Talk:Ana Lucia Cortez

Police officer?

What's the source for saying Ana-Lucia is (was) a police officer? It certainly fits, but I haven't heard that on screen yet. (I'm not following spoilers, but I'm not terribly averse to them either, so don't worry if it's been revealed in some interview or leaked script pages or something.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

It was revealed that she is a police officer when the LOST crew was seen filming in Hawaii. Link: http://www.tvsquad.com/2005/11/13/pre-island-ana-lucia/ Hectorhectorhectorhector

Ah. Thanks, Hector. (Or is that Hectorhector... is there an echo in here?) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:52, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Death

I'm pretty sure Ana-Lucia is dead. She loses muscle control after being shot, and in the previews for the next episode (which overlay words such as "tragedy,") she is seen lying on the floor as people proclaim that she is dead. Is there really any uncertainty? JeffreyAtW 16:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I hope she's dead. I can't stand Michelle Rodriguez as an actress. NorthernThunder 17:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The "she is dead" seemed to me to be deliberately ambiguous, as though it could refer to either Ana-Lucia or Libby. I figure the producers are hoping we'll think it was Ana-Lucia and then be surprised if it is Libby, or that people will second guess like I'm doing. *shrugs*  ;-) Black Wolff 02:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm hoping it's Ana-Lucia. Although I don't like her character, I'd rather her be dead than Libby. Killing someone's significant other already happened with Shannon, I don't think the Lost writers would do it again, but then again, they're all about surprise. Morhange 16:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Michelle Rodrigues involvement with the show is likely not over. She was stopped for a DUI in Hawaii on May 6, 2006. Her character's death occured in the episode "Two for the Road" which aired May 3, 2006. One-hour TV shows are usually shot 4-6 weeks before they are broadcast. If she was indeed let go from the show, there would be no reason for Rodriguez to remain in Hawaii as her death scenes were filmed months before.

Coincidentally, Cynthia Watros, who plays Libby who was also fatally shot in the same episode was also arrested for DUI on the same night.

That's all well and good, and certainly interesting to Lost fans, but it is completely irrelevant to Wikipedia and to these discussion pages, the purpose of which is to talk about improving the article, not to trade fan trivia. -- PKtm 21:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The article says she's shot in the heart, but it looked to me more like the stomach – i.e. the wound appeared to be just below the sternum. —Tamfang 09:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone have a source for the "í" in "Ana-Lucía Cortez"?

--Greasysteve13 13:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Mexican-American

I might be wrong, but i don't remember if she was Mexican-American.

not,she hasn't, M.R. is a half dominican, a half puertorrican--Joe Satana 18:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Spelling

Nowhere does it suggest that there is an accent. The only other place that uses the accent is Lostpedia.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/character/93549.html http://imdb.com/title/tt0411008/

-- Wikipedical 22:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You are right. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 07:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The character's name is obviously Spanish, and accent marks are used in Spanish to denote emphasis on a syllable. However, the default is that the second to last syllable in a word is emphasized. References from ABC aside, it would make no sense at all to put an accent above that letter. 24.20.131.214 03:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Just for clarification, Spanish accent rules indicate that diphthongs are broken if the 'weak' vowel (i,u) is the stressed one and the 'strong' vowel (a, e, o) is not. In this case, the 'weak' vowel MUST be always accented, regardless of its position in the word. More info at: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acentuaci%C3%B3n_del_idioma_espa%C3%B1ol (in Spanish, look for 'Híato') and http://coe.sdsu.edu/people/jmora/Accents.htm (in English, look for item 2; somewhat outdated per the latest RAE rules, but accurate for this case) --Paiconos 16:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no "default" accented syllable in Spanish. Paiconos, you are right, except about the word hiato itself, which is not accented because the strong vowel (a) is, in that word. Ana Lucía, however, is accented in Spanish, and doesn't bear an hyphen. Trust me, I'm from Spain. That said, these rules are for the conventional spelling. As far as I know, you can decide on your children's names' spelling, so I guess it's just up to Ana Lucía's parents. Juanmejgom 17:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Moving

Please obtain consensus before moving a page, and always use the 'move' tab, don't copy and paste the content from one article to another (moving preserves the page history, which is a licensing requirement) - it's a bit messy to clean up. Thanks, Petros471 09:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

pic problems?

