijksenaar

I think one of the reasons why Schiphol Airport has won so many awards, is the excellent waysigning system designed by the 'wayfinding expert' Paul Mijksenaar. After designing the signs for Schiphol, he got to do the signs for New York (La Guardia, JFK and Newark), Washington (Dulles), Abu Dhabi, Athens and the San Francisco subway. Mijksenaars own website can be found at www.mijksenaar.com. I think this info could be added to the article. Marcvangend 22:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't agree. We don't mention the airport's energy provider or cleaning company either. Perhaps you like the waysigns, personally I like the toilets. They're numerous, spacious, clean and free of charge. But it's all a matter of opinion. Jaho (talk) 20:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Location: Haarlemmermeer

I've hopefully started a discussion at Talk:Haarlemmermeer#Location:_Haarlemmermeer about the location indicated. Any input most welcome. Classical geographer (talk) 08:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

20 minutes?

The article says that the airport is located 20 minutes southwest of Amsterdam. 20 minutes of what? By plane, on foot, by car? I think the statement of those '20 minutes' is inappropriate, due to ambiguity. Loqu (talk) 15:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

- I agree. And the second option given are nautical miles. Where is the point? Shouldn't it be given in kilometers? Sebastian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.71.100.79 (talk) 20:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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Pier usage

Does anybody know which Piers are used by the following airlines (in the table, the pier columns are stated as ???):
Amsterdam Airlines, BH Air, MAT Airways, Sky Work Airlines, Sunwing Airlines
If you do know, please put the correct Pier letter in the right position in the table. 213.148.252.228 (talk) 15:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

London Southend Airport

Has any of the warring parties ever looked at London Southend Airport? Although it is far away from London, it is still considered to be serving London. If London Southend Airport is not a London Airport, you better also scratch Stansted as such

For flights between Southend and Schiphol, see London Southend Airport#Airlines and destinations. All flights by EasyJet start in April or May. Night of the Big Wind _talk 06:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

New numbers

According to this Dutch website, Schiphol had 49.8 million passengers in 2011 (10+% more than 2010): http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL/Article.cms/Airports/Schiphol_met_bijna_vijftig_miljoen_passagiers_weer_nummer_vier_Europa Schiphol has surpassed Madrid-Barajas (again) as the number 4 airport in Europe. Because the page is protected for editing, I can't change these figures, until the (stupid) protection has been cancelled. 87.209.94.78 (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request from Snoozlepet on 10 January 2012

EasyJet to London-Southend: date should be "[begins 2 April 2012]" not "[ends 2 April 2012]". Snoozlepet (talk) 06:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done - [1] - incidentally, the article is not protected now - protection expired Begoon ^talk 01:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 January 2012

I'd like to change this paragraph at the Schiphol-page:

In summer 2010, the world's first permanent airport library opened alongside the museum, providing passengers access to a collection of 1,200 books (translated into 29 languages) by Dutch authors or on subjects relating to the country's history and culture. The 968-square-foot (89.9 m2) library offers e-books and music by Dutch artists and composers that can be downloaded free of charge to a laptop or mobile device.[13]

change into this text: In summer 2010, the world's first permanent airport library opened alongside the museum, providing passengers access to a collection of 1,200 books (translated into about 30 languages) by Dutch authors or on subjects relating to the country's culture and history. The 968-square-foot (89.9 m2) library also offers videos on Dutch culture, music by Dutch artists and composers and digital expositions by Dutch photographers and illustrators.[13]

83.81.74.101 (talk) 11:21, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Page is no longer protected. You should be able to make the edit yourself now. Anomie⚔ 21:59, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Gate D-59

The article currently says, in the third paragraph under the heading Airlines and destinations, “Schengen gates are numbered D-59 and up, non-Schengen gates are numbered from D-1 to D-59.” That must be erroneous since it suggests that gate D-59 serves both Schengen and non-Schengen destinations. --Mathew5000 (talk) 18:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

That could be true, depending which way you look at it. On the D-pier there are a number of airbridges that are used by both schengen and non-schengen flights. On the top level you find the Schengen gates, and on the lower level you find the non-schengen gates. A door can connect the airbridge with the Schengen or the non-Schengen gate. The non-Schengen and corresponding Schengen gate can therefore not be used at the same time

The first Schengen gate is D60, with the non-Schengen being D02. On airside, you would only see 'D02' As that is the physical gate where the aircraft parks.

