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Good Article

I think we should try to get this article to a Good Article standard.

Spareus151 19:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Arkoos and Mew

Does anyone think arkoos has some sort of relation to Mew? -- Lord Crayak

No, no more than is needed by the fact that Arkoos created the world, and presumably Mew. And it wouldn't matter if we did, per WP:OR. -Amarkov ^babble 00:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry but that is only a legend according to "Pokemon Legends". The strength of Arkoos is great in the game, but its background story is just exaggerated like most Pokemon. Hence, it doesn't necessarily mean that Arkoos created the world or is the most powerful Pokemon since Mew and Mewtwo are widely excepted as the most powerful Pokemon. In addition, clearer information will be provided about Arkooses in the 10th movie. It will distinctly provides facts and clear any myths about it. Furthermore, Mew has no connection to Arkoos, but since it contains the DNA of all Pokemon, it may have its abilities.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.0.140 (talk • contribs).

But, the 10th movie is going to feature Dialga and Palkia.67.87.66.127 12:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The game, manga, and anime (tied with the movies) are different continuities. I mean for goodness sake, Pikachu can defeat ground-type Pokemon with his electric attacks in the anime - that's totally impossible in the game. As far as the game goes, it seems Arseus is God, and thus the most powerful: both in descriptive text and stat potential. Nargrakhan 17:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually it used to be, in the old series. As far as I know, this has been fixed. SuperSonic 18:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

According to my page (and belief) Arkoos' egg shards turned into Mew, they are equal, blah blah blah. Arkoos493 (talk) 15:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC) HGSS

Obtaining method

Arkoos is obtained after fully completing the National Pokédex, not including any Special Event Pokémon. After talking to Professor Oak, he will give you an item. This will activate a special rock on Route 224, which will allow you to obtain Arkoos.

Is this even confirmed? Blue Mirage|SMOOORG!!! 06:21, 8 October 2006

Is Prof. Oak even in this game? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 06:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I can't imagine he isn't, he's been in every other game. Even if it was only in the intro for RSE. I don't think that whether or not he is in the game is a problem with this. The problem is that nobody has done it yet. -Amarkov ^babble 13:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it'll be obtained in a similar manner to rayquaza, getting a third version to itself. 84.67.131.217 20:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

More than not confirmed, its been disproven. At least without all the other unobtainables. 21:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC) 68.71.241.108

Oak is in the game. He gives you the National Dex after you complete the Shinou Dex. Squareenix

I don't beleive you should doubt Arkoos for a second! I beleive that Arkoos is the Ultimate God of all PKM, but what I dont Understand is y would they make Arkoos availible in the first two games and not the game that completes the first two games. If Mew contains the DNA of all the pokemon and Arkoos is said to have given some of his power to Mew then isn't it possible that some of Arkoos DNA might have been in that power? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arguntom (talk • contribs).

Actually you get an item from an event called Heaven's Pipe and you play it on the top of Tengan Mt. Then, a shining stair case appears, at the top is an Arseus at lvl. 80. The Phantomad 14:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Arkoos Is only available by getting the Heaven's pipe through a Nintendo event. Oak does not give it to you. 66.67.149.19 16:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

"ArKOOS"?

What, no "ArKOOS" jokes yet? Everyone who has edited this article must be either Japanese or American. =) JIP | Talk 07:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I never even thought about it until you brought it up. Sometimes I just want to kick vandals in the "Arceus". -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 07:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

There are Arceus jokes. Just none here. -Amarkov ^babble 14:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I had thought of one that ended in "Wipeus", but I didn't really think it suitable for Wikipedia. Just you wait, the vandals will appear. Double Dash ^{(Talk to me)} 21:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that in America, it only really works if we start calling it Arceus. --Brandon Dilbeck 19:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Where you live, maybe, but over here in San Jose it works just fine as it is. -Amarkov ^babble 23:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't get the joke. Voretus^talk 17:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The joke is that "arse" and "ass" are the same words. -SaturnMario screaming ^{THE VOICES} 18:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Right. Carry on, then! Voretus^talk 18:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me I am rather confused, is Arseus the God of the pokemon world, if so then what does that make Ho-oh and Mew?, and who came first? --Xer