What's up with the pic? back and forth like a swingset. . . Any chance of you guys talking about it before changing it again? Riverbend 20:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

To Ned Scott: Do you have the same problem with the other pictures for lost characters? Riverbend 22:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I haven't looked at all of them yet, but most of them are way to "clean" looking for starters. We're using fair use images of characters that do not look significantly different from the actors who play the, a situation that usually leads to no images on the character articles. Wikipedia has pretty strict policy (WP:FU) about using pictures of living people. Personally, I don't care. Remember all those nice screen shots we had on List of Lost episodes? I argued in great detail for us to use those images. We now don't have any images on that list, and we were unable to show that the images were vital to the article. We're facing a similar situation here, and if we want to use images, any fair use images, we need strong fair use rationales. Some editors want to remove these images completely from the character articles. If we show that we're at least using an image that illustrates something about the character, or even just showing the character "in action", or doing something typical for that character, we would then have a leg to stand on. If we can't even do that, then we risk losing these images all together.

It doesn't have to be the image I've chosen, it just has to be something better than a clean portrait of a person that tells us nothing about the character. -- Ned Scott 03:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Everyone else wants to use the promotional photos of the characters for the character boxes. It's the image ABC used to promote the character, so it is representive enough to work.

The purpose of the image is only to illustrate the character in question. Images showing events from that character's history can be used later in the article. --DrBat 04:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I think main objection is that there are other characters in the image. I've already changed Kate Austen's picture away from the promo picture, and no one seems to have any issues with that. We can use a better image, but those promo images don't show us anything about the character, and won't pass our strict fair use guidelines and policy about living people. -- Ned Scott 04:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

In other words, I'd be glad to find a picture of Ana alone, but this image is at least an improvement for the policy concerns, which take president over personal taste. -- Ned Scott 04:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

won't pass our strict fair use guidelines and policy about living people. That only applies to real-life people, not fictional characters.

And concerning how the images were removed from the episode guide; the articles for the actual episodes still have them, so I don't see what the big deal is.--DrBat 04:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The argument here is that the image isn't of the character. She's not even wearing clothes we see in the show. This is a clean image of an actor with an island background, and nothing more to connect the two. We need to represent the character more to make a stronger fair use argument. -- Ned Scott 04:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You said something similar to what happened at List of Lost episodes is happening here with the characters, but didn't you start this? You appear to be the only arguing the other side of this argument. And I have an issue with Kate's image. I hated it when we lost our images in the episode list, and this is too much. Leave it alone. These images were taken for the TV show. We didn't randomly grab a picture of Michelle Rodriguez; we took one from the ABC website. You also say that these don't depict the character, but the character never posed for a camera, and what about the Image:Seasonthree2.jpg? The characters don't all wear those clothes, and Juliet has never been that close to Desmond. --theDemonHog 05:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

No, User:Ed g2s started this, the same user who started the List of Lost episodes screen shot debate.[1] (see also here) Although I disagreed with Ed for the List screen shots, I agree with him here, and even now I'm reconsidering my own thoughts on the List screenshots. Some of the images I can understand, but come on man, that image is horrible for Ana Lucia. Ana is a tough and rumble character, full of fire. Image:Anamich.jpg is actually misleading in the image it creates for the character. It's hardly connected to Ana Lucia at all, which is why I've taken such notice on this picture over the others. Seriously, why is there such objection here? We can find a good image of her alone, so why else cling to Image:Anamich.jpg? -- Ned Scott 06:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

And for Image:Seasonthree2.jpg, I'd say the fact that these people show up in the same image help make it different from images of the people themselves. It's notable because it includes a group of characters, and it's hard (if not impossible) to find an image of all the characters like this in any other form. It's a cast shot, and has it's own elements that are different from an image being used to illustrate a single character. For this article, it's not hard at all to find a better image. -- Ned Scott 06:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

For the full cast images, you could just use more than one image. It is not required for them to be all in the same frame, and it would be "more in-character." And I still think you are the only one who has a problem with Image:Anamich.jpg --theDemonHog 00:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

We try to limit the number of fair use images being used, so if we can use a single image for a group of people then that would be more desirable. I'm only pointing out that the image needs to be replaced in order to have a stronger fair use rational. If I'm the only one who wants to comply with policy doesn't mean we don't do that. Wikipedia is not a democracy. -- Ned Scott 02:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed your post that began with "No, User:Ed g2s started this" --theDemonHog 15:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is something of a compromise [2]. It is a promotional image for Ana for season 2, but represents her more as the character. --theDemonHog 15:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

