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Crossover Sources

Do the press releases for The CW go into detail about guest characters? If they do then can they be used as sources for the crossover appearances. If not then can reviews or recaps be used to source it. As long as they are reliable of course.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 22:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Most sourcing for all of these are already on Arrow or The Flash's pages. Just didn't bring them over yet. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Criteria for mainspace inclusion

What is going to be the criteria to move it to the mainspace?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I think everyone can discuss it. Like what exactly is covered? Do we take a "MCU" approach where each film/TV series has a 3 paragraph structure of a) simple plot b) development c) connective material? Do we have all that info, but spread out in various other sections? Do we include some type of cross over cast table, or use something like I initially created? I think once we determine that, get it structured and c/e edited to our liking, we could maybe move it to the mainspace. The sources and notability I believe are definitely there to be passable for a mainspace article. It just has to be created. Does that help answer your question? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

My thoughts on this... I wouldnt include Supergirl or other potential series until they are actually confirmed to be connected... the potential Ray Palmer series actually became the team-up show... But I also question whether "The Arrow Universe" is an appropriate title for the page... has it been called that in any reliable sources? Perhaps "The CW DC Television Universe" or something like that? Not really wild about that name just throwing out another suggestion.. I don't know... but "Arrow Universe" doesn't seem right to me. Spanneraol (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to move all of this conversation over to the draft talk page. Again, I just got the ball rolling and am open to crafting this with everyone. I also agree on the title, but just needed something to start this up. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Just as a suggestion for moving it to the main space, how about if the teamup show becomes a thing and is released. I would say 3 live action and 1 animated would be enough to warrent a page, especially considering all of the crossovers they seem to like to do.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 22:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

My question is because unless there is reliable sources discussing the universe, having notable shows exist in the same universe does not make the universe itself notable. The notability guideline discusses that individual entities do not make a sum notable. So, we need to worry more about finding sources to expand on the idea of the universe, and worry less about how many "existing" shows need to occur before we can move it into the mainspace. If the page is just going to be a general housing of all the connected shows, then a navigation box can easily do that for us, because we don't need to repeat ourselves on every show page and then again on a central page. My fear is the page just becomes a housing ground for giants lists of who appears where. That's why I'm asking us to understand when it should move, but I can see a rush to push it into the mainspace (not that you personally would just rush in Favre) just because there are several inter-connected shows, but when no one has actually commented on the universe itself (Spanneraol touches on this when it's assumed to call it the "Arrow universe").  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I understand that concern 100% Bignole, and hope to prevent it from that, but just make the draft a nurturing space. I just had a general concept of what the article could be the other day and just wanted to get it crafted somewhere. :) I'm not looking for this to be a couple of days editing thing and then it's ready. It will probably be time, maybe until the team up series is released, and a bunch of coverage (hopefully) on the universe is released. And if acceptable with those involved here thus far, can we start moving this over to the Draft talk? Just so all of this (very necessary info) is there for when we need it, and we don't have to look through The Flash archives? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I know you get that. And yes, this should all go over to that page. :)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

If there aren't any objections, would anyone be opposed to me copy and pasting the discussion, starting with Bignole's first comment, over to the Draft talk? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:02, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

@Bignole, Spanneraol, and Ditto51: Just wanted you to know we are now at this talk. Feel free to continue discussing, or make changes to the draft if you aren't liking something, or think of something better. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Isnt the universe called The Arrowverse??

The shared universe is being called by both fans and gaming news sites as the arrowverse. Even Greg Berlanti called it the Arrowverse in an interview about The possibility of Supergirl crossing over "into the Arrowverse". I know this is still a draft, but still.The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 06:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Untitled spin-off series draft

OK I created a draft page for the spin off series. here is the link: Draft:Untitled Arrow/Flash spin-off, feel free to change add and do whatever you wantThe Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 20:11, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Shared Elements Section

Should we right down which series are crossing over or something? As with Vixen and the spin-off series, it will be harder to tell which series everyone comes from if you only watch one of the four.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 13:21, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Define "crossing over".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Crossing over as in say Barry appearing on Arrow or Oliver appearing on Flash. With another 2 shows it may get even more confusing as to where some characters are crossing over from, especially since Heat-Wave and Stein started on Flash and are going to the spin-off and Atom started on Arrow, so where would they be marked as crossing over from?