Poké-underlings. Who knows??? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 04:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the chicken came before the egg. And Arseus is the chicken. Cipher ^(Yell) 23:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about the chicken egg. Because dinosaur eggs came before chicken eggs (as well as chickens). --Brandon Dilbeck 02:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Fine, he's the dinosaur. 99.244.171.114 23:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Arseus created Mew right after it was born and then it created 3 more Mew's which became those three mew like pokemon from Shinnouh of hope, dream and wisdom that embody the essence of life and then 2 more Mew's were created and they became the pokemon of time and space, and maybe after they created time and space Celebi was born and then Ho-oh, and Lugia, and then, Rayquaza, Kyogre and Groudon, and then Deoxis, and finally Ditto which led to basic evolution; BUT! where does that leave the Unown?????

...this isn't a place to post fan speculation. Blue Mirage | Comment 04:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree 2603:6011:6F02:636:7147:E8AA:1C2D:8509 (talk) 20:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Have any of you guys noticed that if Arseus's entire body is facing toward you, it looks like Speed Form Deoxys?67.87.66.127 20:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ugh. Someone made an "Arseus" joke, changing all of the names to "Arse". Oh well. Floramage! 15:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Arseus' name was revealed to Arceus, a slight little change there.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Earth205 (talk • contribs).

Yeah, Arceus in the English version.—ウルタプ 02:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone here watch man dj tv being why I typed in this catagory. A long running joke on his channel is him calling armies arkoos!

Picture?

14:41, 1 December 2006 216.11.82.90 (Talk) (Revert, what the hell??)
In response to my re-adding the Arkoos picture. I would like to know just exactly what the problem is with the picture.
-- M C Y 1008 22:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no problem. User has been warned for personal attacks. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 00:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Removals From the Characteristics

Back around Novemeber 5th or 6th, there were some characteristics removed. I was just wondering why, since they didn't seem to be bothering anything, and they just looked like food for thought. The specific references were making comparisons between Aruseus and the qilin, and also to the forest spirit from Princess Mononoke. I can understand the removal of the comparison to the cover of the 'pokemon jade' box, but the rest just seemed like it was removed unnecessarily. Os-osiris 15:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

It didn't have a source, so it was original research. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 15:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification, I hadn't realised it wasn't cited! Os-osiris 17:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Etymology

I just wanted to suggest the possibility that the name Arseus could be a portmanteau of the latin words Ars (art / technique), and Deus (God). I realize this is original research which is why I did not want to edit into the page just yet, but the possibility seems strong considering Arseus' role as the creator pokemon. At least I think it should be considered for when the etymology is added. Os-osiris 18:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool! Very smart! I think it may be a good idea to add it into the article. I don't think Zues is a part of the name, but a word that means "god"? I think that is much more likely. In my opinion, go ahead and do it! Floramage! 17:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

"Zeus" is actually very possible; in Japanese, Zeus is written "Zeusu" (not something like "Zuusu"...the Japanese are weird with ancient Greek), and "seusu" IS in Arseus's name (see rendaku for why "z" and "s" are somewhat interchangeable). But I'll admit I like ars and deus much better.—ウルタプ 00:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Still hard to say whether Zeus or Deus is the intended reference, but since they both originate from the same word "Dyeus", it is perhaps possible that they can both apply.Os-osiris 07:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It kind of has a ring to it, huh? "Arseus". Nice. Floramage! 20:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I have my own idea as to the origin of the name of arseus. Perhaps its comes from the word arch and deus. arch means high,and deus means god. It could refer to the fact that there are other gods in pokemon(such the psychic trio)and is the highest god of them all. Also, it could be a reference to the christian god, since being the highest god, it could be called the god of gods, and the christian god is often given titles such as the king of kings or lord of lords. Makes sense no? Zodiarkserpentarius, 7:28 Pm 18 march 2007

That's also very possible. The origin of Arch being Arc, and since Arceus is being reported as the official english name by pe2k, it would appear to be the direction the translators chose.Os-osiris 07:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I was wandering through the Latin Wikipedia when I came upon the page for rainbow. Arcus. First thought was "Arceus," so I edited the article to reflect the possible connection, due to the fact that, using the plates, Arceus is, indeed, all types, thusly, a rainbow Pokemon. I had a total breakdown of grammar and syntax at the end and didn't finish the sentence well, if someone would like to change that. --Cage 17:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Erm... Its based on *Arc*hangel Ze*us*

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Absol vs. Arseus

I was wondering. If you fully trained Absol to the max without the us, it's attack could be greater than most of Arseus's stats. Is that why they could be rivals?

