Talk:Andrey Arshavin

Spelling

MICHEL RECENDEZ Many Russian names Andrei or Andrey are spelled differenly. On two different pages this players name is spelled in different ways. I recommend that it be spelled with an i at the end. After a while if no one says different I will change it. Likthem

Actually, it was me who renamed the article to its current form. I did it because FC Zenit says it's "Andrey". [1] In addition, WP:RUS recommends "y". Conscious 21:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, although I am quite used to seeing it written as i and not y, I will not disagree with Wikipedia's standards. Thank you. Likthem

I've also seen "Andrei" at rsssf and uefa sites. Conscious 20:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Didn't Arshavin himself confirm the spelling to be "Andrey". Sky Sports and the Daily Mirror both confirmed this I believe and have used the spelling Andrey in their news reports.

ANDREY Arshavin has confirmed himself his name is spelt with an Y. This was said on Sky Sports News, and can be seen on his own website, aswell on the website of his new club Arsenal. http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/factfile-on-andrey-arshavin As i am new to wikipedia i do not know how to submit a "move request" to have this changed. If anyone could help me that would be much appreciated. thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marvinarshavin (talk • contribs) 20:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC) [This comment was moved by myself as there were two "Spelling" sections listed in this discussion] I am russian. my name is AndreY Burtsev (Андрей Бурцев). i now that Андрей must spelling Andrey. Andrey Burtsev

http://www.arshavin.com/en/ - Andrey Arshavin - Serijvip (talk) 00:59, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Goalkeeping

Andrei Arshavin normally is an outfield player but ever since signing to Arsenal F.C. the manager, Arsene Wenger being a grade A bigot. He has placed Andrei Arshavin at the mouth of goal. All the other players have some sort of African heritage playing outfield. This has caused alot of tumult and controversy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.38.201.5 (talk) 10:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

On the official Zenit St. Petersburg website his name is listed as Andrey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whiteknight666 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC) As a compromise I listed both spellings

Since joining Arsenal Andrey Has Stated his name is spelt with a Y as opposed to an I.--194.74.242.33 (talk) 00:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

This article has been renamed

This article has been renamed from Andrey Arshavin to Andrei Arshavin as the result of a move request. See Talk:Vyacheslav Malafeev for an archive of the proposal. — Ash063 09:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Name of the team

Would be nice if people called my country's team right (The Netherlands)... We aren't simply named "Holland" you know.. ADB15 (talk) 21:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks to me you are simply holland and lost of russia. 77.248.185.98 (talk) 21:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Technically only 2 provinces of the lowlands make up Holland but even man.y dutch people call the country holland in england. Look at interviews with van Basten —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.102.49 (talk) 00:17, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I know that but our team is officially named the Netherlands and since this is WIKIPEDIA it has to be named like it really is.. just because we call it Holland for the ease of comfort doesn't mean the other should do it :P ADB15 (talk) 12:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, their are inaccuracies in the information of the page. As of June 22, Andrey Arshavin has scored 67 goals in official play for ZenitWhiteknight666 (talk) 17:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)WhiteKnight666

Anderson aka ochoa the hooligan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ochoamu (talk • contribs) 15:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Andrey Arshavin Will wear the number 23 shirt for Arsenal Football Club. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.51.123 (talk) 22:02, 27 June 2008

Arsenal fc have had a €10million offer rejected, but are poised to make another approach of about 14million. Whiteknight666 (talk) 01:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)WhiteKnight666 (UTC) on 20th of january Arsenal f.c of London,England smash there record tranfer fee and sign Arshaven

The deal looks to be off, Sky Sports News had a report sent to them from Zenit saying the deal was off that was at 17:30pm on 2nd Feb 09. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.107.174.93 (talk) 17:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

Arshavin images

[img]http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/feb2009/7/4/3CD22C45-0FEA-34E5-1A66681EA468CBE5.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01252/Andrei_Arshavin_1252484c.jpg[/img]

Agreeing to someone should change it......he will be arsenal player on thursday 27th jan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsenal1193 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

They're not free, consult WP:IUP#Adding images. Conscious (talk) 19:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

We still need a better one; these are low quality images for such a high quality player! (talk), 7:50 PM 21 March 2009 (ET)

Leaving in January?

