Talk:Anti-police sentiment

Article quality

The quality of the article has degraded a lot since the version that was nominated for deletion. It had issues around tone and style (being written more as a social sciences essay than an encyclopedia article), but I think there was far too much cut out.Citing (talk) 18:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

RfC at A.C.A.B.

More comments are requested at Talk:A.C.A.B.#Request for comment on text removed from ACAB article. 71.178.129.13 (talk) 03:44, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Scope

This article does not describe a common conception of "anti-police sentiment". It reads as a haphazard collection of incidents construed as anti-police, hence its geographic bias. If all we have for this topic are series of lists by country, then it would be sufficient to cover those major examples in, for instance, Police#Conduct, accountability and public confidence and country-specific subsections like Law enforcement in the United States#Controversies (I'd invite a less charged section title). In that case, this topic would either be merged or deleted. czar 08:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I posted about this above but the article was more coherent here, though it still had some issues from being written by a new editor as part of coursework. It then went through a rewrite that, in my opinion, did more harm than good. Citing (talk) 13:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I can see how that version is marginally more coherent, but it still has the same maintenance issue of being geographically limited to the United States. Is there a reason that draft's content wouldn't be sufficiently merged and covered within the U.S. policing article? czar 15:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Not disagreeing with you on the overall quality, but I don't see its US-centricism as a reason for merger. It also feels like a topic distinct from police misconduct. To paraphrase an AfD comment, it's not a great article, but it's not TNT-levels of bad. Citing (talk) 17:19, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

The case for merger is that the content would be better covered in each country's own article on policing and that there isn't a separate body of "anti-police sentiment by country" or "global anti-police sentiment" that would be covered as a singular encyclopedic article. I'm asking what scope is reasonably possible for this article, based on the available sourcing. czar 17:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

The case against is there are many, many sources on attitudes towards police internationally that could be used to expand this page ([1] [2] [3] [4], some scholar searches: [5] [6]), though maybe attitudes towards police would make more sense as a title. I think that would help define the scope of the article, keep the material here (rather than redirecting to an unrelated or America-focused article), and encourage expansion.Citing (talk) 19:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Every "attitudes towards..." article title we have on Wikipedia redirects to a target within the parent article. Before splitting out a separate article on attitudes towards police, summary style asks us to cover the topic within the parent article. I currently see little discussion of the topic in Police#Conduct, accountability and public confidence. All of the sources mentioned are regional in nature, covering police interactions in that locale, not describing a common body of knowledge independent from policing in general. I.e., at best we'd have an article similar to police with section breakdowns by nation (except specific to attitudes towards police in each region), which would duplicate content better housed in each individual article. For similar reasons, we don't split out a separate article on police demographics to create a list of respective demographics from each region's law enforcement.

I think it's unlikely that this article will be meaningfully expanded in the future, hence why I suggest merger to the respective, existing sections. But since there is disagreement, I'll leave that to someone else with interest. czar 17:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)