Um... That's true of many Pokemon. 120 base is only high if it's in everything. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 03:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Arseus is the creator of all pokemon and he could beat any of them The only one that might be abel to deafet him is mewtwo—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.236.22.8 (talk) 01:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

For one, Aruseus is among the Ubers. But it's nowhere near being the Uber pokemon. Consider it a slightly weaker Alakazam with higher defenses, or a slightly less-sturdy Yonoir with higher offenses, or possibly even a slower Ninjask with better all-around stats. The straight 120s make it extremely flexible, but it also inhibits it from being as potentially useful as, say, a sweeping Groudon, or a tanking Lugia. That's basically my long-winded way of answering your question as, "No, they're not rivals." You Can't See Me! 08:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Arceus, while the god, is not the best. Straght 120's make him vurnable! sheesh. HGSS out! Arceus493 (talk) 15:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)HGSS

???-Type Arseus?

There is a sprite of Arseus in the Bulbapedia Image Archives of Arseus being a ???-type[1]. Is this real? 67.87.66.127 00:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it was ripped from the games themselves. Either it's an error handler or some secret unobtainable form, as there is no plate for it to hold to make it transform into that. But it is indeed the ???-type. DanPMK 21:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Ugh... come on, people. The image [2]on the Bulbapedia Image Archives is of Arseus with the Larva Plate attached as a held item. See this page [3]... Please do more research before making ridiculous claims of there being a ???-type plate. -- The M.P. 03:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

…we're saying there isn't a ???-type plate…that's why it's weird there's a SPRITE for a ???-type Arseus. (See Psypoke - Picture Dex :: #493 - Aruseusu then click for the "unknown" sprite set.) Also, your "Larva Plate" argument is nil. Arseus's ring (and "trim", for lack of a better term) is a yellowish-green.—ウルタプ 04:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

i don't think that DanPMK should be so sure of himself, my first reaction would be that someone merely recolored a sprite, indeed it would be easy to do for Arseus because the rest of it is white and when you apply hue changes to an image, white and black are unaffected. I could make a GIF that has Arseus go through all it's colors and then upload it saying it's a RAINBOW-type Arseus. 9/10 times when it's seems weird it's a hoax -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 17:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. You guys appear to be partly right. The sprite is, indeed, ripped from the game, and is not actually Arseus with the Larva Plate attached. Furthermore, it's not a recoloring, as I had suspected, but not voiced. On the other hand, I highly doubt that this sprite is of a ???-type Arseus. The reasons? There is a shiny form of it, making this Arseus the only Pokémon with an alternate form aside from a shiny form (and apparently this form of Arseus also has a shiny form). My second reason for doubting a ???-type Arseus, is because the ??? type has never been used for attacks (aside from a status inducing/set damage inflicting one), and as a result, has no type matchups, meaning that we have no idea what type the ??? type is super effective against, not very effective against, or weak to. What do you say to that? -- The M.P. 19:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

... This just occurred to me. Seeing as Arseus is a legendary Pokémon, this possibility didn't cross my mind earlier. Could this be the male/female sprite of Arseus (because, of course, we didn't consider that the sprite we usually associate with the normal Arseus could be the male/female sprite), and, perhaps, the sprites are the same for the plate forms? I'm aware that none of the true legendaries have ever had genders, but maybe this time... -- The M.P. 20:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

No offense, but your "shiny ???-type makes no sense"...er, makes no sense. ALL the forms have shiny sprites.—ウルタプ 20:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

erm... I don't believe anyone ever said "shiny ???-type makes no sense". At least I didn't. Seeing as this strange form of Arseus has a shiny version, something I actually mentioned already, btw, I don't see how you could be directing that edit at me. -- The M.P. 15:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It would make sense that even though you can't GET a ??? type Arseus, they'd still have to make a sprite for it as the ??? type is still coded into the game, it isn't obtainable without a Gameshark I presume, and then it would probably not have weaknesses OR resistances... yeah, I'm through. The Phantomad 15:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I figure that maybe ??? was going to be designed as a type with no strengths or weaknesses. The Plate would likely be very well-hidden, since it would make Arceus an ultimate type. Heck, maybe they even left the ??? Plate in the game since no one would find it, as unlikely as it is.--Shroopliss 20:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