This was kinda discussed in the Featured Article review for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the issue of promo photos from the network. Although I did not see it exactly resolved, editors were debating over the distinction of whether the image was released as a presskit (that the network was passing out for people to use to promote the show) or whether it was taken off the network website (which was the network's pictures with prohibitions against using them), and if that made any difference for our purposes. I found some of the pics being used for the characters on the ABC website, and there was a link from the ABC page restricting use of pictures it uses. I don't know where the promo pics came from, the website or a promo kit, and don't know if it matters. . . Is this relevant at all to this discussion? I don't think concensus was ever really reached on the Buffy FA discussion page, but I thought it might be worth mentioning in case it was relevant. Riverbend 16:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

INMO screenshopts are the best way to represent a character - the promo pics are beautiful, but not really character-realistic as Ned has explained . . I think that it would be safer to just find decent screenshots for the character, but not change an individual pic until we have a good individual one to replace it (why change from something problematic to something problematic in another way, and then have to debate which is worse) . . . My main concern is that finding a pic that "represents" a character can create more controversy, because then people might start switching screen shots back and forth because one isn't as representative as the other, and the edit war will resume. Ned, do you think this would be a problem, or if folx agree that if we have a fair use individual screenshot (particularly based on the "character representation" position) that it would be left alone? Riverbend 16:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Riverbend. Find a good screenshot with Ana as the main focus, and use that instead. The promo image doesn't represent the character very well, and the other image is too crowded. If I remember correctly, I think there was a good closeup of her reaction right after she realizes she shot Shannon. Ideally, I'd love to see that image here, as I think it represents the character and a major plot point revolving around her, a very important point in her life on the island. Unfortunately, I don't have the episode recorded, or the DVD, or I'd try to find that screenshot myself. Anybody else have the DVDs that can get that? --Maelwys 16:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you guys missed my post earlier, so I'm going to say it again. Here is something of a compromise [3]. It is a promotional image for Ana for season 2, but represents her more as the character than Image:Anamich.jpg or Image:LOST208.jpg. --Thedemonhog 01:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Here [[4]] is the image I was talking about, which I think best represents her character and would hopefully suit everybody's needs as a good comprimise. It's from the show (not promotional) and features only her, and as I said it's from a very powerful moment in her story, right after she shot Shannon. What do people think of that one? --Maelwys 13:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

That picture rocks! I myself like it better than any of the others so far. Thanks for taking the trouble to track it down. Hopefully others will like it as well. Riverbend 14:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't like that one as much. It's too rainy, and the face that she's making... Go for this one:[5]. --thedemonhog 15:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The fact that it's rainy and she's not posing for the camera is exactly the point... it's a better image of the CHARACTER when it's from the actual show, when she's reacting to things around her (like the shock of realizing she just killed somebody) and the environment of the show (the rain that always seems to be falling when bad things happen). It captures the character a lot better this way, instead of a posed image of the actress interacting directly with the camera, which is more appropriate on the actresses own bio page, and not on the page of the character. --Maelwys 15:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have a question. If promos and screenshots are both under fair use, then why is one better than the other? --thedemonhog 15:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Because screenshots show the characters, promo's show the actors posing for the camera. If every picture tells a story (or is worth 1000 words, or whatever) I'd much rather see an image that tells the characters story than a promo shot that says "I got paid a lot of money to have pictures taken of me advertising the new season, go me!" --Maelwys 15:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You're acting like the main image is the only one. --DrBat 02:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No, but it is the first one that people see, and it's in the infobox about the character, so I do think that it should be representitive of the actual character, not the actress. --Maelwys 03:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I like Maelwys's image. When I look at it I see Ana Lucia, instead of Michelle Rodriguez. -- Ned Scott 03:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Agree per Ned Scott and Maelwys - the promo pictures are both really nice, and the second is probably better than the first, but INMO the screenshots - particularly the one proposed - really give a better picture of the character. However, I am wondering about the promo pictures on all the character pages - if we decide that screenshots would be better here, should we be looking for screenshots for the other characters as well, or just for the Ana page? Riverbend 16:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

What about this? [6] It is a promotional picture for the episode 2x20 - Two for the Road so it is more visually attractive. Ana wore these clothes for her entire existence on the show, and it hardly ever rained on her, so this represents her character better. --theDemonHog 00:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is another good promo shot, this one from 2x06 - "Abandoned:" [7]. --theDemonHog 05:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

in universe / task list

What else needs to happen to this page for it not to be "in universe"? It isn't very long, it has lots (if not entirely complete) episode cites, it has some external trivia. I think that a task list for this page might be helpful, for folx who see things that need fixing to help focus our efforts (for when the page is unprotected. . .). Riverbend 14:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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