Here's a sum-up of the non-schengen(physical gate)/Schengen gate: D2/D60, D3/D61, D4/D62, D5/D63, D8/D64, D7/D65, D10/D66, D12/D68, D41/D71, D43/D73, D44/D74, D46/D76, D47/D77, D48/D78, D49/D79, D51/D81, D52/D82, D53/D83, D54/D84, D55/D85, D56/D86, D57/D87.

D6 is a non-schengen bus gate. D42(non-schengen)/D72(Schengen) is also a bus gate. (Overview Gates - Blue = Schengen, Red = non-Schengen) Harbosma (talk) 15:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

No Security Checks?

I have noticed that you can get through to some gates without going through a security check. I was departing from gate D27 but I didn't have to go through any security check until I was nearly at the end of the pier. The only flights departing after the security checks were to the UK and Ireland. Do passengers travelling to other destinations not have to go through security checks? I though that this was compulsory at all EU airports. This is something which is very unusual and should be added to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.95.31 (talk) 16:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

The statement that you make here is not true, at Schiphol airport everybody needs to pass the security check. Schiphol is a so called "contaminated" airport in which, for the non-Schengen area, no central security is carried out. Instead, to guarantee the security of the aviation, security checks are carried out at each gate (at piers D (first floor; except the filter starting at D21), E, F and G) individually. So yes, all passengers have to pass security check. HayoJB (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Top 20

Stop reverting the new 2012 figures for the Top 20 destinations. Read the source (pdf file) coming from the official schiphol airport website. These are the 2012 figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.27.216.122 (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

New picture

Hi guys. I just got a new photo onto the descritption page, but the size isn't coming out right, could someone please help? Thanks. World Traveller101 21:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Done. The diff revealed that you missed the thumb option. —Alex (ASHill | talk | contribs) 22:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Haha. I forgot. Thanks, Alex. World Traveller101 23:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Help me out here, guys

Is there anyone that is interested in helping me make Schiphol a B-class article. We probably need 10-15 more citations that prove things and will not wound up having tags. Who's in? Thanks guys. WorldTraveller101^BreaksFixes 13:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

Should MH17 crash be included in the "incident and accidents" section? I know the plane took off from Amsterdam for Kuala Lumpur but the plane crashed nowhere near the airport (it actually crashed in Ukraine). Also, the entry is unsourced as well. 68.119.73.36 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:43, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I have removed it as we only list incidents and accidents at or close to the airport. MilborneOne (talk) 18:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

And I second what MilborneOne says above. MH17 doesn't belong in this article....William 17:09, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Removed once again ([2]).--Jetstreamer ^Talk 17:16, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Removed for the third time from I2Z014's edit. Pinas Central (talk) 07:41, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Can a admin please fully protect this page? 68.119.73.36 (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Delta AMS Hub

Is there really a need to put 10th hubs and 15th hubs in the hubs section for airport articles. Me and a IP user have had a dissagreement about it RMS52 (talk) 06:47, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Dear IP, what are your arguments to state it here?

Dear RMS52, what are your arguments not to state it here?

The Banner talk 10:36, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, The Banner. I am unaware of editors adding 1st/Secondary hubs for airlines and airports. I was never aware of this before. RMS52 (talk) 11:56, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

I am not asking if you were aware or not, I am asking for arguments. The Banner talk 12:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Well I just think that the word 'hub' is confusing for 'headquarters' but when I first started a user told me that hub meant headquarters but with all these people telling me I am wrong but giving no source I shall just look at WP:AIRPORTS and see what the current agreement is. RMS52 (talk) 14:46, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

You might want to read Airline hub to get a better sense and Delta lists AMS as a hub as per http://news.delta.com/corporate-stats-and-facts. 97.85.113.113 (talk) 07:00, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hub vs Base

In regards to the recent edit of RMS52, I think the way the word hub and base are used in this article in both the intro and the infobox should be handled more consistently. Arke, Transavia and Corendon don't really use a hub-and-spoke model, so I don't think for them, Amsterdam is a base, not a hub. Martinair is a freight operator. Delta is a grey area. What do people here think? BabyNuke (talk) 21:46, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