According to Serebii. net, Arceus actually is a normal type, but when given a plate such as the Larva plate mentioned earlier, it changes its type, (for example, when Arceus is given a Larva plate, it changes into a bug-type, and so on.)although whether this is true is debatable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Earth205 (talk • contribs)

It is true. That's kind of its main premise.—ウルタプ 03:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahem... I did some research. It appears that in Pokémon G/S/C, the first game that the ??? type appeared in, of course, the ??? type was, in fact, programmed as a possible attack type (obviously). Now to my point -- the developers neglected to program the ??? type as a Pokémon type. I would assume that this would be the same for Pokémon D/P. If there does happen to be a ??? type Pokémon type in D/P, though, we'd be seeing either no type matchups whatsoever, or a glitch. I, for one, am still not convinced that there is a ??? type Arceus (yes, people. Please call it Arceus, the U.S. name). If the ??? type was intentionally included in the games, it would defeat the purpose of Judgement Pebble because the ??? type has no type matchups. If it wasn't intentionally put in the game, well, we wouldn't have this sprite of the alleged ???-type Arceus. -- The M.P. 23:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe someone should just take a cheat device and try to mess with one got from the NWFC? Cage 18:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC) I am not. For one, I have no Arceus. And two, I SHALL NOT HAVE A GAMESHARK OR ANOTHER CHEAT DEVICE! I swor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arceus493 (talk • contribs) 15:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Image

Is that seriously official art? It looks like some kid traced it or gave the sprite a blow-up and makeover...—ウルタプ 04:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Seriously! It looks like total crap! I REALLY hope that isn't official... Floramage! 05:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

no it;s not the official art, it is currently still unavailable. If anyone happens to find a full body picture, leave the link and i can upload it. -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 17:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Are we talking about the sprite that's currently used in the article? It's the same picture that's used in the video games. --Brandon Dilbeck 18:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

A few days ago someone replaced the sprite with a crappy hand-drawn image. The sprite was reinstated.—ウルタプ 18:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Missing essential information about Arseus?

Shouldn't the article have some discussion of Arseus being a "god" pokemon or having "created the world" or being the "creator" pokemon? Why does the article make no mention of this when the talk page does? --Wykypydya 05:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It sure was there at one point...I'm too lazy to go through the history, but it was probably deleted by a vandal and overlooked by a good editor or something.—ウルタプ 06:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I commented it out because it wasn't sourced. The Mew thing seemed pretty weird... I started putting (most of) it back in, though ('cause the Pokédex translations at Bulbapedia corroborate the statements, mostly), and Wykypydya beat me to it. :P Is there anything that says that thing about Mew, though, 'cause that part seems like OR.—M_C_Y_1008 (^talk/_contribs) 16:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

On a mildly related note, does anyone have a transcript of all the text found on the back of the plates? Cage 18:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

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Protection

Can I ask why the article has been semi-protected? There doesn't seem to be the vandalism to warrant it. --Brandon Dilbeck 06:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's to stop new users from changing "Arseus" to "Arceus".- Floramage! 15:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