Something else I just thought of as well, if Heat-Wave appears in a rouge-centric episode on the Flash, would that be a crossover like Oliver appearing on the Flash? Or would it just be considered a recurring character thing?

Overall that table will get confusing, fast and it will have to be decided if a character returns to their starting show, would it be added to the table or not?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 15:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Personally, because of all that, I would say that we shouldn't be chronicling cross-overs to that detail. I think acknowledging crossovers between series should be enough, because this page needs to be based on the universe as a whole and not individual links within the universe. If you're going to do a table, I would think that you would have a list of characters on the left column, and then going across you could just list the different shows with a "yes" or "no" for whether they have crossed over period. This, instead of listing every single crossover event would be easier to navigate and easier to update than trying to micromanage every single appearance in each series.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

That could also get messy though... We could always do something like what has been done here and then just keep that section for the official crossovers they want to do every season.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 15:45, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't like the season bit, because that will just become too cumbersome when you have 3 and 4 shows with multiple seasons. If you took that example, and removed the seasons and leave it as simply the shows across the top, then that is what I was referring to.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:03, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I see your point... This is what it looks like (roughly) right now with my method: User:Ditto51/List of Arrowverse actors. I wonder if yours would work better. Do you know any page with that type of thing that I can borrow the code of to make a mock up version of what it would be?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 16:21, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Poroboros: Have you got any other colours you could use for that, because they just clash and look horrible.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 16:29, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ditto51: Ok, got you. how about these. a little lighter green and a little darker yellow.The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 16:37, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I feel like the Flash colour should be red and arrow green (which you have done, although I will admit I don't like it). I have tried something. The only problem with your idea is when we have say Oliver and Barry appear in the same episode of Vixen or if two shows collide.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 17:07, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

To be fair, it was along those colours I wanted to use, I just don't know my way around the colour coding to make them brighter--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 17:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

What I'll also mention is that this still doesn't answer how to deal with recurring characters being spun-off and then returning, such as Heat-Wave and Captain Cold, as they don't have a backdoor pilot where as Barry was intended to have one.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 17:07, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

That's why I suggested my solution to the table, because we wouldn't need to worry about that level of detail. We could just say they have appeared in Show X, and Show Y, and Show Z. I think we can avoid worrying about the capacity, and what season they appeared for simplicities sake. I don't have a suggested page, because I don't think that people have done that before.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:12, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

This color pallet swap was just an idea. I like @Ditto51:´s idea about the table of characters that crossover. I think we should go with that, but not right now. there are still ONLY 2 shows in the arrowverse. vixen premieres in fall and the untitled show next year, so it isnt necessary to include them yet The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 17:19, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Bignole: I think whoever played Happy in the Iron Man films may have what you are looking for. Have a look to be sure and I can see if I can work on something. @Poroboros: I think it would be nice to have it sorted for when Vixen comes out. (And isn't the spin-off set for 2015-16 (so this year) as such it will also debut in the fall.

The table can stay for now, what I want is something ready for when the others are all added because otherwise that table will grow in size and also become extremely messy.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 17:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with the red and the green but I think the yellow is too bright (or sharp, or something) when compared to the green and red. Can it be turned down slightly?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 17:27, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ditto51: ok, no problem. this one good???The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 17:31, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm okay with it (kinda), but does it have to be yellow?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 17:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ditto51: well, no it doesnt have to be yellow. I just switched the flash color with the official crossover one. it can remain yellow or a different color. change it if you want another colorThe Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 17:40, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Leave it as it is then I guess. If it is only going to continue until we get to Vixen and the spin-off then it won't effect much anyway (Especially as it will be on break between seasons until then).--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 17:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Bignole: Did you mean something like what is in Jon Favreau's filmography section? Because that could work. Although I like my idea for the time being, at least for the next television year. @Favre1fan93:, you created the page for the Marvel TV shows, what do you think about it for this? The outcome may weigh in on any change over there further down the line when it becomes impossible to use the table due to the increasing number of seasons.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 18:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, something like that, where "Role" is replaced with the specific series. If we're dealing with 3 or more series, than it'll be too large to keep track of seasonal appearances. With 2 shows, it's easier, but beyond that it'll get complicated really quick.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I say leave it as it is until the fall season starts, and then change to mine (maybe) before transitioning over to yours next year, that way we get to try and keep a detailed table for longer.

