Talk:Askal/Archive 1

Archive 1

is this a breed?

Was/is there ever such a thing as a real Philippine dog breed? Uthanc (talk) 08:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

I have two pics in my talkpage. They are askals but I don't know if they are illustrative enough. Contact me there if you want to get the pics.--Lenticel ^(talk) 09:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Not encylopedic

There are unnecessary texts, like emotional words (like "Sadly") and and unsubstantiated lines ("Askals are loving and loyal dogs"). There are also "..." which indicate lost in thoughts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.57.37.244 (talk) 12:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

WHAT?

How can a mix breed, a/k/a a MUTT be a pedigree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.243.69 (talk) 00:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Missed-Redirection

Why the keyword search "Azkals" or "Azkal" sometimes redirected in this article? The word "askal" stands an animal breed from the Philippines and the other one is for the Philippines National Team? see this link and this §

Someone is hell bent redirecting on redirecting Azkals to this article. –HTD 04:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

about image

I recently replace the image of the Aspin (Dog) from a dirty looking -morgel to clean and nice looking picture for the proper recognition thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philipandrew (talk • contribs) 07:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but there are a few problems. First, the dog is not positioned in the "stacked" way so that we can get a good idea of it's morphology. Second, it's a puppy, and puppies of many breeds and landraces tend to look alike; they lack the distinctive features of the adult. Third, it's very idealized, as opposed to "naturalistic", and therefore maybe not representative of most such dogs. The other picture was in an environment and condition that seem more typical.

I think we can use this picture in the "appearance" section, but let's please restore the main photo. Chrisrus (talk) 18:22, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Name

Shouldn't this article be named Aspin instead of Askal? Askal is the common name of the dog breed but it is now officially called Aspin. Carl Francis (talk) 12:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Nobody calls it "Aspin" now. Maybe in like 20 years. –HTD 04:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Well I am arriving at this article because I heard the word 'Aspin'used by many, but I guess 2012 is 20 years after 2011.

Nevertheless the article is very unclear: "Askals are loyal and loving dogs" how can that be so general if it is not one specific breed, but basically a bastard dog that could gebneticalle be far from another Aspin/Askal 19-5-2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geo2011 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I never heard of the dog referred to as "Aspin". "Askal" yes but not "Aspin". I think that "Askal" is in keeping with WP:CommonName. Two of the references use Askal in their headlines while none use Aspin. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 00:33, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree moving back to askal.

User:Chrisrus moved the page last year. User:Philipandrew moved it to its current name. No consultation was done in either events. Consensus here three years past and now, and at WT:TAMBAY#Aspin (Dog) shows that askal should be the name of the page. Will request for an admin page move shortly. Done 舎利弗 (talk) 01:54, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I have just moved it to Askal as per this consensus. Chrisrus (talk) 02:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I reverted your actions. Please wait for an admin to delete to target page so that the history page of this article can be properly transferred. Copy-pasting won't do per WP:MOVE. 舎利弗 (talk) 02:52, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, this is not the usual way to do this. Most such articles have names such as Street dogs in Bangkok, Street dogs in Bucharest, and so on. An exception is Sato (dog), and it might be interesting to think about why it's not called Street dogs of Puerto Rico. Anyway, might it be even better to move this article to Street dogs in the Philippines? Chrisrus (talk) 03:11, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I think it's because those articles discuss street dogs in general while Sato and Askal are particular types of dogs. 舎利弗 (talk) 03:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I can see where you might think that about the article Sato (dog). If you read it carefully, however, there's not much evidence of that.

Turning to this article, it is not always so 100% clear what exactly its referent is. At certain points, it seems to be referring to a specific landrace, or naturally selected "breed", which is native to at least some of the islands, not unlike the Indian pariah dog. At other points, it might be referring to the phenomenon of street dogs, or even free-ranging dogs, of the Philippines, in general, regardless of whether the animals are native or mixed in with dogs of foreign origin. Chrisrus (talk) 05:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I will not pretend to know anything about dog breeds. What I can only vouch for is that askal is way more common than aspin. I have no strong opinions toward renaming it to the article name you are suggesting. 舎利弗 (talk) 05:48, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Proper

I see that teirs an change here but i find it accurate for it s 'Natural' portmanteau name also i want to change the Harsh name such as Street dogs in______" because it become more proper to call it in the Native or portmanteau names of it so it become more Encyclopedic and it is more natural.P.Andrew (talk) 11:17, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

I see you moved the page to Askal (dog). I will request an admin to undo your action immediately. Please consult other users first before moving pages. Askal in particular didn't need clarification because there's no other article with the same page name. 舎利弗 (talk) 03:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Move?

Shouldn't we move this to Street dogs in the Philippians? That's how we do most of them in this category, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Street_dogs Chrisrus (talk) 18:20, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I dont see any value in "consistency" over "specificity". Yes, many other cultures do not have specific terminology for their street dogs, but this culture does. I would say however, that my searching for sources leads me to believe that the current most commonly used terminology appears to be Aspin and that a move there or asong pinoy would be appropriate per WP:COMMONNAME. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:55, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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I've moved the page and removed some content that suffered from bad English, OR, poor sources etc. Sennen Goroshi ! (talk) 09:11, 26 July 2019 (UTC)