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Undue weight and statements about regulation of mining

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Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I've just removed the statement, "The Artemis Accords are to include rights to commercial space mining subject only to national rather than multinational regulation." This was not supported by the source, which actually said multinational regulations would not be required for mining. That's very different from implying that the Accords say mining would not be subject to multinational regulations, should such regulations eventually exist. The text of the Accords simply allow mining to occur in the absence of any multinational regulations (which is also a common interpretation of the Outer Space Treaty.)

In addition, I think the Accords section gives undue weight to one single source, by two people in Science magazine's Policy Forum (essentially an opinion piece or long letter to the editors.) Essentially every thing in the Accords section is from that one source. It is also clear from that the authors of this source are advocating against the Accords, so exclusive use of that source a problem when it comes to a neutral point of view. Since the full text of the Accords is available, we ought to include an impartial summary of then. Fcrary (talk) 22:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

I just added a summary of the Accords' terms. Fcrary (talk) 23:44, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Bilateral not multilateral

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Latest comment: 3 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I've just reverted an edit which removed the description of the Artemis Accords being bilateral. Technically, they are a series of bilateral agreements, i.e. one between the US and Australia, another (identical) one between the US and Canada, another between the US and the UK, etc. That sounds odd, but apparently it was considered the most expedient way to let countries join the Accords one at a time. This issue has come up before, so we probably need to add some explanatory text to the article. I'm not sure where to put it. The word "bilateral" is in the lead, so that might be the first place someone sees it and is confused. But it also seems like too much detail for the lead. Fcrary (talk) 17:55, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply


Re-inserted language about the Accords being multilateral. They are one document, signed by multiple countries. Although originally envisioned as bilateral texts, that is not what ultimately occurred. (Anonymous, but with direct knowledge of this subject) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.71.60 (talk) 13:09, 4 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

I've reverted this change (again). There are no sources cited for this claim. Wikipedia article content can not be based an "Anonymous, but with direct knowledge of this subject" claim. Fcrary (talk) 18:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

header image is outdated

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some countries that have signed the treaty do not show up in red in the header image Ultrajante (talk) 20:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

French Guiana

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Latest comment: 8 months ago2 comments1 person in discussion

French Guiana is part of France and should be considered as part of the Accords so red on the map; this is not anecdotical since it is hosting a major launch center in South America.Hektor (talk) 15:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

French Guiana had been added. Now with the new updated map, it is gone again. Why ? Hektor (talk) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Isle of Man

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Latest comment: 6 months ago6 comments2 people in discussion

I am wondering if it is correct that the Isle of Man is mentioned as a separate party or signatory in the accords. Is the participation of the Isle of Man not simply an extension of the participation of the United Kingdom? The source that is given does not actually state that the Isle of Man has signed the accords in its own right. Grioghair (talk) 23:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

The Crown Dependencies are not part of the United Kingdom but are self-governing dependencies of the Crown.
This means they have their own directly elected legislative assemblies, administrative, fiscal and legal systems and courts of law. They are not represented in the United Kingdom Parliament.
The constitutional relationship of the Islands with the United Kingdom is through the Crown and is not enshrined in a formal constitutional document. His Majesty's Government is responsible for the defence and international relations of the Islands. The Crown, acting through the Privy Council, is ultimately responsible for ensuring their good government.
Aspects of the Islands government not subject to Crown Prerogative may be claimed by the Islands or deferred to The Crown. In terms of the Artemis Accords, the Isle of Man Government, through the Office of the Chief Minister has explicitly claimed its prerogative in this matter. 82.19.242.2 (talk) 00:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://www.gov.im/news/2021/jul/27/artemis-accords-to-be-extended-to-the-isle-of-man/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.242.2 (talk) 00:51, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