... to tell the truth, frankly, the new users are appearing smarter than whoever locked this article from new user editing. At least right now. "Arceus" as opposed to "Arseus" is the official U.S. name. Now, if that someone or at least a person with authority lifted that lock, they would be doing themselves or another person a favor by not making themselves look ingnorant, and truly, not worthy to be working on this article. -- The M.P. 19:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Sweetie, sorry to burst your bubble, but "Arceus" has yet to be confirmed. Until someone is able to prove that it is the official English name, it will be the new users who look ignorant, not the person or people who locked the page. I'd love for you to cite the official source of Arseus' true, English, and confirmed name. (Serebii.net and other fansites do not count as actual sources.) Have fun, honey.- Floramage! 19:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't write in a provocative manner. I've not the patience for it. Anyhow, the name "Arseus" was an early name misunderstanding, and it is now understood (by some, at least) that "Arceus" is the official U.S. name. Furthermore, would you care to cite a reliable source that directly or indirectly states that the name of our Pokémon here is "Arseus", or are you accepting Wikipedia as a reliable source, which obviously is not? To continue, how can rules that you make up apply to Wikipedia? serebii.net and other fansites (depending on the reliability of these sites, of course) can and do "count as an actual source." If several fansites known to be reliable in the past support consistent material, they simply must be trusted. Building on that, I'm sure you'd be happy to know that I've found several reliable sites supporting my "claim", if you will. See the following: [4], [5], [6], and [7]. Not to mention bulbapedia.net also acknowledges arceus' name as "arceus", although even I wouldn't count bulbapedia.net as a particularly reliable source. Now that you've seen the evidence, you can't just blow it off because they're fansites and continue to be ignorant, can you? I'd like to see your answer. -- The M.P. 23:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Your problem is, you're citing fansites which fail WP:RS and WP:ATT since they are self-published and have no independent fact-checking source. When the English name is OFFICIALLY confirmed by Nintendo of America, we will change it to reflect the official US name. Until then, these fansites don't cut the mustard as they all fail RS and ATT. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 01:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Jeske Couriano brings up a good point. They are only fansites created by fans and are not in collaboration with Nintendo. Unless Pokemon.com states that "Arceus" is the actual, official English name, it cannot and should not be placed in the article. There simply is no proof. If its announced as official, fine. Then you were right. But at the very least, you should acknowledge the fact that we Wikipedians that are part of the Pokémon Collaborative Project are following the rules that apply to editing articles. Is that truly being ignorant? I don't believe it is; we all know that the name was leaked to several fansites and no one denies that, but the fact of the matter is, sweetie, that there's no solid evidence besides those rumors that the names are real for any of the 4th Generation Pokémon. So calm down and be kinder and more respectful to others. We are only trying to make this and several other articles as accurate as possible. So don't you go around calling anyone but yourself ignorant. And also: "Please don't write in a provocative manner"? What in the world are you referring to? "Sweetie" and "Honey"? That's simply how I speak and it just so happens that is how I type and write to others as well. Hmph.- Floramage! 04:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It may be how you type personally, but it's still provocative to others. Please understand that! Voretus 05:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Arceus, n00b!!

Seriously! CHECK SEREBII.NET!! If we could just follow their updates here, pokelife here would be SOOOO much easier! But, on a less anarchist note, NOOBS! Don't just blatently edit the article, thinking you know it's right! Listen to Aretha, it's called "R-E-S-P-E-C-T"!!!!! >_<—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Teh Winrar (talk • contribs) 21:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, CHECK RELIABLE SOURCES AND CIVILITY! -`Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 22:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Check wikt:blatantly, too. :) – mcy1008 (talk) 00:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Do Tell...

Right. Seeing as one of my questions has failed to be answered in the topic 'Protection', though I've asked twice, I'll continue to persist by asking it again in a topic where I can expect to receive an answer, instead of blatant ignorance. Can anyone explain to me the merits of titling this article 'Arseus'? By now, you can most likely tell that this is a rhetorical question. Anyhow, if those of you who refuse to call 'Arceus' 'Arceus' can't confirm that the name is indeed 'Arseus' by means of a source that meets the WP:RS and WP:ATT guidelines, can't you admit, we currently have a problem? I suggest we wait until the release of D/P. If the name, by some unlikely chance, is 'Arseus', nothing's wrong, and I'm wasting your time. If the name is 'Arceus', though, this article will be renamed and moved elsewhere, and the lock preventing new users from editing this article will be removed. Absolutely no exceptions. In fact, I'd like an apology from some of you for being unreasonably ignorant if the name is 'Arseus', but I can't make you. After all, it's generally accepted, even now that the name is 'Arceus'. If the official U.S. name is 'Arceus', one can derive that an official source released the name before the release of D/P, meaning that your claims of the impossibility of confirming the name 'Arceus' were, emphatically, untrue, making you ignorant, despite your wishes otherwise. With that, I expect answers only from anyone replying -- not any indignant defenses of your reputation. I already proved that those of you who believe the name is 'Arseus' are, in fact, ignorant, if the name is 'Arceus'. -- The M.P. 01:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

...because Arseus is what's official in Japan. We're not moving because whether it is or not, Serebii et al are not giving us proper sources to allow moves to Arceus.