Can you delete/undo these Arsenal rumors listed on his article? This is not the place for it! Let's not turn wikipedia into a cheap online tabloid! Rumor hunting are what the likes of goal.com are for. Until he has signed for someone, I see no reason to start burning your tires.. it's quite annoying seeing this kind of thing. i supposed temporarily it's alright but ask yourself, who in their right mind goes to wikipedia to get up to date football info?--Fly05 (talk) 09:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I read a couple of articles about Arshavin possibly leaving for Arsenal. – Michael (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I have seen sources that seem to be reliable saying that Arsenal is trying to make this transfer happen. I am surprised why this information is not included in the article and would like to know why some editors remove it. BaldPark (talk) 03:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It'd be ridiculous to name every club that ever made a bid for Arshavin. I'm sure Ramos was confident in August when trying to sign him for Spurs. Same with Barcelona etc etc etc etc etc.............. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.49.142 (talk) 09:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I am not aware of any reliably documented official offer other than Arsenal's. Are you? BaldPark (talk) 09:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, just google past offers. 203.45.49.142 (talk) 09:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

• http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1041934/Arshavins-Tottenham-hits-set-Zenit-hold-21m.html
• http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7470415.stm
• http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2008/11/16/sports/2565509
• http://www.soccernews.com/arsenal-lead-arshavin-race/3773/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.49.142 (talk) 09:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it is entirely appropriate to have this kind of information in the article, other guidelines being followed, of course. BaldPark (talk) 21:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

As I've said in my edit summary, Zenit's negotiations with Arsenal obviously deserve a mention somewhere in the article. Regardless of whether the deal itself goes through or not, it will still have a very big effect on his career. Arshavin has already said that he has no intention of playing for Zenit again, so the least that can happen is that Arshavin will buy out his contract after this season, either way, it is difficult to underestimate the impact these negotiations may have on his career. Just don't go into too much detail, at least not until the transfer window is closed in seven days. There's just way too much inaccurate information right now. BanRay 11:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Well-said! Thank you. 71.139.20.155 (talk) 22:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Such a deal will have an affect on his career only if it goes through. To suggest anything else is simply crystal ball gazing.--ClubOranje^Talk 10:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Arshavin moves to Arsenal!

1. 23 is what he will be wearing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary-spratt (talk • contribs) 04:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Arshavin moves to Arsenal! [2] Yoda1893 (talk) 20:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes More sources: [3]

Stop changing the article please.

How can I lock the article? Its getting kind of annoying.

Arshavin is already an Arsenal player so you could change it :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspirina (talk • contribs) 21:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Andrei Arshavin has NOT YET joined Arsenal from Zenit St Petersburg. Arsenal are waiting for necessary paperwork to be signed by the Premier League. Please read these "sources" more clearly:

[4] states clearly: "The Gunners are now merely waiting on the Premier League to sign all the necessary paperwork for the deal to be made official."

[5] states clearly: "...although we are atill awaiting official confirmation from the clubs and player."

Please stop changing the article until both clubs and/or the player make an OFFICIAL announcement. Captain Alaric (talk) 21:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

It is done. I mean when a baby is born it isnt born until the papers are signed for this birth cert? Please....It is done. Change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.55.10.46 (talk) 22:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, the Canadian Press (hardly the best source for football, but a source none the less) is reporting the deal as done and complete. [6] --99.224.245.159 (talk) 23:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

While I understand a desire to "break the news" before official confirmation, over the length of the debacle, there has been no lack of conflicting news sources. Changing it before the deal is reported as done by completely reliable sources (Arsenal.com, mostly) would be irresponsible. As for the baby analogy, it seems a little off. This is unconfirmed information, not something we definitely know to be true. – moonty (talk) (contribs) 08:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

It's offical he moved

On the Russian chanell one it was announced today.

The Russian minister of sports already commented it.[7].

And here are the news from the most offical Russian sports site:

Arshavin before it was offical announced he will play under the 23 number if he moved: [8]

And here is the offical confirmation from Zenit: [9]

It's offical. MaIl1989 (talk) 12:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sport Express say the move has been finalized some 20 minutes ago, we'll need an official confirmation from either Zenit or Arsenal though. BanRay 16:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed by Arsenal now. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Arsenal have now confirmed on their website that he will wear the number 23 shirt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vernonflorida (talk • contribs) 17:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

As the move is now absolutely official and complete can someone update the top photo? or at least remove it as it shows Arshavin in his old club's colours Aion707 (talk) 15:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