MAD / AMS / Frankfurt

MAD may be growing faster than AMS and may even surpass Frankfurt, it is very important though to note that almost 100% of AMS's traffic is international and 35% intercontinental, and FRA has the highest number of international destinations, quite unlike MAD, the Madrid-Barcelona line only, occupies 5 million passengers annually, and a huge percentage are just national flights. Madrid may have an increased number of passengers, it still has a very long way to go to reach an international position like such long established airports. The fact that this year it was the poorest functioning airport of Europe (even behind Lisbon and Athens).... says enough, and Madrid can't absolutely be taken serious yet as a competitor on this level. In terms of business travellers Amsterdam has won the prize as best international airport in the world for more than 20 years, and in the eighties and nineties won the prize as best airport in the world (in general) eight times. In the USA and in the UK it is widely known as Europe's best airport. I cannot judge about Copenhagen, although I suppose it is highly efficient, I really don't think it operates on the same level either as this airport (or CDG, LHR, FRA for that matter).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.77.143.2 (talk • contribs) October 31, 2006.

About the name "Schiphol"

The airport is located in the NE corner of the former Haarlemmermeer (a lake), and so with SW storms, a frequent occurence in the Netherlands, ships in trouble would be blown to the NE corner, to encounter further trouble by the shore. Hence "Ship(s) hell". Lokimaros 15:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a source? If so, I'd say: add the information to the article. Marcvangend 22:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

According to the (Dutch) FAQ on the official Schiphol site, there are more theories about the name. The most popular is the one described above, although "hol" is not hell, but an old Dutch word for grave. There are also historical more likely explanations: "hol" means "haal" a old way to transport ships. And that "hol" is hollow because it is low, like in Holland. [3]

There is a lot of scientific research known and also online accessible about the naming of Schiphol. The story about the ship wracks in the corner of the lake is a fable, for the fact alone that the name for the place already existed in mediavel times when the Haarlemmerlake was't as big as it in later times would become, and 'Sciphol' was a reference to a piece of marsh lands. I would like to rewrite the section of the toponymy and separate the science from the fiction.--Watisfictie (talk) 13:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Name.

Since Schiphol has been around for 100 years, the airport has been awarded a royal standard. Which makes the name for the aiport: Amsterdam Royal Airport Schiphol. This should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.75.215.109 (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

New statistics for 2016

On the schiphol website new statistics were released for 2016 http://news.schiphol.com/2016-traffic-and-transport-figures-for-schiphol-group/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.75.66.110 (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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Mainport

It is stated that Schiphol is one of Europe's mainports. However, as far as I know, the word 'Mainport' is Dutchlish, not English. In my opinion, it should be rephrased.

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Amsterdam airport needs busiest routes

We know that Amsterdam airport at busiest airports in the world. But there arent any busiest routes at this airport. In my idea, Wikipedian users and admins add busiest routes, traffic and statistic in this airport. Who agrees with me? Any ideas?

I think what is being asked for has since been added. -- Beland (talk) 00:33, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Air Maroc

Royal Air Maroc is regarding to her flight schedule (https://www.royalairmaroc.com/int-en/E-Services/Flight-schedules) not operating any flights to Amsterdam except Casablanca. Nador and Tangier will be moved to Rotterdam from 28 October 2019, Al Hoceima and Oujda will be only available with an stopover in Casablanca from Winter 2020! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.205.38.125 (talk) 11:03, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Citation

I noticed that the paragraph in the lead on the destruction of the airport is not cited--Godgirlriri (talk) 02:57, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Temporary suspensions

As per WP:NOTNEWS we do not list temporary content on Wikipedia. If a route is suspended temporarily, leave as it. If it is suspended indefinitely, remove it altogether. Thanks. Ajf773 (talk) 20:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but WP:NOTNEWS says literally nothing about temporary information. It's talking about announcements and news reports. Marking a flight as suspended is none of that. It is just the correct information at that time and date. It is important information, since suspended destinations are still part of the network, but not served for the period of suspension. WP:NOTNEWS would apply to the mentioning of dates of inauguration or liquidation of routes. They are actual announcements and news reports that are not allowed according to WP:NOTNEWS. But no one complains about that. So there is absolutely no ground to not mention temporary suspensions.