In any case, is it so difficult to wait 12 days when it'd be alright to move it no matter what?—ウルタプ 01:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

On another slightly related note, I noticed that this article, along with many others, has no source on the names that are given. It might be given somewhere that this Pokemon is called Arseus, but where? Calling it Arseus right now seems just as unsourced as calling it Arceus is. Can someone add a source? Voretus 21:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Not to be condescending, but you honestly didn't know that these are Nintendo's trademark names?--Tempest115 22:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

... We all know very well that we're discussing "Nintendo's trademark names". Would you mind elaborating on who that edit was directed at? Anyhow, the ironic thing right now is that there is no confirmation by any stretch of the imagnation that the name in Japanese versions is 'Arseus'. A simple translation's not going to cut it -- especially by Wikipedia's standards. Voretus argued the same point that I've been trying to make all along. I liked the part where he said, "Calling it Arseus right now seems just as unsourced as calling it Arceus is."... -- The M.P. 22:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The use of the word "you" was inappropriate, as it was meant to inform the general public. If I remebr correctly thought, Nintendo trademarks the official romanizations of Japanese Pokèmon names. So these names are the official translations.--Tempest115 22:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Right, I'm not denying that at all, I'm just asking for sources. Voretus 14:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Why is this such a problem? There's no point in moving the article from "Arseus" to "Arceus" if it ends up being incorrect. If it indeed is confirmed that the name is "Arceus", whoop-dee-doo. Congratulations. All of you fighting for "Arceus" were correct. Yay. But what if you're wrong? Then we'd have to move the article AGAIN and change all the "Arceus"s into "Arseus"s. It's not blatant ignorance, it is the fact that Serebii.net does NOT cite its sources.- Floramage! 15:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Why is this article at Arseus instead of Aruseusu? Voretus 16:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The something Romanization or something...- Floramage! 19:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The Hepburn Romanization. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 19:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

That's what it is! Seriously, it was on the bloody tip of my tongue! Heh, thanks!- Floramage! 23:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Null perspiration, chummer. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 23:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why some still fail to understand what I'm saying. We all wait until the official U.S. name is and can be confirmed. When it is, if the name is 'Arseus', everything stays the same. If the name is 'Arceus', everything is moved and we change all of the names to 'Arceus'. Why don't we all shut up and wait? That will effectively eliminate all of this mindless pettiness. I already feel sick. -- The M.P. 20:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I simply want to thank you all for your cooperation in many ways. -- The M.P. 23:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Please!!

Can we just wait! We don't know if Serebii's right or not!!Sonic,Pikachu,and Snorunt 19:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Erm, we already are waiting. And it doesn't matter if Serebii is right or not; they won't reveal where they get their information. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 19:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Check youtube

they have video of a guy catchin him in english ver —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.58.202.234 (talk) 22:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

But what does that prove? Bupkus. Ever heard of a GameShark or other cheat device? -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 22:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

If it were being USED by the video's creator, maybe. But I doubt that an AR can alter a foe's name (however it's programmed). Blue Mirage | Comment 08:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

You are unable to use a gameshark or other cheating device for the Nintendo DS yet. The only way that that could have happened is if the player put in a cheat code in the cheat code option in the game. R d the savior 19:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Um. Maybe not Gameshark but there certainly is Action Replay for the DS. Which is also a cheating device. There is no "cheat code option" in the game independently.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 19:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

After some checking I confir with you in saying that there is a cheat device. Also in some games like Pokemon Ranger there is a cheat code option. R d the savior 19:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Ranger is the exception. None of the main games or console games (R/B/Y/G/S/C/Ru/Sa/Em/FR/LG/D/P/Col/XD/Stadium I & II) have cheat-code options. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 20:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

What about the Wonder Mail Generator in Pokemon MD I use it to get all kinds of stuff. -Fear teh Happy! 22:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Is PMD a "main game"? -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 01:41, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Fixes