What's the need though? All that the image needs to do is show the reader what Arshvin looks like, and it does that. A free image of Arshavin in an Arsenal shirt after one day of being at the club is surely next to impossible anyway. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

References

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was not moved. There are going to be some who look at the clear majority below and claim that it should be moved, so I'd better explain my reasoning here. An editor closing a discussion has to take policy into account. In this case, WP:COMMONNAME is clear policy, and supporters of this move have largely been unable to show that "Andrey" is the currently most common spelling. For more on common names versus official names, please see WP:Official names. --Aervanath (talk) 15:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

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Andrei Arshavin → Andrey Arshavin — Following the discussion above, and in light of the fact both his former club and his current club's official websites both spell it with a "y", I think we can take it as a clear sign that is how he prefers to spell his name in English. — Qwghlm (talk) 10:19, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Support

• Support as nominator. Qwghlm (talk) 10:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support - official per Arsenal and Zenit St. Petersburg references. ···巌流^{? · talk to ganryuu} 10:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support- 58.169.113.160 (talk) 13:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support - as above. Jawley (talk) 21:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Moved from WP:RM:

• Agree.--Avala (talk) 19:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support as per the nomination and User:Ganryuu. Primary sources more authoritative than secondary ones. There'll be a redirect from one to the other anway. - fchd (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support This has been confirmed as a spelling by THE PLAYER HIMSELF why on earth this is still being debated I have no idea. Please change this to ANDREY ASAP. Rob Riot UK —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC).

• Source? BanRay 19:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
• Sources: Arsenal F.C. Profile [10] Sky Sports Profile [11] BBC Sport Profile [12] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robriotuk (talk • contribs) 19:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support. A number of credible sources, such as arsenal.com, his own website and the Russian Federal Migration Service prefer Andrey to Andrei. I hadn't seen it with a y until a few days ago and it is possible that Andrey Arshavin will go on to become the preferred spelling of the majority of English language sources, since he will be featured in more English news articles. I think the BBC have changed their spelling, since Tuesday, to Andrey.  slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 21:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support. There does not seem to be any clear common name at this point, that I can tell, but Romanization of Russian conventions and Arshavin himself seem to agree on "Andrey", so I can support this move. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• Not a clear common name? BaldPark's google links give me a ratio of 38 to 1 in favour of Andrei, the google news links I posted give me a 30 to 1 ratio in favour of Andrei... Looks common to me. — CHANDLER^#10 — 05:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support. When in doubt, go the the player's official website. As you can see, the 'y' spelling is used here. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 09:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• So you're proposing moving Ronaldinho to Ronaldinho Gaúcho per the player's official website, not giving a toss about commoname? — CHANDLER^#10 — 10:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• Irrelevant - we're not talking about Ronaldinho here. Besides, should the 'common' spelling of the name really be used when it's clearly incorrect? Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 11:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• Irrelevant? You said the most important source available was a players homepage. And Андрей is obviously not wrong to anglicise to either Andrei, Andrey or Andriy — CHANDLER^#10 — 14:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• Except the website doesn't use Andrei or Andriy, only Andrey. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 2:17 pm, Today (UTC+0)

• So while Arhsavin's "official website" is the most important source we can ever find, Ronaldinho's is irrelevant for the same subject? Ok... — CHANDLER^#10 — 15:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• What Ronaldinho's website says has absolutely nothing to do with this article's title. Please stop dragging the debate off on tangents with false analogies. @ Bettia: please don't reply to false analogies. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support. Where there's a clear trend towards a name change, we should respect that (as WP:COMMONNAME necessarily needs to weight uses over time). There's a trend towards the -ey spelling. I'm unconvinced by random Google searches which don't appear to take either predominant English usage or time into account. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

• Oppose. Wikipedia is a tretiary source. Based on Google search, it looks to me the majority of sources uses "Andrei" spelling:

  http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Andrei+Arshavin%22 - 15 mln pages,

  http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Andrey+Arshavin%22 - 76 thousand. -- BaldPark (talk) 18:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose I'm not particularly hostile to changing the name, but I think it should remain as it is for a few weeks to see what "common usage" dictates before making a move. Translating across languages is generally a tricky buisness, and both these options seem plausable - but I'm not convinced their is yet settled and sufficent widespread usage of Andrey to justify changing the title just yet.Lord Cornwallis (talk) 03:53, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose [13][14][15] and stuff like Andrei vs. Andrey I still think i is more common and commonly known than y — CHANDLER^#10 — 04:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose as per BaldPark. --Jimbo^[online] 00:20, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