On a seperate note, I feel like if we went with yours then we would need to make sure that most crossovers are explained so that each crossing over character has at least one example from at least two series (preferably all) that they have been in.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 18:54, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Keeping in mind that I haven't filled in the empty cells on the end yet, my table looks like it will last us for at least the next television season. What about on other people's browsers?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 18:58, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ditto51: I am for the table we just filled up. lets leave the color table at the Draft page up until the 2015/2016 season. after the season begins we can link it on the pageThe Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 19:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I think it's fine at the moment with 2 shows, but beyond that it'll get too much. What it could ultimately look like is this:

Character	Series Appearance				Notes
	Arrow	The Flash	Vixen	All-Star Team-up
Oliver Queen / Arrow	Yes	Yes	Yes	No	Series regular for Arrow
Felicity Smoak	Yes	Yes	No	No	Series regular for Arrow
John Diggle	Yes	Yes	No	No	Series regular for Arrow
Laurel Lance / Black Canary	Yes	Yes	No	No	Series regular for Arrow
Captain Quentin Lance	Yes	Yes	No	No	Series regular for Arrow
Barry Allen / Flash	Yes	Yes	Yes	No	Series regular for The Flash
Cisco Ramon	Yes	Yes	No	No	Series regular for The Flash
Dr. Caitlin Snow	Yes	Yes	No	No	Series regular for The Flash
William Tockman	Yes	Yes	No	No	Guest character
Royal Flush Gang	Yes	Yes	No	No	Guest characters
Ray Palmer / Atom	Yes	Yes	No	Yes	Series regular for All-Star Team-Up
Leanard Snart / Captain Cold	No	Yes	No	Yes	Series regular for All-Star Team-Up
Mick Rory / Heat Wave	No	Yes	No	Yes	Series regular for All-Star Team-Up
Sara Lance / Canary	No	Yes	No	Yes	Series regular for All-Star Team-Up
Dr. Martin Stein	No	Yes	No	Yes	Series regular for All-Star Team-Up

Obviously, the more shows that come out the easier this type of table will be to update. It's not super comprehensive now, but it's a basic idea of what we can expect if Vixen and the ASTU show happen.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:24, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi all. I never got the ping notification Ditto gave me above. But I like Big's idea, though remove the "notes" column and put one next to the character titled "originated" (or the like) so we can say where the character first appeared. Then readers can go to respective character articles or sections for more. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Also, add an actor column, and instead of removing notes, maybe make that one a "refs" column. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:53, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ditto51: and @Bignole: Why not both??????? Why dont we add this table that Big made on the official Arrowverse page, and the page that Ditto51 and I filled up at List of Arrowverse actors could be linked above the table like: Further information at "List of Arrowverse Actors". we could do both.The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 06:47, 11 April 2015 (UTC

Why not both? Probably because the one in my sandbox will begin getting too crowded, espcially since characters will need seperate cells if they are a regular in one series and then guest in the next.

Anyway, I tidyed up the table slightly:

Character	Actor	First Appearance	Series crossovers				Ref
			Arrow	The Flash	Vixen	All-Star Team-up
Oliver Queen / Arrow	Stephen Amell	Arrow	Regular	Guest
Felicity Smoak			Regular[1]	Guest
John Diggle			Regular	Guest
Laurel Lance / Black Canary			Regular	Guest
Captain Quentin Lance			Regular	Guest
Barry Allen / Flash			Guest	Regular	Guest
Cisco Ramon			Guest	Regular
Dr. Caitlin Snow			Guest	Regular
William Tockman			Guest
Royal Flush Gang	Various		Guest
Ray Palmer / Atom			Guest			Regular
Leanard Snart / Captain Cold		The Flash		Guest		Regular
Mick Rory / Heat Wave				Guest		Regular
Dr. Martin Stein				Guest		Regular