I attempted to edit and shorten up this page, cutting out needless information (which mostly just details how Arceus looks) yet it seems protected. Why is that? Do we really need so much clutter? We know what Arceus looks like. No reason to put it into a multi-paragraph format. EDIT: I've cleaned it up again and I would appreciate if it stayed this way. It's much cleaner and far less cluttered with description on appearance (though much of it has remained.) - Ainote

Agreed. A lot of that information is useless (comparing it to other pokemon, come on now). There's still a lot of clutter that needs to be rid of. -KingsAce

Arseus Leader of the legendary trio?

its a supposition ,according to the information he created the three then techically he is the leader of the three right? Envy

Yes Arceus did create Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. It says so ingame. Mr. Duckie 13:51, May 30 2007 (UTC)

That does not, however, make him the leader de facto. For example, one could argue Creationism, but creatures don't often listen to their "creator". -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 00:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

BUT ACCORDING TO THIS INFORMATION THEY OBEY HIM SO THAT MAKE THEIR LEADER Envy

Where does it say that? As I said above, just because he created them doesn't mean he automatically controls them. Hell, look at Inevitables, the arguments for Creationism, and Robotron: 2084. Also, please stay civil. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 03:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

oh sorry i accidentaly was tipyin with capital letters sorry if i anoy you..........

'Salright. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 20:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Forms

Shouldn't pictures of all, or at least one of the alternate forms be shown? I have all the sprites btw.(Darkraider9 01:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC))

Pretty crufty, and probably gets very close to violating fair use. I think readers being informed of the fact Arceus can change types depending on its Plate will satisfy most.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Why, Exactly, Was Etymology Removed?

Was there simply too much data? Were people divided as to a "more valid" possibility? Were there simply no sources whatsoever?

No sources. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 17:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Another Story.

I forget where exactly but I ran across another story in-game somewhere that I think referenced Arceus. It was about some guy with a sword who went around cutting up Pokemon and eating them (I'm not joking around it said something like "he feasted on the Pokemon"). But then, a Pokemon spoke to him and punished him or something like that. Is this mentioning Arceus, or another Pokemon?

Also, in Pokemon Battle Revolution, those green spots on it's cheaks appear to "blink" when Arceus blinks. Plus, it does not appear that Arceus has a mouth.

And is the Church/Temple in Hearthome City built to honor Arceus? Because the stained glass window appears to be showing a light atop Mt. Coronet about or above the Spear Pillar. If it is, then that should probably be referenced when describing Arceus as a "diety".

209.240.206.201 02:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I personally think it's meant to honor either him or the beings he directly spawned. I also doubt the second story intends Arceus; it could very well mention Giratina or any of the Enlightened (Uxie, Agnome, Mesprit). -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 03:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How strange on the first one I placed in all the Sinnoh legendaries in that story and Darkrai made the most sense... Seeing how that Darkrai vanished to New Moon Isle. -Fear teh Happy! 22:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking...

In the fifth generation, will we find out about what happened before Arceus? Also, I think mew's relation to Arceus is probably that mew was created soon after Palkia, Uxie, etc. From mew spawned all other pokemon. I dunno, it'd be a lot better if the fifth generation ended up tying all these games together.

Redirecting

According to the Pokemon List to do list, each pokemon should start getting their own page agian. I'll begin deleting the redirect and will put something on the list pointing to the new article. Who knows? Maybe we could get this article to Good or FA. I'll also begin adding the talk page items for most Pokemon article talk-pages. Dylanlip 17:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

How about reading the Pokemon list for the last few Pokemon. The to-do list on the talk page says to split into seperate articles. If you continue to delete data and information, I will report your activity to the PokeProject. This is a warning. Follow the to-do list. Dylanlip 15:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I dunno about every PKMN having a page... they do it on Bulbapedia, but still... I know I made the Rotom page, but still... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arceus493 (talk • contribs) 15:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Art

Sugimori released Pokémon Platinum promotional artwork for Arceus and it's official, so anyone want to upload one? —WIKIPEDIAN Penguin ^(♫♫) 23:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Pokemon X and Y (6th Generation)

Hello everybody! with the introduction of Mega Evolutions in Pokémon X and Y, Mewtwo holding a Mewtwonite Y or a Mewtwonite X has higher base stats total than Arceus. Should Arceus still be considered as the strongest Pokémon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Light-x (talk • contribs) 16:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I dont think so... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.52.198 (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