The "Y" Spelling should be implemented ASAP due to the overwhelming Support indicated for the change. Wikipedia is a democracy and I would hope that just because a vocal few, whose main argument for keeping the spelling Andrei is Google search results, would back down and allow changes be made to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.155.212 (talk) 14:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Really? I was under the impression Wikipedia was NOT A DEMOCRACY. — CHANDLER^#10 — 14:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

• While Zenit and Arsenal may spell his name with a Y – as do the BBC, it seems – UEFA and FIFA appear to spell it with an I. I'm not taking sides on this one, as I think that both Andrei and Andrey are equally acceptable transliterations of the Russian name "Андрей". – PeeJay 13:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

All we need do is get a look at his English work permit. This would resolve this issue. A UK Government issued work permit would have to the internationally recognised spelling of his translated first name. OK not an easy document to get hold of, but it would resolve the problem. Aion707 (talk) 15:41, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I dont know what a work permit would bring as this is about the common name. Let's take Brazilians as an example, I would guess their permits would give their full names, not just "Robinho" "Ronaldo" etc. — CHANDLER^#10 — 04:22, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

no, eat me out. its spelt with an Y. Arshavin himself confirmed this the day he signed for Arsenal. If you look at his own website, which he runs himself, it is also spelt with a Y. Marvinarshavin (talk) 10:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, there are two slightly different spellings of his first name. It just does not look like that one with "Y" is more prevalent than with "I". I just do not get why some people see his self-published web site or Arsenal's web site as the final authority while there are apparently millions pages using "I" spelling. BaldPark (talk) 19:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Because the way the player himself spells it is undoubtedly the "correct" way (quotation marks because there is likely no correct transliteration). Eightball (talk) 01:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

WP is descriptive, not prescriptive. Our naming conventions state that we should use the common name appearing in external literature. Any preferences expressed by the subject of an article must be weighed against the prevailing spelling conventions in scholarly literature. Romanization of Russian conventions may also be of use ("y" seems preferred), but usually the common name trumps any discussion of spelling conventions. In this case, however, I don't see that there is any clear-cut common name, and preliminary Google tests yield nearly identical results for both spellings. In the absence of a clear common name, since both WP:RUS and the subject himself seem to agree on a spelling, I could support spelling with a "y". I just hope we're discussing moving for the right reasons. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 02:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

One would think the subject would know how to spell his own name. Eightball (talk) 05:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The argument of some here seems to be that that there is a "correct" name and that should be used, in spite of several people on both sides of this debate pointing out there can not be a single "correct" option when transliterating.

Is there any evidence that Arshavin wrote or decided what was on his webpage? If there were an interview or something where he explicity stated "yeah I prefer to spell it with a Y" that would indicate a preference, but footballers websites rarely are run by the player themselves and we should be wary of considering it to be too authorative. Clearly there has been a trend towards Andrey though, but glancing through media outlets it still appears to be less used than Andrei. It is not clear which spelling will settle as the most common usage, which was why it seemed to me it might have been better to wait a few more weeks before making this move. Even then things are not settled definitively. More than a decade after Andrei Kanchelskis there are still very different spellings of his name cropping up, but Andrei is the most popular of them.Lord Cornwallis (talk) 14:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Google test (another one). Google News is a news aggregator allows to limit the search scope to "today", for instance. Results:

• 422 from Feb 10, 2009 to today for andrey-arshavin.

• 6,293 from Feb 10, 2009 to today for andrei-arshavin

So, in the latest news publications AndreY - 422 pages, AndreI - 6293 pages. -- BaldPark (talk) 21:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

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own goal

people keep on changing number of goals to include the goal that was counted as an own goal by Blackburn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rybkin (talk • contribs) 17:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

League appearances & Goals

10 league appearances & 6 goals as of May 03, 2009.... Source: http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players/andrey-arshavin (Arsenal FC's very own website) ---- Gagandeep (talk) 04:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Google search shows preference for "Andrey Spelling"

For all those people citing google search numbers to prove that Andrei spelling is more popular than Andrey, you are forgetting one thing: You have to remove Wikipedia itself from the search, otherwise you're using Wikipedia's spelling to justify the continuation of that spelling.