^ 1. Recurring for Season 1 of The Arrow

I hid Sara since we don't have conformation that that is who will be played. This looks nicer overall and helps to denote regular vs. guest (the note for Felicity is because she was recurring in the first season and not main).--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 11:23, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ditto51: I like this one more. so we will use this one for the official universe pageThe Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 11:30, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I like this one better than mine too. I removed the line breaks though, as I think it looks better without them. Not sure if that was a browser issue for you, but everything looks even without them for me. I also added Stephen to see how the actor would fit in and changed it to "Series crossovers", since it has "First appearance" already listed. What do you all think?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I undid the first line break as otherwise that column is too large for what is meant to hold.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 12:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Currently, yes. But if "All-Star Team-Up" isn't retitled to something smaller, or becomes something like "The Brave and the Bold", we may want to consider removing the break. :)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:02, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Can we go back to the "Yes/No" labels, and save appearance status for prose? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:34, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93:. Ha, sorry thought I replied to this when you posted it. The table I proposed looks tidier and while it may be better off leaving it to prose, this makes it easier to distinguish between who is a guest and who is a regular (and in which series). Just having he "yes"/"no" thing looks fine for directors but for this having a clear way of saying that Ray Palmer was introduced in Arrow, guest starred in The Flash before becoming a series regular in the spin-off. All of the infomation is in the prose for the main pages and this table allows for quick and easy ways for people to look at which actor has been in which series.--18:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Going back to what is in my Sandbox, what about doing something like here? Where it is on a slider so you have to slide along to see further. (This could be done for a list of actors page like where I got the coding from (the MCU TV actors).--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 18:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't care for that (especially the fact that it will end up taking up the entire screen for just a couple of seasons worth of shows (cannot imagine 4+ seasons for 4+ shows) and I think that goes against Wikipedia's general manual of style (see WP:SCROLL). Pages are supposed to be able to be replicated in print if necessary, and scrolling boxes don't lend themselves to printing. Before WP:NOTPAPER is cited, that is specifically referring to size and content, not structure.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Did not know that that was a thing. I think the table currently hidden on the page will have to do then, with details then listed below,--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 19:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I like the table we created here (whether it's a "yes/no" or a "regular/guest"). I think it's clean, succinct, and not overly complicated. Someone might want to let the people at LoMCUf know about the whole scrolling guide. LOL.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Official Crossover Table

Not sure if the middle column has the right heading there. Anyone else know what to change it to?

I dont understand what you mean! what do you mean with that?? what is wrong with the middle column?? o.O The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 17:04, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

2014-15 season. What would we do for the next lot? Add in a sepeprate table for the next crossover?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 17:15, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Keep adding columns with the television season. IE next season we add 2015-16 season. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Cathy Lotz

When it comes to it, if she is playing a separate character should we put her in the table and then just make her name span two rows with each character or are we just not going to include her if it is a different character?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 12:53, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Let's worry about it when we finally know. Considering the premise of Legends is about Rip Hunter coming back in time to stop a disaster, if I had to guess he's going to be going through different timelines and probably picks up Sara somewhere down the line. We'll know soon enough. The page isn't in the main space anyway, so there really isn't a rush. If she is playing two different characters, then we'll need to have both names listed and a note indicating what happened (though, I doubt that would happen considering how important she was to Arrow).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Constantine and others

Should we add Amell's comments about the potential to cross over with all the series, especially Constantine? I feel like this would be the place for that info. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

What other series are you talking about[/s] I need to look into things more, I think it can be mentioned somewhere in the potential bit, I mean we have Supergirl on there and that is under the same kinda thing, someone says it is a possibility.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 13:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Constantine should be avoided for the time being, because based on Amell's quotes, it was only supposed to be the character crossing over, not the universe. It is properly noted at the Oliver Queen (Arrow) article and Constantine's. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Name change of the "List of Arrowverse actors" wikipedia page

