Talk:Amy Biehl

whereabouts of the murderers

I just read in an article that the murderers became rape suspects after their release. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/02/28/60II/main165933.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.19.109.52 (talk) 15:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

This seems important to add for context. To help, I've added potentially useful sources:

Biehl killer guilty of raping disabled woman

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/biehl-killer-guilty-of-raping-disabled-woman-116257

Biehl killer guilty of rape

https://www.news24.com/news24/biehl-killer-guilty-of-rape-20031106

Please let me know if these aren't accepted by Wikipedia standards. 2603:6010:89F0:890:3137:5950:FA54:A5C4 (talk) 18:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Stuff:

• "Three convicted of murdering Stanford graduate Amy Biehl." Stanford University. October 25, 1994.

WhisperToMe (talk) 07:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

sources

We're not using stormfront, racialist papers, and similar junk as sources here. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 13:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Content dispute

@David Eppstein: Please talk to me here instead of the edit section now, I understand I haven't contacted you until your third revert so I'm making an effort now.

Please explain to me what you mean by "reintroducing old broken deadlinks for article references", as I haven't introduced a single reference in the article. And secondly please explain why you are so insistant on labelling an anti-imperialist slogan as an "Anti-white" slogan? The slogan "One Settler One Bullet" is anti-imperialist in nature and only indicates the murder was commited because the men assumed Biehl to be responsible for colonization, not because she was white. Excluding the quote and attempting to label it as anti-white when it is not is dishonest to the sources we are using. June Parker (talk) 21:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

One of my edits changed a broken link to the LA Times article to a working link. You undid that and reintroduced the broken link. I am insistent on calling it an "anti-white" slogan because that is what our sources call it. We need to rely on published reliable sources, not on your personal opinion on whether the intended meaning of that slogan is socioeconomic rather than racist (as if it could only be one or the other). —David Eppstein (talk) 01:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@David Eppstein: Thanks for letting me know, I'll be sure to avoid altering links on accident in the future. But I don't see why you would accuse me of doing it on purpose as if I were attempting to damage the article. Also, like I said, the source you pointed out later specifies the "Slur" as "One Settler! One Bullet!" which is (1) a slogan, not a slur, and (2), not anti-white, but anti imperialist. This is not my personal definition, it's an opinion held by people who do not have a grudge against black Africans for despising exploitation, or white Africans for exploiting. It's the neutral viewpoint. I'm more concerned about why you view "We don't like being hunted down by colonizers" as "I hate white people" since you want to bring personal opinions into it.

To boot, per WP:CITELEAD, this information does not exist in the body of the article, so keeping it in the lead without support isn't that proper for an article. However I'll relent and say the opinion that the chants directed at the murder victim were racist is valid. LA times is the only source that (According to you) claims the slogan is a slur, so if you're right it would be more appropriote to add something like "The killers chanted One Settler One Bullet, which was dubbed by LA times as an Anti-White slur in context" in the Death section

If we do that, you get to have "Anti-white slur" in the article more properly laid out according to the source. June Parker (talk) 03:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Again, you are imposing YOUR OPINIONS that "One Settler! One Bullet!" is not an anti-white slur. I'm not even going to try to argue with you about whether that opinion is accurate because to do so would miss the point. The source we have for this event explicitly states otherwise. On Wikipedia we go by what published reliable sources have to say, not our own opinions. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

You are the one misrepresenting a source to appeal to your white genocide fantasy, your "Big scary muscular black dude invasion" fantasy. If you insist on being intellectually dishonest and breaking the rules, I can't help you. Have a nice day dude. June Parker (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I was just looking at the page One Settler, One Bullet and it has the statement "grassroots sympathizers of the PAC at times interpreted the slogan as a call for attacks on whites in general and certain attacks on whites, such as the 1993 killing of US Anti-Apartheid activist Amy Biehl, were seen as directly motivated by the slogan." and provides the Truth and Reconciliation Commission hearings as a reference. (https://web.archive.org/web/20101120151035/http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/amntrans/capetown/capetown_biehl01.htm) Gusfriend (talk) 12:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)