Google Search results:

• http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Andrey+Arshavin%22+-wikipedia : 183,000

  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Andrei+Arshavin%22+-wikipedia : 165,000

So Google Search actually favors the 'y' spelling.

I highly doubt that the over 1,000,000 pages getting stripped are from wikipedia, seeing as http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Andrei+Arshavin%22+%22wikipedia%22 produces 3,680 articles chandler · 21:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

And those searches are not the same. The first one has ?q= and the second one has ?hl=en&q=. I am sure that it will get less hits when only pages in one language are searched. 85.217.21.113 (talk) 11:41, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Not just Wikipedia, but lots of mirrors of it, and people using wikipedia as their source. Run the two different google searches and check out which sites disappear.

I'm still not really sure they can be discounted. Other sites do readily copy off wikipedia, and increasingly decisions made on wikipedia can influence the "real" world - but that does not mean that we shouldn't count those that do. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 23:41, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

But that's a circular argument! We can't ask how many people use a certain spelling to determine what Wiki should use, and then just look at the people who use wikipedia as their only source - they're just reflecting what we write. And, as a result, will reflect any choice we make, regardless of whether it's a mistake or not. So to figure out which spelling is preferred outside of wikipedia, you HAVE to discount those websites.

Is there a policy which says that? I'm only aware that we are supposed to use the commonest name, even if websites are copying this one, but I might be wrong. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 14:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

IMO we should change the title to Andrey Arshavin. Media begin to use the Andrey spelling more often since the player himself preferred that way. His official profile on Arse.com also used Andrey. @pple complain 04:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Image: border or borderless

Guys, what is the rationale for having the image with a border or without a border? Maybe explaining it here will help resolve the dispute. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

There's no dispute as such, the guy's simply following me around, sad springs to mind, I'll be happy to go with whatever the community decision is as long as there is a discussion. BanRay 19:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It seems unconventional in WP to have images with a border, no? Chensiyuan (talk) 23:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really sure about this. Whatever the majority of other articles use, this should too. Do most not have borders? I'll happily admit I haven't really made a study of it. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 23:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Nicknames

I was here long ago doing Russian footballers (not all on this user) and one of them got famous. Now everyone wants to "contribute" aka be a control freak. Fine. I don't care. I'm disillusioned with wikipedia anyways. But I had some time to kill so I came here and wa la, a major f**k-up even by wiki's high standards. Arshavin earning the nickname the Russian Pele? Russia Today is a Kremlin network which uploads many videos on youtube. They use eye-catching headlines (which have no basis in reality and are often plain wrong) to get views, just like any tabloid. This one reads "Andrey Arshavin: Russia's answer to Pele". The Daily Mail in a Video Special used this crappy clip as well as it's title. And we're using a Video Special as a reputable source!! They used one of my video's before!

In short; No body in Russia calls Arshavin Russia's Pele. Arshavin has said many times his nickname is SHAVA. I posted this in his "Personal Information" below his full-name before, but it was taken down because apparently a youtube clip of the player himself being interviewed on the subject was not seen as a reasonable source, but the title of a crappy compilation clip by a pro-russian propaganda network, is. RIGHT.

For the sake of my eyes, please!!! don't call him the Russian Pele again. It's cringe worthy.

And for the record, some newspaper or pundit somewhere during the tournament(I forgot who) compared his impact on Euro 2008 to that of Pele in the 58' World Cup, because >>>both missed the first two games, yet came in and set the world a light, then came off the pitch in tears.<<< But that is where the similarities end. Pele was 17, Arshavin 27. Brazil won the World Cup, Russia made it to the semi's of the Euro. If anyone cares he imitates Streltsov, (or at least did when he was at Zenit in a free-role) but plays more like Baggio. Fly05 (talk) 18:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if you think that the nickname is "cringe worthy", the point is that it is a nickname that he has. I have seen it used multiple times in soccer articles across the internet. What's more, it's referenced. It doesn't matter if the nickname is not used in Russia; this is the English Wikipedia. (talk) 6:19 PM, 7 April 2009 (ET)