@Favre1fan93: @Ditto51: @Bignole: So, because of the fact that "Arrowverse" is not officially the name of the shared universe we have to change the name of the the actors page. but when we are changing the actors page, we might as well change the shared universe draft name. so I thought that we could add some names and we could choose how to name it:
(1) DC comics' shared TV universe;
(2) The CW shared DC universe;
(3) DC TV shared universe.
these are some names I could think off.The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 17:57, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I feel like we should not change the draft for now, it isn't actually important in anyway shape or form since it isn't in the main space. I think the CW one would be better, just in case CBS or whoever has Supergirl and the Titan show create their own universes. However, I guess the list of actors page probably needs to be changed.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 18:39, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I feel like this is the same case as the DC films page: we have a fan-created name that we want to call it, but probably shouldn't, so a logical description is probably better. I would prefer "The CW shared DC universe", with the knowledge that we may have to change it if we get a crossover from another network. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:28, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

If "The CW" part is going to be there, which may or may not be the best thing, then it should be "The CW's DC Comics TV universe", as "shared" is redundant when you identify it as a universe.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:03, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Mainspace inclusion

can we please put this page in the main space. it just doesnt seam fair for Buffyverse to be included in the main space, even if there are absolutely no references on it from newssites talking about the shared universe or its characteristics (Pointed out by Bignole UP THERE AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE that that is one of the criterias) by anything. compared to the Buffyverse page (which looks like an enciklopedia page), this page is on the same level like the MCU or DCCU page.The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 20:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

It really can't be considered to be on the same level as the MCU or DCCU as they are backed up by reliable sources. However, at this point it is a shared universe with 3 live action shows and an animated show. So I guess it could be moved over (after more opinions however).--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 20:48, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I would be happy for it to be moved to the mainspace, as long as everything is referenced, etc. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

We also have to remember the notability aspect, which I don't believe we have obtained yet. Yes, we have two live action shows, with one coming, one animated coming, and a potential one, but that's about all we have. We don't have much critical commentary or observations regarding the universe and how it is constructed, etc. Once we have some more of that, then I say it can be created. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:31, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Favre on this. Just because all of these shows exist in the same universe does not make the universe itself notable (it doesn't even have an official name right now). There needs to be some commentary on the universe itself.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Then by all means: delete the "DC Comics' shared universe films" page because it doesnt have the official name and delete the "Buffyverse" page, because Buffyverse does not have anywhere "critical commentary or observations regarding the Universe and how it is constructed"The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 05:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Article included in merged mainspace

I published a DC TV Universe article without knowing of this draft. I have since reformed the published one to add the structure and information of this one. Please look at it here before it is deleted - DC Television Shared Universe --Warner REBORN (talk) 19:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

It still does not meet criteria for notability. You have effectively just created a page that redundantly houses information already in other articles, instead of a page that has unique information about the universe (thus establishing notability).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:53, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Cast Order

It seams strange that Felicity is above both Diggle and Laurel in the list when Emily Bett Richards appears lower in the credits and was not a regular for season 1. I get the whole fan thing but surely we should go by official means. Also why is Sara Lance above Cisco and Caitlyn when she hasn't been a regular in any series. I think we need to look at ordering it by means such as alphabetical or time introdruduced.--Warner REBORN (talk) 18:28, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Felicity can be moved. As for Sara, the reason why she is above them is because it goes Regular-Recurring-Guest-No Appearances in the first column, and then each individual group is then sorted by the same creteria for the next group. Because Sara was a Recurring character on Arrow, she appears higher than Caitlyn and Cisco because they simply guest starred.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 18:32, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I think order of appearance or order of placement in credits (i.e. several characters start the pilot together, so their placement in the credits supersedes that).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, obviously within a series that they can be changed, but if they weren't starring then they should stay in the order they are in (other than the Arrow Cast, I think they are already in order like that anyway)--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 21:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Main Space Discussion

I understand there have been many points made either side for and against including this article in the Main Space. There are now 2 television series with another upcoming and an animated series. There are 7-8 articles branching off this one and in the increasingly expanding universe I believe this is needed to clearly present information instead of growing on each individual series article. --Warner REBORN (talk) 20:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

