Talk:Andrej Babiš

Date of start

Dear User:Jklamo, so do you think, there were two PMs of the Czech Republic simultaneously in the period between 6 December and 13 December? It's absolutely nonsense. Babis was appointed 6 Dec, but assumed the office effectively on 13 Dec, when Sobotkas's term ended. --Norden1990 (talk) 16:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, according the Czech Constitution the date of appointment of PM does not have to be same as the date of appointment of cabinet. So yes, for brief period of time the Czech Republic really has two PMs (but according to customary law only older one is acting as PM).--Jklamo (talk) 17:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Jklamo is right, the Constitution allows to have two Prime Ministers at the same time. In Czech language there is Prime Minister-resigned (Předseda vlády v demisi) and Prime Minister-elect at the same time, while the executive and power controls the Prime Minister-resigned and the other premier is awaiting appointment of his/hers cabinet. I understand that many Wikipedians might find it confusing but it is the law. Itsyoungrapper (talk) 21:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

First PM not from ODS/ČSSD

While this is true, the formulation in the introductory passage might be a little misleading, since before Babiš there had been three PMs who were members neither of ODS nor ČSSD, namely Tošovský, Fischer and Rusnok (see List of Prime Ministers of the Czech Republic), who were independent.P^ětušek 09:47, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but that doesn't change anything. Not a single PM in the contemporary history of the Czech Republic was from a different party other than the ODS or the ČSSD - until Babiš from ANO. Itsyoungrapper (talk) 13:09, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Please don't expand the lead section

As pointed out in the page header (as of November 2022), the page's lead is just obnoxiously long, likely failing to meet the quality standards for a B-Class article.

Unless the lead segment is not reasonably concise, please do not add any non-essential more-sentence type information there.

-- Alpyn (talk) 05:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Alpyn:, I totally agree with you, but I think some pretty key stuff was moved out of the lead before. I have tried to reinsert it while generally condensing the text as much as possible to compensate, but it's difficult! I will try and condense it more tomorrow. Jdcooper (talk) 03:15, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

I disagree here, I think the previous version before all the changes was just fine. It is not uncommon for major political figures to have longer than usual leads - see Benjamin Netanyahu. There's just a lot of important facts to consider and now I feel we have left out many.

Edit: Also, let's focus on the various sections this article has - many of the categories simply lack significance or do not provide sufficient context unless you are familiar with Czech politics. For example, "Visit to the United States" is a prime candidate to be completely scrapped and rewritten instead as "foreign policy" or something like that. Itsyoungrapper (talk) 04:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

"Slovak-born"

@Itsyoungrapper: what is your objection to mentioning in the lead that Babis is Slovak-born? It's only one word, so hardly WP:UNDUE, and I would say someone's origin is pretty much the most basic information you can get, and should be in the lead, as it is in vast numbers of other articles of bi-national people. Jdcooper (talk) 11:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)