In recognition of the concerns here raised, I have written to the Cabinet Office of the Isle of Man Government asking for further clarification, which I will post here upon receipt. 82.19.242.2 (talk) 01:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Response from the Isle of Man Cabinet Office on 13th March 2024:
Thank you for your enquiry.
I can confirm that the United Kingdom’s signature of the Artemis Accords was extended to the Isle of Man rather than the Island becoming a signatory to the Accords in its own right. This is in line with normal practice in respect of international instruments as, although the Isle of Man is internally self-governing, the United Kingdom is constitutionally responsible for the Island’s international relations.
Kind regards
Anne
Anne Shimmin
External Relations Manager – Policy and Legislation
Cabinet Office, Isle of Man Government, Government Office, Bucks Road, Douglas, ISLE OF MAN IM1 3PN 82.19.242.2 (talk) 10:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
So this would mean that the Isle of Man is itself not a party in the Artemis Accords. It should not be reflected as such in the List of parties. Maybe a comment could be added the the UK row which states that Artemis Accords is also extended to the Isle of Man. Also, in the text the sentence ".. the Isle of Man have signed the accords.." is clearly wrong.
Btw, the map currently shows that every dependency of the signatory states is part of the Artemis Accord. Also for Guernsey and Jersey, for example. Is this correct? If so, why do we make a distinction for Isle of Man? Grioghair (talk) 21:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Shouldn’t Angola be colored in

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Latest comment: 10 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Since Angola signed the Accords shouldnt it be colored in on the map? I don’t know how to do it Kypickle (talk) 14:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Use a NASA image?

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Latest comment: 8 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The image at https://twitter.com/NASAArtemis/status/1756071218430562391/photo/1 should be in the public domain as it is a work of NASA. Adding it to the article would be a visual improvement. (— 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 02:18, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

List of Parties

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Does anyone have any thoughts/opposition to cleaning up the History section and adding this list of parties as an additional section? This would also help clean up the Infobox parties string of countries, which could instead just list the total number of countries signed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosswi88 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Would be an improvement. I'm not sure if the Official signing column with all the names is really necessary, though. Grioghair (talk) 20:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
State Signed Official signing
  Australia 13 Oct 2020 Dr. Megan Clark, Head of the Australian Space Agency [1]
  Canada 13 Oct 2020 Lisa Campbell, president of the Canadian Space Agency [2]
  Italy 13 Oct 2020 Riccardo Fraccaro, Undersecretary of State at the Presidency of the Italian Council of Ministers [3]
  Japan 13 Oct 2020 Hagiuda Koichi, Minister of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology and Inoue Shinji, Minister of State for Space Policy [4]
  Luxembourg 13 Oct 2020 Franz Fayot, Minister of the Economy [5]
  United Arab Emirates 13 Oct 2020 Sarah Al Amiri, Minister for Advanced Technology and Chair of the United Arab Emirates Space Agency [6]
  United Kingdom 13 Oct 2020 Dr. Graham Turnock, Chief Executive of the UK Space Agency [7]
  United States 13 Oct 2020 James Bridenstine, NASA Administrator
  Ukraine 12 Nov 2020 [8]
  South Korea 24 May 2021 Lim Hyesook, Minister of Science and ICT [9]
  New Zealand 31 May 2021 Peter Crabtree, New Zealand Space Agency [10]
  Brazil 15 Jun 2021 Marcos Pontes, Minister of Science, Technology, and Innovation [11]
  Poland 26 Oct 2021 Grzegorz Wrochna, president of Polish Space Agency (POLSA) [12]
  Mexico 9 Dec 2021 Marcelo Ebrard Casaubon, Secretary of Foreign Affairs [13]
  Israel 26 Jan 2022 Uri Oron, Director General of the Israel Space Agency [14]
  Romania 1 Mar 2022 Marius-Ioan Piso, president and CEO of the Romanian Space Agency [15]
  Bahrain 2 Mar 2022 Dr. Mohamed Al Aseeri, CEO of National Space Science Agency (NSSA) [16]
  Singapore 28 Mar 2022 Gan Kim Yong, Minister for Trade and Industry [17]
  Colombia 10 May 2022 Marta Lucía Ramírez, Vice President and Foreign Minister [18]
  France 7 Jun 2022 Philippe Baptiste, president of the Centre National d’Etudes Spatiales (CNES) [19]
  Saudi Arabia 14 Jul 2022 Mohammed bin Saud Al-Tamimi, CEO of the Saudi Space Commission [20]
  Nigeria 13 Dec 2022 Isa Ali Ibrahim, Minister of Communications and Digital Economy [21]
  Rwanda 13 Dec 2022 Francis Ngabo, CEO of Rwanda Space Agency [22]
  Czech Republic 3 May 2023 Jan Lipavský, Minister of Foreign Affairs [23]
  Spain 30 May 2023 Diana Morant, Minister of Science and Innovation [24]
  Ecuador 21 Jun 2023 Gustavo Manrique Miranda, Minister of Foreign Affairs [25]
  India 22 Jun 2023 Taranjit Singh Sandhu, Ambassador of India to the United States [26]
  Argentina 27 Jul 2023 Daniel Filmus, Minister of Science, Technology, and Innovation [27]
  Germany 14 Sep 2023 Dr. Walther Pelzer, Director General of the German Space Agency at DLR [28]
  Iceland Oct 2023 [29]
  Netherlands 1 Nov 2023 Harm van de Wetering, Director of Netherlands Space Office (NSO) [29]
  Bulgaria 9 Nov 2023 Milena Stoycheva, Minister of Innovation and Growth [30]
  Angola 30 Nov 2023 [31]
  Belgium 23 Jan 2024 Hadja Lahbib, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belgium [32]
  Greece 9 Feb 2024 Giorgos Gerapetritis, Minister of Foreign Affairs [33]