We're in no rush, so why not wait until september/octber and then move it over when Vixen airs?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 21:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

with that logic, why is the DC Comics' shared universe films in the main space???? there is only one movie in the universe. @Warner REBORN: Also hallelujah sir, I am not the only one who wants this page in the main space.The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 22:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I need to clarify something. There are not 7 to 8 articles "branching off this one". They are all independent articles and this page is trying to attach to them. At the moment, the page has accomplished nothing more than copying information from independent articles and putting it here. There is nothing identifying this subject as notable. The notability of its parts does not make the merged topic notable.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:52, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Poroboros, that article is in the main space because there has been a whole chunk of info discussing that universe in third party source (a la its development section). Conversely, there has been hardly any info about this universe, so I am in complete agreement with Bignole on this. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:38, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: then I would like to ask you to go to the page: Buffyverse and please tell me why that page is in the main space and this page is not. please, because I dont get it. The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

(lets hope) final main space discussion

can we please already include this page in the main space??? like jesus christ, I pointed out many many many times in the past that the Buffyverse page is in the main space even if it looks like an enciklopedia page made by a 11 year old and has sources linked to a deleted fan made Wikipedia web page and sources pointing out the episodes and barely any news articles BUT this page is not in the main space?? can someone please explain to me that, because I am feeling like I am taking crazy pills here. Also, the actors page is in the main space, it just seems crazy to have one in the main space but not the other. The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 18:41, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

The actors page is in the mainspace because it was moved out of my userspace premeturely. As for why this isn't in the mainspace and Buffyverse is: The people on these articles are far more into following policy than the people who did the Buffyverse page were. It was also made years ago where the policies were not as strict.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 19:07, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Please see the reasons stated in the discussion above. As for Buffyverse and why that exists, please read WP:OSE. None of these editor (I believe) were involved with that page, so we really can't give you a reason beyond "other stuff exists", which doesn't necessarily make it correct for this to exist yet too. We are in no rush, even though based on the restarting of the discussion, you seem to be. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:08, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, nothing has changed over the past several months. Just because more shows are in existence does not make the universe notable. At best, we're justifying a large nav box and houses them all. Not a page that basically reiterates information from all the pages and creates "new" information by just creating tables that show the connectedness of the series.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:16, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Music

Would anyone object if I created a new section for the music of the series? I already wrote the music sections in the Arrow and The Flash main pages.Oraklebat (talk) 20:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

What would it include? Is there discussion of music for the universe, or are we talking about combining information from the individual pages? If it's the latter, then I would say no because we already have a page that contains too much information that is independent to the different series and not actually related to the universe itself.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Name

Just wanted to share that Guggenheim has referred to the universe as the "Arrowverse" in this behind the scenes video for Vixen. Take it for what you will, but thought I'd share. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:56, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

so one of the main producers and executive producers on Arrow, Flash and Legends of Tomorrow called it Arrowverse. so does this make it official now?? The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 07:30, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

No. You really seem to not get this. We need commentary on the universe, not just rehashing info from the individual series or waiting for anything to be "official". If that doesn't sit well with you, then I suggest you go elsewhere to edit about this, at a fan wikia where they do this all the time. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:41, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE NAME OF THE FRUCKING UNIVERSE?!?!??!Phoenix (talk) 13:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes it makes the name offical (which is why the draft has been renamed to just Arrowverse. However it still can't be a part of the mainspace until we have commentary on the Universe itself, which is what he is referring to. In other words, it doesn't matter if it is offical now, the main Universe page isn't getting moved over just yet.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 13:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Hawkman

The Source that (apparently) confirms him to be a series regular seems to infer that the first appearance will be in Arrow since he said that he first appears in 408. (Arrow's on season 4, Flash is only on Season 2). But then the statement that seems to confirm his series regular status seems a little vague, as in the character will appear regularly, but that doesn't mean necessarily mean series regular does it. Has anyone seen anything else more concrete?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 11:25, 1 September 2015 (UTC)