While I agree that the nickname is cringe-worthy and appears to have originated with a jingoistic Russia Today peice - it is still widely reported in the English-speaking media and has been used on numerous occasions which qualifies it for inclusion in the article. You'll seldom here a Russian or an Arsenal fan using it, but thats not the point. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 03:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It needs to come from a better source, at the moment the source provided is unspecific as it only mentions a generic "they". --Jimbo^[online] 22:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, yeah i get you. I'll try and have a look for a better source - though I'm not a big fan of the nickname and it doesn't appear to have caught on amongst the Arsenal faithful. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 23:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Let me remind you gentlemen that the DailyMail Video Special used one of MY COMPILATIONS before. If they stole my title and I described Roman Shirokov as "The Russian Titus Bramble" would that make it his nickname? I guess we're getting into what is the definition of nickname.. what is a reputable source.. Is some journalist in a generic russian-english network which Putin ordered in 2006 authorized to speak about football? Was he a footballer himself? Should Mark "Lawro the twunt" Lawrenson be allowed to speak or should he have his vocal chords ripped out? Again these are all questions which reveal wikipedia's shaky foundation and why I don't come here much anymore. If it's a 50/50 subjective decision, isn't it logical to just omit the nickname, since they aren't that prominent on wikipedia, which is supposed to be a "professional" encyclopedia, not shava's facebook. And oh that's right, what exactly is the point of telling people this useless information? Perhaps we should also put Arshavin's blood-type? A nickname is not a nickname unless either fans call you that, teammates call you that, commentators call you that, or you yourself use it. None of these happen. Not a nickname, End of story. And sorry if I sound like a d*ck, I'm only like that online I swear! --Fly05 (talk) 04:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Like I say I personally don't like the nickname but there is a reliable source (the Mail might not be everyone's ideal vision of journalism, but it does pass WP:RS) which says it is his nickname. It is vague when it speaks of "they" but I'd say that could be reasonably be inferred to mean the Russian supporters/media. This might not be true, but the threshold for inclusion on wikipedia is verifiability rather than truth. Can you provide a Reliable Source that proves it isn't his nickname?

To be honest I don't think its worth getting as worked up about as you apparently seem to be. And for what its worth as far as I'm concerned the Russian Pele was Eduard Streltsov not Arshavin. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 04:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

"The Daily Mail is a British newspaper currently published in a tabloid format. First published in 1896 by Lord Northcliffe, it is the United Kingdom's second biggest-selling daily newspaper after The Sun." (From the Wikipedia article) You're telling me that the Daily Mail is not a reliable source because one of its sub-outlets used a video of yours? (talk) 06:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you telling me democracy works? Isn't that why wikipedia is stricly NOT A DEMOCRACY? Learn some history, since the beginning newspapers quickly learned juicy lies sell better than the truth. The SUN, which is #1 in the UK, does so by being nothing more than a wank magazine. Hey, if they had papers with the likes of Keeley Hazell nude on page 3, I'd be buying them as well!! (if you're clueless of how the world works, look up Keeley's wiki and read a few lines, it should all become very clear to you). Hey that gives me an idea, why don't you all go wank off to her for a while, next best thing to getting laid - or scoring a goal in the top flight. Maybe then this non-sense won't seem so dam important. Kind of silly isn't it, us arguing over a nickname. heh --Fly05 (talk) 04:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you not missing the irony that you are the only one who seems bothered about this? Why does it matter if has a nickname that you don't like? It really doesn't matter. You have interesting views on the media but the fact is WP:Reliable Source sets out what is and isn't a reliable source. The Daily Mail is a reliable source (so is the Sun for that matter). If you have issues with that, this really isn't the place to make that point - try the discussion page at the WP:RS for a start.

I really don't care about this. As I've said half a dozen times I personally hate the name "the Russian Pele" - but why should it matter? I'm taking this article off my wachlist now. I really don't give a damn.Lord Cornwallis (talk) 04:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Fine then, for the sake of Lord Cornwallis not looking like a twat, I'll remove the nickname. He's admitted a) He doesn't like it, and b) it's not true.. but only re-added it because c) it had a source. What I don't understand is if something has a source, it doesn't mean it HAS to be included. If this were true, there would be no point of Wikipedia as it would just mirror the entirety of the internet. The whole point of this project was quick, basic and TRUE facts about any given person or topic. If you want to add it fine, but I'm here to save Cornwallis's good name ;-) --Fly05 (talk) 10:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Let the baby have its bottle. Raudys (talk) 10:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Arsenal Transfer

'He is the most expensive player in the North London club's transfer history.'