References

  1. ^ "Australia signs NASA's Artemis Accords". Australian Department of Industry, Science and Resources. 2020-10-14.
  2. ^ "Signing of the Artemis Accords". Government of Canada. 2020-10-13.
  3. ^ "International Partners Advance Cooperation With First Signings of the Artemis Accords". Italian Space Agency. 2020-10-13.
  4. ^ "Eight nations sign Artemis Accords on Space Exploration". Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology. 2020-10-13.
  5. ^ "Minister of the Economy Franz Fayot signs the Artemis Accords on behalf of Luxembourg at the International Aeronautical Congress". Luxembourg Space Agency. 2020-10-13.
  6. ^ "United Arab Emirates Accedes to Artemis Accords". PRNewswire. 2020-10-13.
  7. ^ "UK and NASA sign international agreement ahead of mission to the Moon". GOV.UK. 2020-10-13.
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  13. ^ Foust, Jeff (10 December 2021). "Mexico joins Artemis Accords". SpaceNews. Retrieved 10 December 2021.
  14. ^ "Israel Signs Artemis Accords". NASA. 2022-01-27.
  15. ^ "Romania Signs Artemis Accords". NASA. 1 March 2022.
  16. ^ "Bahrain Signs Artemis Accords". NASA. 8 March 2022. Retrieved 8 March 2022.
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  23. ^ McGuinness, Jackie; Bardan, Roxana (2023-05-03). O'Shea, Claire (ed.). "NASA Welcomes Czech Foreign Minister for Artemis Accords Signing". NASA. Retrieved 2023-05-13.
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  25. ^ O’Shea, Claire (2023-06-21). "NASA Welcomes Ecuador as 26th Artemis Accords Signatory". NASA.
  26. ^ O’Shea, Claire (2023-06-23). "NASA Welcomes India as 27th Artemis Accords Signatory". NASA. Retrieved 2023-07-07.
  27. ^ Bardan, Roxana (2023-07-27). "NASA Welcomes Argentina as Newest Artemis Accords Signatory". NASA.
  28. ^ "NASA Welcomes Germany as Newest Artemis Accords Signatory". NASA. 2023-09-15.
  29. ^ a b Bardan, Roxana (2023-11-01). "NASA Welcomes Netherlands as Newest Artemis Accords Signatory". NASA.
  30. ^ Donaldson, Abbey (2023-11-09). "Bulgaria Signs Artemis Accords at NASA Headquarters; Joins 31 Nations". NASA.
  31. ^ Bardan, Roxana (2023-12-01). "NASA Welcomes Angola as Newest Artemis Accords Signatory". NASA.
  32. ^ Bardan, Roxana (2024-01-24). "NASA Welcomes Belgium as Newest Artemis Accords Signatory". NASA.
  33. ^ Bardan, Roxana (2024-02-09). "NASA Welcomes Greece as Newest Artemis Accords Signatory". NASA.
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