I understand that current flight suspensions are due to the corona virus. Maybe you see it in that frame as a news report. But since we do not mention the reason for suspension, that doesn't count. We also marked AtlasGlobal's flights as suspended for example, which was for a way other reason. The question for us is: suspended, yes or no? And we should edit accordingly. And the reason doesn't matter. Hhl95 10 March 2020, 15:33 (UTC+1). —Preceding undated comment added 14:35, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Statistics

Where do the 5th-10th busiest European destinations come from? They are not in Schiphol's annual report. Please add the source for that. Hhl95 10 March 2020, 21:45 (UTC+1) — Preceding undated comment added 20:46, 10 March 2020(UTC)

Statistics: Flags

Someone reverted the statistics revision saying that flags are not allowed, without any reference. I would like to point out that we have always used flags in this section on this page, and secondly, they are used on the pages of pretty much all other European airports. So to remove them here would be highly inconsistent, and the frequent use of flags on this and other pages at least challenges whatever 'rule' on flags. It is clear that there seems to be consensus to use flags in this section on airport pages, and consensus is the highest law on Wikipedia. So do not remove the flags without any further discussion first. Hhl95 3 April 2020, 18:10 (UTC+2) —Preceding undated comment added 16:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

The manual of style Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons is pretty clear that you dont use flags for decoration. Its unlikely that you could overide the MoS guideline with a local consensus in this case. MilborneOne (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't think this counts as mere decoration. It makes the table much clearer and better navigable. The MoS also says the following: "If the use of flags in a list, table or infobox makes it unclear, ambiguous or controversial, it is better to remove the flags". In this case, the flags do not make the table unclear, ambiguous or controversial.

Furthermore, I wouldn't say it's just a local consensus. It's a broad and sustainable consensus. Flags have been used throughout similar sections on countless airport pages for many years with no one apparently seeing a conflict with the MoS. So there really need to be either better arguments or a new consensus-making process before we change this practice. Hhl95 3 April 2020, 19:28 (UTC+2) —Preceding undated comment added 17:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Referencing airlines/destinations

So I want to bring this up. After the latest issue with referencing, I looked up the RfC on this matter (RfC about references for the "Airlines and destinations" tables). Even though the RfC was closed already in 2017, it turns out that on this page we're still practicing Option A. I wasn't involved in the RfC, but Option A would have my preference. Some stubborn editors refused me and others to edit the table accordingly. However, the RfC resulted in option B, meaning that those stubborn editors are in fact right, even though they have never objected against the continuous use of Option A before, so they are in the wrong as well. Since, following option B, we are supposed to reference every single route, I wish those stubborn editors good luck on adding 515 references, consistent with their edit warring over the removal of 2 references. You are now expected to add the 513 remaining references as well. Hhl95 06:27 (UTC+1), 29 October 2020 —Preceding undated comment added 05:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

A380 jetways

One part of the article tells us:

Two gates feature a third jetway for handling of the Airbus A380...

while another says:

Gates G9, E18 and E24 (E24 refurbished in 2019) are equipped to handle daily Airbus A380 service...

Don't all three gates have three jetways? Can these two phrases be merged? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Ground Transport: Bicycle

Ground transport should always include bicycles as an important means of transport of the future, unless there is completely no legal way to reach the airport by bicycle (which would be a bad thing).--Bk1 168 (talk) 11:41, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bk1 168: Please provide soureces for this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Sources for what? That the bicycle is an important means of transportion or that it is the means of transport of the future? Or for the concrete connection?--Bk1 168 (talk) 16:33, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Chaos

I do not read Dutch but this title is simple https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/1096198886/schiphol-wil-salarissen-niet-verhogen-deze-chaos-schaadt-de-economie The Chaos is bad for economy. Xx236 (talk) 06:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2023

Please remove Iran Air, Middle East Airlines, Air Cairo, and Arkia from the airlines and destinations list, as they do not operate from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol anymore 2A02:A45C:DA4D:1:153E:75DF:B36D:A001 (talk) 12:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 02:54, 29 January 2023 (UTC)