according to various sources, arsenal only paid 12 million upfront for him with various other fees being performance and apperance-based. the actual transfer value has not been disclosed by the club - if it was only 12 million though it would make him less costly than reyes and wiltord. does anyoe have a source from the club stating that this was a record signing? Jw2035 (talk) 07:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Arshavin's picture has been vandalised. Gnaaye

fixed chandler ··· 19:55, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

In "height" it reads: "too small". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.156.84.115 (talk) 12:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Russian pronunciation

Is his name pronounced as ar-SHAH-vin or ar-SHAV-in in Russian? I'm quite sure it's not ar-SHAY-vin or AR-shuh-vin although I've heard some commentators use them. Spiderone 10:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

ar-SHAV-in--Ierpeldeng (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

ar-SHA-vin. Stress on the second syllable. Both "A"s are open (so more like a "U" in "luck" in English). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.76.87.243 (talk) 23:06, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Copyvio

I have removed the "Personal Life" section of the article as it is a straight copy vio from the Daily Mail reference provided (here). Fenix down (talk) 15:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Top assist in 3 different tournaments

• UEFA Champions League top assist: 2009/10
• UEFA Cup top assist: 2007/08
• Russian Premier League top assist: 2007

I'm sure this should be added to the "Individual" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.66.181.115 (talk) 06:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

References

AC Milan

Some idiot in Malaysia put in copy that said he has joined AC Milan, I've undone this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gooneradam (talk • contribs) 11:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Position in the national team

Could there be more info on that? Thanks. 66.108.223.179 (talk) 16:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Neutral point of view

Wikipedia states that articles should have a neutral point of view. Parts of this article read more like a fan piece than a neutral article. Examples include "Arshavin scored the unbelievable, wonder dream winning goal" (no citation); "undeniably one of his most important and greatest goals of all time" (no citation); "disappointingly ending 1–1" - disappointingly from an Arsenal viewpoint, presumably, but not neutral; "Arshavin was a fouled in the area by a defender, but referee Anthony Taylor said no penalty" (no citation); "Taylor's assistant referee flagged him offside when he was clearly "onside" " citation, for what it is worth, points to the Arsenal official website which does not say anything about the player being clearly onside; "disappointing 0–0 draw" again, an Arsenal viewpoint, not a neutral one; "he scored a magnificent goal" (no citation); "from 23 yards" no citation, and most reports place him in the 18-yard area when he shot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.78.113.193 (talk) 20:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit them out then. Be bold! --Jimbo^[online] 20:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

OK - done! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.78.113.193 (talk) 22:44, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

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Under-21 years

The article says Arshavin has been playing for Russia U-21 since 2009, when he would have been 28 years of age? I suppose he could be an overage player, but this seems like a typo to me. Drawley (talk) 10:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

MUST IMPROVE!!!

This article has been way too messy for a long time. It has poor choice of words, poor grammar, poor spelling, poor punctuation, EVERYTHING!!!!! Please, can someone edit this page in a very mature and experienced manner???!!! I love Andrey Arshavin, so that's why we must need to have a clean and neat article for him. Look at the other articles, like Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Wayne Rooney, etc. Their all organized and neat. And also, whenever Arshavin scores, or if there's big news about him, write it down on his page. Please, make it something better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by THEXFALLEN (talk • contribs) 22:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

A little better, but not good enough.

I am impressed that someone did make some editing for this beloved article. But, it's still not good enough. There were many articles on the internet from Google surrounding the topic of Arshavin against Manchester United about his mistakes. Could someone find them and put them in this article??? Is that so hard???????????????????? I've been the only one making this article clean, then some fool comes here and deletes it. It's a lot of hard work when you think about. Also, Arshavin scored a Carling Cup against Bolton, MONTHS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone for God's sake edit that as well. And upload some cool pictures of him too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by THEXFALLEN (talk • contribs) 00:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Career Totals Needed!!!!!

Can someone make a career totals section for Arshavin for God's sake????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by THEXFALLEN (talk • contribs) 19:47, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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Andrei Arshavin → Andrey Arshavin – He identifies himself as Andrey on his official wesbite[16] and Twitter account.[17] and these transfer stories do the same.[18][19][20] Unreal7 (talk) 10:07, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

• That, and a good chunk of the sources used as references also use "Andrey". Support.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 27, 2013; 13:17 (UTC)

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Height

In the section referencing his move back to Zenit there is an unsourced comment about corner flags and his height, can an admin remove? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.30.103 (talk) 13:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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