Talk:Anqa

How is this close

see all links and sources

also there is nothing about heron simurgh

only anqa referenced as heron

as I stated before, Anqa is Confused and actually associated with all mythical birds

because anqa term used as example for non-existent birds in arab parables

أبو السعد 22 (talk) 03:22, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

also anqa can't be simurgh or phoenix

because all three birds have their own myths in Arabian and Persian Culture

أبو السعد 22 (talk) 03:22, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

أبو السعد 22, the article cited two contemporary sources which I think can be used by editors without the need for original research: an Encyclopedia Britannica page [1], and a page hosted on a Columbia University server [2]. The Britannica page says that an alternative title for this subject is sīmorgh. It further includes a link to their article for Phoenix, which says In Islamic mythology the phoenix was identified with the ʿanqāʾ (Persian: sīmorgh), a huge mysterious bird (probably a heron). The Columbia source includes a definition for anqa, which reads as follows: ʿanqā : '(fem. of aʿnaq , 'long-necked'; rt. ʿanq 'to be long in the neck'), s.m. A fabulous bird, the phœnix; a rara avis (syn. sīmurġh ); —adj. Scarce, rare, hard to get or find; wonderful, curious' (Platts p.766). So we've got a reliable source (Britannica) and a source of unclear reliability (Columbia, although it seems like it's quoting a third source, Platts, which is likely reliable) saying that they are synonyms, and no contemporary sources saying that they aren't synonyms. If you have modern reliable sources (non-English is fine) that argue that simorgh and anqa are two distinct concepts, they would help establish a case that these concepts should not be covered in the same article.

Moreover, it's a pretty common practice for Wikipedia articles about mythology to include mentions of similar concepts in various cultures. See Dragon, Ghost, Naga or Jinn for examples. In some cases, enough sources have been found discussing a given culture's specific version of a creature to meet notability guidelines and create an article (for example Dybbuk for ghosts in Jewish culture). In other cases, this threshold has not been met and all information is written in a section of the main article (such as the African folklore section of Ghost, or the Other traditions section of Naga). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 04:09, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Rosguill First of all there is no mention of Anqa anywhere in the Simurgh page. For the title of a page that redirects to another, at least that title should appear somewhere in the target page unless it is a direct translation/calque or etymologically related somehow, for example Drake and Dragon. Secondly, for example, the Dragon page has a section on the Japanese dragon but still the Japanese dragon has a page of its own.

Thirdly, the concept of Anqa is native to Arabian mythology and it was later identified with the Simurgh (which I mentioned in the "Identification" section) exactly how the Faun of Roman myth is identified with the Greek Satyr. They may be used synonymously but that does not mean they are the same. Ash wki (talk) 21:10, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for providing additional sources to the article. As it stands, I'm still uncertain whether the sources are enough to demonstrate that the subjects are independently notable (which would be required in order for your second or third point to be valid), but we at least have enough coverage in sources for me to want another new page reviewer weigh in on this as opposed to insisting on reverting here and now. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

What

I have many modern sources

I will send all source in talk-page

but it is still your Reliable source say that anqa has many radical differences with Simurgh

Simurgh is Peacock while Anqa is Heron

I think anqa is arabian version of phoenix not simurgh

I don't know why are confusing Simurgh with Phoenix, there are many radical differences, only common feature being mythical Avian

how is simurgh close to phoenix

أبو السعد 22 (talk) 12:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

What is the exact sources?

One source claims that Qazwini mentions that Anqa lives at Mount Qaf. Where exactly does he mention it? The given source is weak and not clear. 137.22.90.2 (talk) 18:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)