References

Reviewer note

This page has more information than some of the other existing Pokemon articles. This species appears to be the creator god of the Pokemon fictional universe and is therefore more notable in-universe than the other species. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:51, 22 January 2019 (UTC) Arceus created the universe and is very important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikavoom (talk • contribs) 07:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2020

The pronunciation is ar-kee-us, not ar-see-us MysticalWereWolf (talk) 18:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Speech synthesis software used on the Japanese text would seem to disagree. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 18:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2020

Arceus pronunciation is incorrect, you should include other pronunciations like arkeus or arkoose Rishiht (talk) 18:25, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Per the previous request too... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

It has become a popularized pronunciation and a lot of people have debated that Arkoose could serve as an official pronunciation. KendrickDangah (talk) 09:44, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2020

Change the pronunciation ar-see-us to ar-kee-us (anime and Pokemon company both pronounce it like that) 173.72.7.206 (talk) 01:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:35, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2020

ARK-ee-us to Ark-key-us 2001:4454:561:CD00:E811:4CE:4EB5:2AE3 (talk) 05:06, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jack Frost (talk) 09:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2020

In line one the pronounciation is listed as "ARK ee us" when it is actually pronounced "Ark oos" as shown in both the pokemon anime, pokemon talk, and the official pokemon reddit as it was changed to mach the more common pronounciation. WillJukes (talk) 11:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Here is the English pronunciation in the show. If you can link to a Japanese pronunciation we can include both of them. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:56, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I have seen dozens of these complaints on the site and agree that Arkoose could be added to the list of Official pronunciations. KendrickDangah (talk) 09:46, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

Arceus pronunciation, as per the anime, is Ar-KEY-us 74.101.225.156 (talk) 09:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Not according to the link in the above section. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

A popularized pronunciation

A new trend that was started by non other than Mandjtv has become extremely popular with Pokemon fans. Some even going to the extent of trying to make it one of the official pronunciations.

SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS KendrickDangah (talk) 09:43, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Sources? Pikavoom (talk) 07:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2020

Remove line from second paragraph of Design and Characteristics section which states "However this is a big misconception. Arceus created its own three worlds. Arceus's world, Palkias world, and finally Dialgas world." The information is unsourced, seems like original research, and directly contradicts the previous sentence which does have a citation listed. 184.186.197.37 (talk) 20:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done. The info was added by an IP (diff). I think they're poking at dimensions in Pokemon. However, I couldn't find an reliable source referencing this or that Arceus actually created the dimensions at all. If anyone has a reliable source, feel free to add it back in. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:43, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

The Pronunciation

So the pronunciation has actually varied over the years. In Pokémon Battle Revolution, it was said Ar-SEE-us, but more recently in Arceus and the Jewel of Life, Pokédex 3D Pro and Hoopa and the Clash of Ages, They said Ar-KEY-us. I’m not that good with English pronunciations in grammatical forms. So I was just wondering about that. TheJefMan (talk) 14:41, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

We can't include anything about pronunciations without sources. Juxlos (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020

Yaviltal (talk) 21:31, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

arceus is pronounced as (ar-coos) so fix it

 Not done: Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:51, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2020

Change pronouncement to Ar Koos 2601:249:B00:F1C:599E:C23F:D633:3D26 (talk) 20:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

No. That's the romanization of Arceus you see in the first sentence. Also, please get a source of the pronunciation.Crboyer (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2020

BryantM274 (talk) 03:40, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Arceus needs to be arcoos because of mandjtv you fool it is arcoos and the eeveltal needs to be yaveltal also go subscribe to his channel also I am good kid but I like arcoos and mandjtvs channel so I want it to be arcoos I know that it can't be but that's cool but still I would like it to be

See above – Thjarkur (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2021

you missed spelled arceus it arcoos 24.142.191.243 (talk) 14:12, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: see above Cannolis (talk) 16:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

It’s arkoos not arkeus or arceus

It’s arkoos guys 67.243.0.110 (talk) 20:30, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I 100% agree that it's arkoos and not arkeus or arceus ESWtv (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2023 (UTC)